Originally Posted by litterbug
To be more clear, it's the primal feces-throwing chest beating STFU if you're not me that's so male. Or unwelcoming, or at least off-putting.
I actually take issue with this-- and find this language perfectly anathema to creating a community where men and women (and whatever other sub-groups of skiers) feel welcome and find the answers satisfying. As I feel about the earlier comments regarding "over testosteron-ed" arguments, and one upsmanship, and dick swinging...
In fact, these are all EXACTLY the sorts of false-universal gender references that put men and women in silly 1950s boxes. For each of these so-called male characteristics, there are just as offensive so-called female characteristics (let's approximate: timidity, working together, nurturing). To ascribe heated arguments-- even juvenile ones-- to being male is to say that all the bullshit references about women being cuddly, caring, nurturing, soft, fluffy princesses are equally true. But THESE are the social constructs.
To in one breath equate welcoming/satisfying for women with a set of ideals that are in fact based on false/socially constructed gender-specific characteristics is, well, somewhere (for me) on the Venn diagram in the overlapping circles of offensive and hypocritical.
That's what I find interesting about this entire thread. It's like a call to arms to make sure this place is good for everyone... but that call is based on propagating the same tired, old, stereotypes that scholars, activists, and laypeople have been trying to move away from in the first place. It's that sophomoric step of learning about how socially constructed ideas of heterosexual maleness has for centuries defined what is considered "normal" in Western society-- and than ignoring the lesson that these are socially constructed ideas, and in fact women can be loud, swaggering one uppers just as regularly as men can be timid, quiet, nurturers.
Does this place have a male normative bent? Sure, and that will only change as more women participate. Same goes with the sport as a whole. But I wouldn't expect this to track with "less aggressive" and other pseudo-male characteristics-- because women compete just as voraciously as men. They argue just as loud and directly. And men enjoy their constructive team-building and problem solving and nurturing and caring.
As for VJJ as a name, not the thread here-- a bit of a side-issue-- I don't think that's a male-centric naming scheme. It's a term you hear among girls and women far more often than from men. And I'd suggest it's a term that comes out of a younger generation of women saying, essentially: We can talk about our vaginas, or sexuality, etc, just like boys and men do. Because talking about sexuality, even aggressively, even in a sometimes objective way, is not a landscape only available to men.
I'm not a longtime member here. And I'm all for having a place that's not as juvenile as other forums-- or as overtly aggressive. But this has nothing to do with gender/sex, and everything to do with the kind of community that Epic seems to bill itself as (and the niche it wants to fill). I'm also fine with super friendly forums where noobs are hand-held, and forums where there's essentially a degree of hazing for new folks. I can participate in those forums as or as little as I like.