Hi jc-ski, good decision to cross-train on inlines. I've been doing tons of training on inlines during the past two off-seasons with Canada's only skate-to-ski examiner (He's also a CSIA level 3). It's made a massive difference in my readiness to take the level 3. There's a 90% overlap between skiing and skate-to-ski, which diminishes but remains present when people just do recreational inline skating. Hopefully I can add some value here.
Originally Posted by jc-ski
Did some inline skating in the off season, and I've experienced something turning on skates that's made me wonder about turning on skis. Will preface this by saying I'm not a very good/advanced skater - still learning, just getting into road skating, and still cautious about skating "steeps". Some people can skid on inlines, even do hockey stops. I can't nor do I try to - I'm on rolling on edge in some fashion, braking if/when I need to.
Anyway, skating down a moderate slope with a little speed, attempting to "carve" turns - no wedge or crossover in this context - skates parallel. This is what I've found...
- In order to balance as I turn I have to angulate, and in order to angulate I have inside skate (tip) lead - happens naturally
- At transition I find myself actively pushing the outside skate forward as I "topple" into new turn
- Old outside skate becomes new inside skate with tip lead as turn progresses
I suspect none of the above is relevatory to anyone, but it was to me, as on skis I know I skid (cheat) some even when I'm trying to carve. However on skates I can't skid, I have to have a clean roll or I'm probably gonna go down, so I've been forced to do what's necessary to make the turns. And that has led to that pronounced leg movement to support the movement of my body during the transition - not something I thought to do so much as something that just happens naturally to enable me to make the turn.
Back to skiing, from above on a chairlift I've sometimes watched high school or masters racers skiing, and I've always noticed their very active leg movements as they've made their crisp carved turns on groomed slopes. My question is with skiing is this leg movement typically active - is it how the turn is initiated? Or is it more of a by product of the turn?
If it is an active move is it typical to push the outside ski forward, as opposed to pulling the inside ski back? I know the legs are moving relative to each other, but I've felt it more of the outside moving forward.
Hope this makes sense - trying to learn/understand - thanks for your patience and feedback.
Tip lead isn't required for inlines. You can do so, but it doesn't help your transition to skiing. Generally when inside tip lead when inline skating downhill indicates the skater's balance is uphill, or seeking fore-aft stability, or overedging one skate (and not the other skate), or artificially counter-rotating.
Think of your inlines as the entire binding platform on a set of slalom race skis. From there, move the platform as a singular mobile unit.
There are a few urgent safety concerns for inline skaters doing skate-to-ski:
Use a skier arm position. think of driving the elbows down towards the ground if you feel unstable.
Start your runs from a flexed position. Doing so puts you in a stable position and ready to extend laterally rather than popping upward.
Steer both skates throughout each turn. Make sure you're matching edge angles throughout the turn. Get a friend to video tape you, or set up a camera.
Create power by scribing through both heels in each turn. You'll need to start really flexed to have space to extend laterally. A good intermediate skater can create wheel roar after the fall line. I'm working on it from the transition. Only attempt this move if your hand position is far forward enough to counterbalance. Also, you can scribe through your heels on flats. Better to start there.
Flatter pitches will feel contrived if you're trying to achieve high edge angles or complete turns, which may manifest in many ways.
You have a lot less fore-aft play available on inlines than on skis, so "driving the tips" at initiation becomes impractical on inlines. (Just something to consider redeveloping when you transition back to skis.) Skating down a hill is significantly harder than skiing down an equal pitch hill, so it's appropriate to start to train on flatter pitches on skates.
Use poles and put rubber caps on the end - maybe you're doing so already. Leave the straps off.
Hopefully the above isn't overwhelming (though it probably is). I'd suggest combining your practice with coaching from a skate-to-ski instructor, but there are so few of them you might have trouble finding one!