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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

Hi there. I'm new here. I've searched the net for answers on this, but most posts seem to be old and I know there is new gear, so I'm going to ask now.

 

I bought some Åsnes Nansen skis and I'm looking to buy some releasable bindings for them so I minimize the chance of being injured. I was originally planning to get Voile 3-pin cable bindings before I decided I wanted releasable. It seemed to me that the best two options were the Voile 3-pin cable bindings with the Voile release kit, or the Telebry release kit. I'm not sure what to get and I don't know if there is a better option apart from the two. 

 

Can someone give me some advice or tell me what I should be thinking about\considering?

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 19

Can't help you... maybe better asked over at Telemarktips.com?

post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 

Ahh, i've been trying, but they won't verify my account and it's really pissing me off!

post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by joolyen View Post

Hi there. I'm new here. I've searched the net for answers on this, but most posts seem to be old and I know there is new gear, so I'm going to ask now.

 

I bought some Åsnes Nansen skis and I'm looking to buy some releasable bindings for them so I minimize the chance of being injured. I was originally planning to get Voile 3-pin cable bindings before I decided I wanted releasable. It seemed to me that the best two options were the Voile 3-pin cable bindings with the Voile release kit, or the Telebry release kit. I'm not sure what to get and I don't know if there is a better option apart from the two. 

 

Can someone give me some advice or tell me what I should be thinking about\considering?

 

Thanks!

 

I've had good luck with the Voile Hardwire 3-pin releaseables.  Unfortunately they have discontinued these. http://www.voile.com/voile-discontinued-products/voile-hardwire-3-pin-crb-binding.html

 

These still show up on eBay. (Or call Voile and see if they can dig some up for you.  Their customer service is top-notch.)

 

You can still pick up the release kit and mount any 3 pin binding on it.  http://www.voile.com/voile-discontinued-products/voile-release-kit.html

 

I have no experience with the Telebry but people have good things to say about them too.

 

I would still search Telemark Tips for opinions on both bindings.(Mitch, the owner of the site, is missing in action so I'm not surprised you can't get registered)

 

Good luck!

post #5 of 19

Just curious, but what type of injury are you worried about? 

 

(DItto on contacting Voile...)

post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 

Alright, I'll give it a shot with Voile. I'm worried about any leg injuries...ankles, knees mostly.

post #7 of 19

Åsnes Nansen - that's pretty light duty gear.    Which boots will you be using?

post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 

I'll be using some gray with yellow laces 'super telemark' boots that I found at a 2nd hand store. I believe they're Crispi if I'm reading the faded tag correctly. I realize it's light duty, but I still don't want to wrench my knees.

post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by joolyen View Post

 I realize it's light duty, but I still don't want to wrench my knees.

 

Sure, no doubt.    

 

My point was rather that you also want to keep the whole kit lightweight and reasonably mobile; over-booting it or over-binding it would just make the whole experience into a painful slog.

post #10 of 19

I'm only an occasional xc skier, but aren't the 3 pin bindings obsolete? I know my Salomon binding that clamps on to the bar in the end of the boot, puts the pivot point farther ahead and thus works better than my old 3 pin system.

 

IMO the reason it is so difficult to find a releasing xc binding is that they are not needed or in demand due to lower angled slopes and slower speeds when compared to alpine skiing. Also with a free heel it is far less likely to injure a knee in a fall.

post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 

I'm not sure... I'm just a newbie. But that is somewhat comforting to hear injuries are less likely with a free heel. Thanks for your help so far guys.

post #12 of 19

I Tele and use the Telebry setup w/ Hammerhead bindings............. my boots are also Crispi brand ............ they are the only Tele boots that fit me well................ The Telebry setup is bulletproof and relatively light................ I've used them for a couple of years on different setups and they work flawlessly. My original plan was to give up Tele because I wanted releasable Hammerheads ( East Coast setting #4 perfect for Alpine skier learning to Tele) and 22 Designs had NO plans to make a releasable version but alas I found Telebry and lose the annoying ski clips as Telebry includes ski brakes and it all works like a charm............. order extra mounting plates and mount them to different skis and you have a setup that you can transfer to multiple sets of skis............ it's an amazing system and has not broken apart despite much abuse..........

 

The Din system on the Telebry's does not exactly equate to the alpine system but it's a good starting point............. use the charts provided w/ the Telebry system. Also careful w/ the heel mount as the screw seems to come a bit long and tends (only on the heel) to slightly dimple the bottoms of your skis if you tighten them down to max....... not a big deal really............. just tell your shop to be really careful w/ the heel mount and you should be fine..........

post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

I'm only an occasional xc skier, but aren't the 3 pin bindings obsolete?

 

75mm 3-pin  bindings are only obsolete for in-track use.        Both 75mm 3pin and 75mm cable bindings offer more stability, more edging control than system bindings for out-of-track use.      As a further advantage, a 75mm binding and burly boot combination is often lighter than a BC system binding and burly boot combination.

 

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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

I know my Salomon binding that clamps on to the bar in the end of the boot, puts the pivot point farther ahead and thus works better than my old 3 pin system.

 

For covering flat ground, that's a great system.     

 

 

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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

IMO the reason it is so difficult to find a releasing xc binding is that they are not needed or in demand due to lower angled slopes and slower speeds when compared to alpine skiing.

 

Injuries happen at slowish speeds just fine, including knee twists.     Injuries can happen at self-powered speeds.   Nordic self-powered speeds are much higher than alpine self-powered speeds.

 

Higher speeds also occur.   Depending on the layout of the place where the OP chooses to ski, one can /easily/ reach speeds similar to what beginners on alpine gear reach.    It is a commonplace to find nordic trails laid out on terrain that would be green or sometimes even strong blue in alpine terms.    

 

Examples:

http://www.crosscountryskinh.com/fullmap.html  - Mt. Washington Valley

http://whitegrass.com/downloads%202011/Chip-WG-B-W%20topo-layers-1-13-2011-key-greyscaleLG.jpg - Whitegrass WVa

http://www.pleinairsutton.com/images/images/suttonenhaut/carte%20ski%20pour%20impressison%208.5%20x%2011.pdf - Mt. Sutton, QC

http://www.breckenridgenordic.com/trail_maps.php - Breckenridge nordic

http://www.skisolitude.com/downloads/nordic_trail_map.pdf  - Solitude Utah

 

IMO, the reason it is so difficult to find releasing XC bindings is because most current solutions are so heavy that nordic skiers would rather incur the risk than slog around with extra weight all the time, and because system XC boots /can/ actually be ripped out of system XC bindings with comparatively-low levels of force.

 

Oh, and, it has been known to put BC system bindings on  Voile release plates.

post #14 of 19
Thread Starter 

Great discussion guys. It's helped me to decide to order the release kit from Voile. They still have them in stock apparently. Hope it works out well, and I'm confident that it will.

One more question if you happen to know... can the release plate be mounted after the holes for the 3-pin cable binding have already been drilled, without drilling any more holes? Say for example that I wanted to try the skis with 3-pin binding and without release kit for a while, but later decided to mount the release kit and didn't want to drill more holes.

 

Thank you!

post #15 of 19

Be sure to wear a full face helmet toosmile.gif

 

 

Do you have issues with your knees? In 40 years of skiing XC off track I've never hurt my knees. Wrist-yes, Thumb-Yes, Hip-yes, Face, well, see for yourself. XC boots are not as rigidly attached as Alpine boots to your feet/legs. You can twist almost 180 degrees and be Ok. At least that's what I have experienced.

post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by joolyen View Post

Great discussion guys. It's helped me to decide to order the release kit from Voile. They still have them in stock apparently. Hope it works out well, and I'm confident that it will.

One more question if you happen to know... can the release plate be mounted after the holes for the 3-pin cable binding have already been drilled, without drilling any more holes? Say for example that I wanted to try the skis with 3-pin binding and without release kit for a while, but later decided to mount the release kit and didn't want to drill more holes.

 

 

 

Thank you!

 

 

The Voile release kit uses a standard 4 hole pattern, so you would have to redrill if you mounted a 3-pin first.  You could always use a Voile riser plate which uses the same 4 hole pattern to mount your 3-pins.

http://www.voile.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=voile&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=voile-v-riser-20mm-30mm

 

 

The release kit won't add "much" weight to your setup and will provide a level of safety should you end up off groomed trails.  My wife actually tore her ACL on cross country skis, coming down a gnarly little hiking trail, so you never know. 

 

Having said that, we still use 3-pins mounted directly to the ski if we are staying on fairly flat terrain and really don't even think twice about it. 

 

Be careful though, if you start buying this 3-pin gear.  It could lead you to the dark side of Telemark Skiing.  Pretty soon you'll be buying beefy plastic boots and burly bindings.  A slippery slope indeed!

post #17 of 19
Thread Starter 

I see. So would I have to redrill all 4 holes, or just add one extra? I know it seems like a silly question, but due to the logistics of shipping and timing, I need to know this.

 

The 3-pin cable binding screws in with a screwdriver into the holes on the top of the release kit?

post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by joolyen View Post

I see. So would I have to redrill all 4 holes, or just add one extra? I know it seems like a silly question, but due to the logistics of shipping and timing, I need to know this.

 

Correct. The 3-pin holes would fall in between the 4-hole pattern.

1000

 

 

 

 

The 3-pin cable binding screws in with a screwdriver into the holes on the top of the release kit?

 

Also correct

1000

 

 

post #19 of 19

I happened upon some skis for sale with Riva cable bindings and Voile Releasable plates & elevators, and skins, all for $100. Although it's been a pretty poor snow season with not a lot of opportunity for XC, (in easily accessible terrain, anyway), I was thinking about trying to snag these for future use...

 

 

The sale post included a link to this interesting page...

 

http://maceachain.blogspot.com/2010/01/voile-nordic-release-plates.html

 

Skis are nothing special, but I have plenty of options there. Good deal otherwise?

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