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post #61 of 173
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Originally Posted by JayT View Post

 

Sometimes it's fun to struggle - that's how you improve.  Then at some point you're having even more fun on terrain you were once scared of.

i struggle on EVERY run...thats why i have so much fun!

 

no 45degrees slope needed...:P

post #62 of 173
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Originally Posted by apeyros View Post

But the interesting thing is that linking nice smooth turns down a comfortable rund does't mean skiing green groomer. Bumpfreaq you personally ski bumps pretty smooth and comfortably, hence you are skiing. But if you see some moron traversing and sistepping down a mogul filled of MAry Jane, well, i thinki this is the one who deserves all the crap.

 

"Deserves all the crap" ?????  

Why do you have it out for these people?  Does it make you feel better to put others down?

post #63 of 173
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Does it make you feel better to put others down?

Yes, I also eat babies for breakfast.

post #64 of 173
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Seriously, though, I treat other the way I treat myself. If one does something certain way he would expect others to do it the same way, wouldn't he?

 

If you drive a car with a lot of courtesy, won't you expect others to drive the same way and when they don't, won't you call them assholes. If you smile and say "good morning, how're you doin" when  you see your neighbor, you are most certainly expecting him to say something like "i am fine, thanks" and not some random grumbling.

post #65 of 173

I used to get mad when other skiers, or the ski patrol wrecked the jump we spent awhile building.  I used to get mad when the race team rutted up the best run at the little dump I skied at.  But, after turning 17 I kind of outgrew those types of resentments.  When I see a snowboarder butt scraping a run that turned out to be over their head I think to myself.. well, a little more ice there will make it less crowded for me to enjoy.

 

Freaq's right.  They paid their money, probably paid more than the pass holders pay for a day of skiing, buying lodge food, stickers at the shop, and supporting the local businesses.  If that kind of stuff bothers you it is YOU that are not skiing, you're spending/wasting time stewing instead of clearing your head like you should when you're "skiing".

post #66 of 173
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When I am skiing I am totally fine. But there is still no skiing where I live, and I also caught some flu, so I am entertaining myself the way i can.

What I see here is the instincts of self-preservation at work. When you realize (even subconsciously) that you can't change something you just close you eyes on this. Or even better invent some ridiculous justifications, a la "the guys have paid for this and they thus support local economies".roflmao.gif

 

I have paid for my internet and electricity and support the global economy and gay marriages. Hence I can write whatever I want and you should show me a lot of respect and unanimous acclamation.wink.gif

post #67 of 173
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Originally Posted by apeyros View Post

All the videos that i posted under skiing have something in common - they have  smooth flowing movement on  skis sliding down the mountain slopes. If you can't do that it is no longer skiing. This is my point.

 

The fact that you may still have tons of fun and that this activity can give you the feeling of accomplishment, or adrenaline rush, or whatever doesn't really change anything.

 

Again, let's take skating. It is either speed running or dancing or dancing with acrobatycs. And for a good reason. You won't see too many walking down a concrete road with the skates on and claiming he has adrenaline rush in doing so.

 

apeyros - the bolded statement is where we run into conflict.  You state it as fact but I contend it's your interpretation, not everyone's fact.  In my view, if it involves working with and against gravity, on snow, on skis, it's skiing.  Some of it might not be elegant, might not be pretty, might not meet your personal expectations of what is truly skiing, but it's still skiing.  There can be any number of ways for people to enjoy skiing, as has been mentioned numerous times.  Sometimes, such as in Tyrone Shoelaces billygoating video, smooth linked turns simply can not be executed.  He's taking what the mountain will give him and turning at times where the terrain allows.  That is some fine, gutsy skiing that takes what the mountain will give him.  It's not something I would do out of my sense of self-preservation but I also wouldn't do 80 mph on a downhill course which, I would assume, you would consider skiing.

 

I find it interesting that you said de Benedetti's skiing in "Steep" looked "pathetic" yet you don't say the same about Hattrup, Schmidt, and Plake in the "Blizzard of Ahhs..." segment posted by TrekChick.  Since the skiing was very similar with older equipment and jump turns while descending the Couloir Poubelle (and maybe I'm making a big jump on this), I would assume that you would say the skiing in Blizzard was also pathetic.  It's not.  It is what it is in a movie considered the seminal ski movie of all time by many when it came to opening eyes as to what skiing outside the boundaries can be.

 

In another post, you tell someone to open their mind.  I would tell you the same.  That you have a vision of true skiing in your mind is great.  But I would challenge you to open yours to the idea that others see it differently and are no more right or wrong in their perceptions than you are.  To each their own and respect for other points of view goes a long way in making the world a better place. 

post #68 of 173

^^^ Exactly.  If you have skis on your feet, it's skiing.  Period.  Just because someone else likes to do a variation of the activity, whether it's billy goating, skiing a slope and then repelling down to the next face, or an urban jib session - it doesn't matter what you think - it's ALL skiing.

post #69 of 173

I agree somewhat with apeyros on this point...I've watched some extreme skiing competition where a big chunk of it seems to be the skier searching for a spot to actually ski...a klutzy side slip around rocks to a drop, then a hail mary huck with a sketchy landing, finally emerging to make a few turns before the finish. They get credit for choosing a difficult line, but I'd like to see them get more credit for choosing a better line.

post #70 of 173

Abox - That's more a question of the judging criteria chosen for that specific competition, not that it's skiing.  I don't necessarily disagree with your comment regarding the judging criteria but to not consider that skiing is questionable.  It may not be the greatest skiing but that's more about line choice than activity.

post #71 of 173
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Originally Posted by apeyros View Post

All the videos that i posted under skiing have something in common - they have  smooth flowing movement on  skis sliding down the mountain slopes. If you can't do that it is no longer skiing. This is my point.

 

The fact that you may still have tons of fun and that this activity can give you the feeling of accomplishment, or adrenaline rush, or whatever doesn't really change anything.

 

Again, let's take skating. It is either speed running or dancing or dancing with acrobatycs. And for a good reason. You won't see too many walking down a concrete road with the skates on and claiming he has adrenaline rush in doing so.

 

Have you seen the movie The Ordinary Skier? You will see Seth Morrison, hands down one of the best big mountain freeskiers in history (in my opinion, the best), doing slow controlled jump turns down steep icy terrain in Chamonix (fall = probably die). You will also see him heli-skiing around Pemberton/Bralorne BC at high speed with massive back flips etc. 

 

He says the stuff in Chamonix is what really scares him and renewed his interest in skiing.

 

Do you still think skiing under control (slow/controlled turns, jump turns, assessing conditions on a turn by turn basis) in steep, sketchy terrain over massive exposure is not skiing?

post #72 of 173

The smooth carved turns that define excellence for you, OP, is the easy part of skiing for the great skiers you are mentioning, who can ski that way totally relaxed.

post #73 of 173
Bumpfreaq said it for me. It gets tiresome.
post #74 of 173
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Originally Posted by apeyros View Post

Hello, everybody!

 

I keep reading across the ski forums about how much fun it is to shred the gnar - super steep couloirs, bombing down 45 degrees ramps and billygoating thru the tight trees/chutes. While I realize there is somewhere around 0,01-0,1% of skiers who can actually do this at a decent speed and in style, I am pretty sure the vas majority of the GNAR Shredders can barely get down the GOODS. 

 

My question is why everybody is looking for the type of terrain they can't actually ski? What is interesting about sidestepping, kick turning and constantly falling? Isn't linking nice smooth turns down a comfortable run what skiing is all about?

some people like a challenge????  

post #75 of 173
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OK, let's ask Seth. Com'on, mang, tell us the truth who is right and who is wrong!

post #76 of 173

Hey, apeyros! This is Seth.

I am reading this thread and are you right! Don't listen to those guys, they know they will never ski like me, so they have to compensate. They get long fat skis and sidestep down the lines I can flow down with peace of mind. So, you know you are right, I know you are right. Nuff said.

 

To all the haters: skiing is smooth, round, linked turns on terrain that is comfortable FOR YOU. So if this is a blue groomer, so be it. Dont scrape my snow.

post #77 of 173

^^^ Seth would most assuredly say you have no idea what you're talking about.  Clearly you have not seen The Ordinary Skier.

 

Update: funny use of alias.

post #78 of 173
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Hey, apeyros! This is Seth.

I am reading this thread and are you right! Don't listen to those guys, they know they will never ski like me, so they have to compensate. They get long fat skis and sidestep down the lines I can flow down with peace of mind. So, you know you are right, I know you are right. Nuff said.

 

To all the haters: skiing is smooth, round, linked turns on terrain that is comfortable FOR YOU. So if this is a blue groomer, so be it. Dont scrape my snow.

 

 

 

Ughh, that's terrific! Thank you, Seth, for supporting me. I think we should ski together again this season. Last spring was just insane. I suggest we work a little bit on the smootheness of the turns, you still lack this a little bit. Also, they need to be more round, better linking.

post #79 of 173
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I think we should ski together again this season. Last spring was just insane. I suggest we work a little bit on the smootheness of the turns, you still lack this a little bit. Also, they need to be more round, better linking.

 

Sure man! I don't know what you mean by "better linking", but I do feel like there is some room for improvement. I'll drop you a PM when I am ready. I suggest we go to Deer Valley.

post #80 of 173

Should have named it "Sock Puppet".

 

Bring on Super Banio

 

post #81 of 173
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Originally Posted by bumpfreaq View Post

 

I think this is why.  Perhaps it's not justified as apeyros only asked a question rather than asserting this as a belief, but reading the question certainly got my crap meter going.

 

If linking smooth turns down a comfortable run is what makes your sun rise then more power to you.  But to question whether peeps that don't subscribe to that point of view are really skiing or not...... well, that's gonna bring some crap down on ya, justified or not.

Freaq, I think you and Apeyros are closer to agreeing than not.

Either way, I'm glad you chimed in to give me crap. 

 

Now, back to the video clip I posted.  Why was the Glen guy trying to be GNAR?  He nearly took Mike Hattrup out!!eek.gif

He really should learn how to ski. biggrin.gif

post #82 of 173

FWIW my remarks about night skiing (and Everest) were sarcasm.  I don't presume to tell someone what is or is not real skiing. I too get irritated when someone sideslips a line, or when people make multiple traverse lines across an open bowl.  Try skiing Mr Toads in Silverado at Squaw after someone on short skis or a board has sideslipped a trench down the center, leaving two foot banks on either side.  Tragic.  And what happens to Wolverine Bowl at Alpine is a crime against nature.  But that's my problem. They got there first.  I can always straightline Mr Toads (yeah, right) or hike over to Beaver.   And as far as smooth flowing movements I think the only time I ever managed that was when the potato salad sat out in the sun. Sorry if my skiing offends anyone. 

 

And BTW--gnar is a term for difficult terrain GNAR is a game played by puerile young men and people who wish they were. The title of this thread is wrong, and that REALLY offends me.

post #83 of 173
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post

FWIW my remarks about night skiing (and Everest) were sarcasm.  I don't presume to tell someone what is or is not real skiing. I too get irritated when someone sideslips a line, or when people make multiple traverse lines across an open bowl.  Try skiing Mr Toads in Silverado at Squaw after someone on short skis or a board has sideslipped a trench down the center, leaving two foot banks on either side.  Tragic.  And what happens to Wolverine Bowl at Alpine is a crime against nature.  But that's my problem. They got there first.  I can always straightline Mr Toads (yeah, right) or hike over to Beaver.   And as far as smooth flowing movements I think the only time I ever managed that was when the potato salad sat out in the sun. Sorry if my skiing offends anyone. 

 

And BTW--gnar is a term for difficult terrain GNAR is a game played by puerile young men and people who wish they were. The title of this thread is wrong, and that REALLY offends me.

I think you  need to use these > biggrin.gifrolleyes.gifeek.gifcool.gifhissyfit.gifduck.gif more often.  I mean, REALLY!snowfight.gif

post #84 of 173

I get what the OP is saying; effectively that if someone is pursuing a line that's really beyond their capabilities and is thrashing it out, they're not really skiing.  I would contend, though, that it is skiing, just not good skiing and that it's a necessary challenge toward gaining the skills to do it better and more accomplished.  What it really gets at is defining a gaper line versus a skier line.  We've all had our gaper moments, and still do redface.gif but it doesn't mean we're not skiing.  We're just skiing badly.  So: To gape, or not to gape, that is the question.

post #85 of 173
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I am very happy my topic was of so much interest to people and we have had a great and fruitful discussion that has hopefully helped us to understand ourselves and others better. As far as the title goes it could easily be wrong since English is a foreign language to me and sometimes it is hard to understand all the nuances, esp. ones related to slang.

 

Now does anybody care to take part in another and much more serious thead of mine: http://www.epicski.com/t/115400/extreme-terrain-at-resorts-and-how-it-compares-to-the-ob-gnar

post #86 of 173

Apeyros, if you're going to be leading "important" discussions, how about filling in your profile so I know where you're coming from, and some emoticons so I can get the euro-humor??th_dunno-1[1].gif

Otherwise your threads and sketch writing come off like what seems to be ignorant, troll-like probes, not funny, important, or interesting.

post #87 of 173
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davluri Hope all is well now. 

post #88 of 173

That is interesting. thx.

but are you saying:

hope all is well now.smile.gif

or

hope all is well nowrolleyes.gif ??

 

I do feel better now, at any ratewink.gif

 

any photos?

post #89 of 173
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hope all is well now.smile.gif

or

hope all is well nowrolleyes.gif ??

 

Anyway you prefer. wink.gif

 

 

 

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any photos?

I will post a video as soon as i get one. Now THAT will be Gnar Shreddingroflmao.gif

post #90 of 173

Free your heel and ski for real! Pathetic!

 

Some nice videos in this thread! I haven't watched the ones apropo liked yet.

 

Tyrone was painful to watch.

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