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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Hi,
 
I'm getting new skis for my daughter this winter.  She'll be able to demo some this winter break.  She's looking for a 1-ski solution: she's 16, athletic, 5'9", 145#.  She's an agressive skier, likes to go fast on the groomers but wants to get better at bumps.  Loves to venture into the trees and deep stuff.  She tried some S3 168's last year and generally liked them but all of our skiing was on crummy snow.
 
Some skis I think would work for her:
 
S3 - She may need longer than the longest they offer
Line Celebrity 90 - ditto
K2 MissDemenor or MissBehaved
Blizard Samaba or Dakota
Nordica Nemasis
 
Any recommendations?  Am I off base in thinking she would be better served by longer than 168cm skis?
 
Thanks,
 
-K
post #2 of 11

You said she liked the 168. Why do you think she needs longer? If the ski had a shortcoming, you haven't mentioned what it is. If she wants to work on improving in bumps, that's a reasonable model and size.

 

If for whatever reason she does want longer, the unisex S3 comes longer. Her size is relatively equivalent to a smallish male hence the need for a "womens" ski may be somewhat negated. IAC, most of the skis on your list are reasonable choices except probably the Dakota which would be a handful in bumps and the Celeb 90 which would probably be too soft.

 

SJ

post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 

The only shortcoming is that is the only ski she's tried.  Perhaps we stumbled across the perfect fit, but I'd like her to have the opportunity to try some others.

 

RE length: 168 is on the short end of recommended lengths for rockered skis for her height...  Although that may help her get more comfortable in the bumps.

 

-K 

post #4 of 11

If she demoed a ski and liked it, and can't identify any of potential improvement, then it sorta seems like you have struck oil and you oughta quit drilling and buy the danged thing. OTH, if she demoed skis, liked 'em, but you don't want to believe the results, then it seems to me that you have two paths to choose. #1, ask a bunch of complete strangers what she will like better than what she tried (which she liked), and then buy off of that. Or.......continue to test to see if she can find something better. If you choose #2 that's fine, there are plenty of alternative choices.

 

It does seem to me however, that you are over thinking this choice (which is not rocket science in the first place)

 

SJ

post #5 of 11

kkcsm: Welcome to EpicSki!  Where do you and your daughter usually ski?  Where are you going to have you demo during winter break?  How many years has she been skiing?  It's not clear whether you are in a hurry to buy new skis or just asking for recommendations for a personal demo day on your next trip out west.  Since length is a question, when she does a demo day you might as well have her try different lengths.  I learn a lot trying something that is a bit too long or too short when getting something from a demo tent.

 

Take a look at the Tags (right side of Post #1).  Scroll down to find related EpicSki threads.  I added the Blizzard Black Pearl and Bushwacker because that's a case where they are the same ski with different graphics.  They are fun but perhaps too narrow for what you are looking for.

post #6 of 11

I'm in agreement with SierraJim on this. (its not rockered science) 

A lot of what you're looking for is perfection from a recommended spread sheet, when the reality is that a skier's style and ability make a lot of difference.  Another factor is that she's 16 which means that her muscles are still developing and her knees may like a bit shorter length.

  

You have some other skis on the list that piqued my interest by comparison with the K2's and Blizzards, especially if you're looking for a 1 ski solution. 

 

 

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K2 MissDemenor or MissBehaved
Blizard Samaba or Dakota

 

The first in these lists are a better 1 ski solution, for the most part, while the #2 option for both of these may be great but will have to be worked harder which she may not want to do, day in and day out. 

 

The K2 MissDemeanor is likely to be more park biased all mountain for her with a playful tenacity, while the Samba is a daily driver that will be easy for her to play on but will also reward in a big way if she skis it well. 

post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

the reality is that a skier's style and ability make a lot of difference.  

 

+1000

 

When I demoed skis last year I tried Line Prophet 90, Blizzard Bushwacker and Nordica Steadfast.  To me the P90 felt heavy and slow, the Bushwacker just didn't do anything that made me excited.  The Steadfast was like a grand slam homerun.  Everything I wanted it to do it did without hesitation and it was, and still is, just plain fun.  Other people on here love the P90 and the Bushwacker has a huge fan club, but the Steadfast fits the way I ski better than any ski I've ever owned.

post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

It does seem to me however, that you are over thinking this choice (which is not rocket science in the first place)

 

I don't think I'm over thinking.  My goal is to narrow the universe of skis to a number that she can realistically try and base a decision on.  Based on recommendations here I intend to call around to find a shop that will be able to help her make the final decision.  Last year she demoed the S3s from a shop that basically had only that ski.  We weren't looking to buy at that time, just something nice to ski on for the week.  But this year since we are looking to buy I want to ensure, in advance, that I can find a shop that will have more than one option for her to try.

 

Marznc, we ski Colorado almost exclusively.  We'll be in Steamboat over her Christmas break.  Thanks for the Blizzard links.

 

Trekchick, thanks for the info on the K2s and Blizzards.  The Samba in particular seems very highly regarded.

 

-K

post #9 of 11

Since you are considering other skis, I'd recommend she try the Nordica Hell's Belles, basically a woman's version of the Steadfast, 90mm underfoot, camber, early rise tip, lightweight and great edge grip.  The Steadfast is my daily driver, light, responsive and a lot of fun whether I'm in the trees, steep chutes, bumps or groomers.  Nordica is making some of the best skis you never heard of.

post #10 of 11
Not overthinking at all. Although it's not "rockered" science (rolleyes.gif) you might as well try to narrow the list. My experience was that demoing was a bit overwhelming because sometimes even the most helpful rental staff know relatively little about womens' skis and which ones are substantially different than their unisex counterparts, most of which are made to match a man's general characteristics but can sometimes be perfect for some women. If you can find a woman behind the rental counter, latch onto her and don't let go unless someone else is knowledgeable.

It helped when I found women's ski reviews here and on theskidiva.com. If I need suggestions again, I'll also google "epicski women's skis" and "theskidiva women's skis" to find helpful information that's posted in odd places.

I also recommend doing the nerdy thing and keeping notes of what she likes or doesn't like about each ski. I tended to mix up my demos by the end of the day if I didn't write down some reminders. And be sure to come back and share her results in order to help the next person with the same question!
post #11 of 11
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Originally Posted by kkcsm View Post

 

I don't think I'm over thinking.  My goal is to narrow the universe of skis to a number that she can realistically try and base a decision on.  Based on recommendations here I intend to call around to find a shop that will be able to help her make the final decision.  Last year she demoed the S3s from a shop that basically had only that ski.  We weren't looking to buy at that time, just something nice to ski on for the week.  But this year since we are looking to buy I want to ensure, in advance, that I can find a shop that will have more than one option for her to try.

 

Marznc, we ski Colorado almost exclusively.  We'll be in Steamboat over her Christmas break.  Thanks for the Blizzard links.

 

Trekchick, thanks for the info on the K2s and Blizzards.  The Samba in particular seems very highly regarded.

 

-K

I don't think Sierra Jim was diminishing your thought process.  More to the point, he was saying, "if it seemed right to her in 168, then don't overthink the numbers too much"  I tend to agree with that, mostly because size can be a personal preference as much as it can be a correct number on a spread sheet.  

I tagged a few more skis that are being discussed here, including the one Mtcyclist posted about,  The Hells Belles is a great option too. 

 

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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

Since you are considering other skis, I'd recommend she try the Nordica Hell's Belles, basically a woman's version of the Steadfast, 90mm underfoot, camber, early rise tip, lightweight and great edge grip.  The Steadfast is my daily driver, light, responsive and a lot of fun whether I'm in the trees, steep chutes, bumps or groomers.  Nordica is making some of the best skis you never heard of.

I let that one slip my mind.  That's a nice one too!

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