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Dynastar Outland 87 Mounting Point

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

I picked up some new Dynastar Outland 87's in a 178cm and after reading through the following post, I am a bit concerned about where to mount them.  I will be using them at Sugarbush as my every day ski in the woods, bumps and front side.

 

 

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To add to SJ's point, I skied the "other" new Dynastar, the Outland 87 all day today and I found one thing out..they are mounted too far forward out of the box. When I was talking to another DynaGuy at SIA about the Outlands, we noticed that the Outland 87 had the binding a bit more forward than the other models in the series. He had noticed that and said when skiing them, use the 8 from the 178 as the center point, not the one scribed on the ski. Sure enough, I went out and skied it that way and it went from a ski that I thought was just pretty good to a much better performer. The difference is about 2-3cm, a significant amount. So, if anyone else gets out to try these, specifically the 87, check the mount point.

 

Has Dynastar changed the suggested center mounting point on the Outland 87's or do Jim's and Phil's comments still hold true?

 

Stan

post #2 of 16

its on a rail, you can play with the mount position all you want as long as you don't have a really small or really big boot.

find what works for you and stick with it

it's a great skiing ski most of the people i sent out on it skied the recommend position on the rail

some went one position back based on the grid on the toe track

post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by waxman View Post

its on a rail, you can play with the mount position all you want as long as you don't have a really small or really big boot.
find what works for you and stick with it
it's a great skiing ski most of the people i sent out on it skied the recommend position on the rail
some went one position back based on the grid on the toe track
Thanks. I special ordered these skis and did not recall the binding setup from the busy demo day last March when I skied the 87 Outlands. I am a size 27 ski boot.

Stan
post #4 of 16

Bump em back 1-2cm for starters.
 

post #5 of 16

Resurrecting this old thread, hoping someone can help me out. Apologies if this is bad forum etiquette, I don't post on forums very much.

 

I recently acquired a pair of Outland 87's (by reverse-inheritance from my teen-ager!) :-)

Ski length 165cm and the ski has the adjustable PX12 Fluid binding.

 


I have adjusted the boot location as far back as allowed by the PX12 Fluid, but it still looks and feels like the boot is too far forward on the ski. 

 

I am planning to remove the PX12 Fluid system binding and replace with Tyrolia Attack 13. 

 

Several testers have reported that following the adjustment instructions for the PX12 Fluid binding (using sole-length grid marks on the track) results in the boot being located too far forward, and have recommended moving boot back anywhere from 2 to 6 cm.

 

The Attack 13 binding are fixed-location bindings, no adjustment track, they are screwed into the ski, so I will be stuck with wherever the boot placement ends up being. So I have the following questions about installing the new bindings:

 

If I have the new binding mounted using the mount center point that is scribed on the ski, will the boot end up at the same location relative to the ski as if I had followed the adjustment instructions for the PX12 Fluid (using sole length grid marks on the track)? Or will the boot end up farther forward? Or farther back?

 

I see someone recommended using the "8" of 178 as the center point, but as I said these are 165's, so that won't work.

 

I guesss what I'm asking is, is this a case where the mount point marked on the ski actually is in the "correct" location, but the PX12 Fluid system adjustment limits prevent the boot from being moved back to the 'correct" location? Or is the mount point scribed on the ski actually farther forward compared to most other skis in this length range (specifically compared to same-length Rossignol Experience 88 "sister" ski)?

 

Thanks in advance for any guidance anyone can provide for my binding-swap project!

post #6 of 16

how big are you? 165 is very short for that ski.

post #7 of 16
Hi and thanks for replying to this old thread.
I'm 5'7", 155 lbs.
Not much choice about length, they are being gifted to me by a fiend!
post #8 of 16
I probably should have asked your boot sole length too. I think you should be able to get in the right spot buy adjusting on the rail. If you have to remount be careful as the ski gets thin fast and you may run into screw penetration issues.
post #9 of 16

My boot sole length is 305mm.

post #10 of 16

Hi Ski moose

 

My BSL is 313 and I have two pair of these skis.  One is 165 and the other is 172.  I ski both at the manufacturer recommended point.  I tried moving the mounting point 2cm back but I did not like how they skied.

 

Before you remount the bindings, you may want to try them first at various point to see how they ski. You should have no problem doing this with your boot size and the bindings are super easy to adjust.

 

On mine the bindings are integrated with the ski and the version I have was never made in a flat version so I am not sure how  easy it will be remove the binding and remount a different one.

post #11 of 16

Thanks very much for your input. I really appreciate your input, since you have actual real experience with the very same ski! I find the tails "resist" too much in deep snow, the forward mount point making the tails relatively long compared to tips, thus less leverage. Interesting you prefer the relatively-forward factory mount point. Do you ever take the the Outlands off-piste? Or do you use the Rev's for that?

 

From the bits and pieces I have read, I have inferred that, underneath the Fluid system "track" to which the bindings attach, there lies a flat ski. So are you saying that the "track' assembly along which the bindings slide is not removable from the ski? I expected the track assembly would be attached to the ski by screws, therefore removable. However I have not done a close inspection to verify this, as the skis are with my daughter.

post #12 of 16

I do ski mostly off piste with the dynastars.  The back of lake Louise, Kicking horse Castle  Fernie - mainly the Bowls, chutes and gullies and some tree skiing.  I really enjoy them in the moguls.  I never really noticed the tails.

I do use them as my Patrol ski at Louise so I go everywhere on the mountain with them.

 

If we have a real deep powder day I will use the Heads which are wider.

 

I took a closer look at the ski - it appears you may be able to take off the binding and remount another.  A ski shop would be better qualified to answer this though. Not sure how the mounting plate is integrated with the ski.

 

My previous experience with integrated bindings was with the Salomon Pilots which were mounted with a pin that ran through the width of the ski so that was what I was thinking of.

 

Good luck.

post #13 of 16

It is not beyond the realm of possibility that the tails "resistance" that I feel has more to do with my questionable technique than with the binding mount point. :)

 

Anyway, the die is cast, the Outlands are in at a shop with instructions to re-mount new (lighter) bindings 5 cm rearward, which places the bindings proportionately at the "average" location of several other skis that we have in our household. Will let you know how it goes!

post #14 of 16

Good luck.  I hope it works for you.  They are a super easy to ski on so hopefully the adjusted mount will work for you.  Oh, and lighter bindings would be a blessing.  The skis don't ski heavy but they sure get heavy carrying them to the lodge and hanging off lift.

 

Do let us know.

 

Cheers

J

post #15 of 16

So here is my report back in case anyone is interested.

Due to drill hole location conflicts, the new Marker Squire 11 bindings were mounted only 3 cm back from factory boot mount marking. The shop told me it needed to be either 3 cm back or 7 cm back, I chose 3 cm.

The skis feel great! The weight reduction is really noticeable and the skis feel much more agile. To me the binding transplant has released the full potential of these skis and I'm very happy with the result!

post #16 of 16

Thanks for the update. Good to Know.  I may give mine a go again at a further rearward mounting point.  Of course if they get any easier to ski, they will ski themselves.

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