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post #151 of 173
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

Same thing, both mostly walking.  Just because he's in a tuck doesn't mean he can hear the wind whooshing by.  It means he's praying he doesn't have to hike up that next hill...   "Please, please, another inch!!!"roflmao.gif

 

Sorry to say that's totally ignorance talking!

 

First, it's not "mostly walking". (unless you count running a marathon "mostly walking", that is). Look up the finish time of Olympic x-c skiing and you get the average speed. Go out for a "walk" and tell me what's your speed...

 

Second, you DO hear the wind whooshing by on the downhill, just like... downhill skiing!

 

Finally, your "bet" of "hiking up the next hill" is showing you haven't got a clue! Let's face it, a typical couch potato is "betting" you're "praying" you don't freeze your butt off everyday you go out to ski! How close do you think that related to what YOU actually feel?

 

Well, you're that couch potato when you talk about x-c skiing. roflmao.gif

post #152 of 173

At_nyc you just don't get teasing, do you.  

post #153 of 173

Come on at nyc, admit it, cross country skiing just isn't fast enough to be exciting, unless your on a downhill where other gear would be more appropriate (then it's more exciting, like an icy steep with no metal edges and a free heeleek.gif)

post #154 of 173
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

Same thing, both mostly walking.  Just because he's in a tuck doesn't mean he can hear the wind whooshing by.  It means he's praying he doesn't have to hike up that next hill...   "Please, please, another inch!!!"roflmao.gif


Or some lady saying....  "Please please, let me make it back to the house.  I gotta go to the bathroom.."hopmad.gif

post #155 of 173
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

Come on at nyc, admit it, cross country skiing just isn't fast enough to be exciting, unless your on a downhill where other gear would be more appropriate (then it's more exciting, like an icy steep with no metal edges and a free heeleek.gif)

Thank you, for getting the point of this thread!

 

A snowboarder would say the same about skiers on powder, or skier about borders on steep...

 

What's "gnar" is equipment and skill dependent.

 

Why is telemark so popular? Because for some of the more accomplilshed skiers, skiing on what you (and many here) considered "more appropriate" equipment, aka fixed heel stiff cuff boots, are getting ... well, boring. zzzzz... 

 

So one way to get the most FUN out of ordinary terrain is the free the heel!

 

(not that I telemark to any degree of proficient. Still a rank beginner. But I do see the point of what is exciting and fun about using different, aka "inappropriate", equipments)

 

Too many people only understand their own version of fun. ;-)  

post #156 of 173

There I was skiing at Alpine Meadows today when I got to the entrance of a small chute that had been scraped off to the "solid base" and I hear a voice in my head that said, "just side slip it"

So I did. 

I was very disappointed in myself. frown.gif

 

The next run I went back and skied into it without thinking twice, making every turn and owning it. 

 

To the point of this thread, Why do some of us who have the skills to do it let the voice in our head convince us that we aren't Gnar enough? 

post #157 of 173
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

There I was skiing at Alpine Meadows today when I got to the entrance of a small chute that had been scraped off to the "solid base" and I hear a voice in my head that said, "just side slip it"

So I did. 

I was very disappointed in myself. frown.gif

 

The next run I went back and skied into it without thinking twice, making every turn and owning it. 

 

To the point of this thread, Why do some of us who have the skills to do it let the voice in our head convince us that we aren't Gnar enough? 


Why?

Because the last time I ignored that little voice in my head I crashed my bike at a buck ten.

post #158 of 173
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

There I was skiing at Alpine Meadows today when I got to the entrance of a small chute that had been scraped off to the "solid base" and I hear a voice in my head that said, "just side slip it"

So I did. 

I was very disappointed in myself. frown.gif

 

Funny - because I literally just clicked on this thread and was about to post the same exact thing.  Or close to it.  Today I attempted a chute at Alpine Meadows I hadn't hit before.  From the top, it actually looked like powder, but immediately after dropping in I realized it had been well scraped late the previous day with about a half inch of wind blown settled on top.  I slid down sideways, slightly ashamed, but not really.

post #159 of 173

2 things -  first, there is no shame is side slipping a sketchy bit of terrain.  Second, I think it was Patton who said, "Take not counsel from your fears."

post #160 of 173
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Originally Posted by JayT View Post

 

Funny - because I literally just clicked on this thread and was about to post the same exact thing.  Or close to it.  Today I attempted a chute at Alpine Meadows I hadn't hit before.  From the top, it actually looked like powder, but immediately after dropping in I realized it had been well scraped late the previous day with about a half inch of wind blown settled on top.  I slid down sideways, slightly ashamed, but not really.

Until we get a wet sticky storm I hereby give permission to all Tahoe area skiers to sideslip anything over 25 degrees. 

Before the storm I watched 3 gapers scrape and skid their way very cautiously down Alpine Palisades--(the far chute, which had excellent coverage for this time of year). Until they reached the lower angle stuff at the bottom and took off, and I realized they were really good skiers. 

post #161 of 173

I always wonder why people straightline down wide open spaces with 2 feet of untouched light fluffy pow. Its like eating an entire box of chocolates in 10 seconds drool.gif

post #162 of 173

I haven't the patience to read the entire preceding 5 pages but it seems to me the pretext is lame. Straightlining "gnar", whatever that is, is for people with too much courage or too little sense and too little skill. Actually skiing the terrain, any kind of terrain in control with grace and fluidity requires skill and is rewarding, particularly when the terrain and snow conditions are challenging. I'm not entirely certain what a "gaper" is but straightlining strikes me as a "gaper" kind of thing.

post #163 of 173
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Originally Posted by oisin View Post

I haven't the patience to read the entire preceding 5 pages but it seems to me the pretext is lame. Straightlining "gnar", whatever that is, is for people with too much courage or too little sense and too little skill. Actually skiing the terrain, any kind of terrain in control with grace and fluidity requires skill and is rewarding, particularly when the terrain and snow conditions are challenging. I'm not entirely certain what a "gaper" is but straightlining strikes me as a "gaper" kind of thing.

Well, the OP didnt discuss straightlining. He was talking about good fluid turns in extreme terrain. I diverged a bit.

post #164 of 173
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Originally Posted by agreen View Post

Well, the OP didnt discuss straightlining. He was talking about good fluid turns in extreme terrain. I diverged a bit.

Sorry, I can imagine the interest. Has anyone attempted to define "gnar" yet?

post #165 of 173
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Originally Posted by oisin View Post

I haven't the patience to read the entire preceding 5 pages but it seems to me the pretext is lame. Straightlining "gnar", whatever that is, is for people with too much courage or too little sense and too little skill. Actually skiing the terrain, any kind of terrain in control with grace and fluidity requires skill and is rewarding, particularly when the terrain and snow conditions are challenging. I'm not entirely certain what a "gaper" is but straightlining strikes me as a "gaper" kind of thing.

For some people, the rush comes from going fast.  I've always been a speed nut.  Cars, motorcycles, skiing, whatever.  I see the people making all their neat and tidy little 8m radius turns, going a whopping 8 miles an hour and think, where's the fun in that?  I generally prefer making huge gs style turns in any kind of terrain and that's what gets my rocks off.  Going really fasts, then sticking my skis way out there, flexing the ski and have it fly back to the other side.  

 

To not understand why some people do it is silly though.  Some people dig the quarter mile, some people like autocross and Sears Point Raceway.  I enjoy both, but I still do both as fast as I can.  Some people surf mavericks and Teahupoo while some surf in-n-out bay.  Ever been 155mph?  It's fun.  Flying down birds of prey, also fun.  Being all tidy and looking like I have a stick up my ass, that doesn't seem fun to me.  But hey, that's why they make AC50's and Line Motherships.

 

Reducing people that shred the gnar only to include people with too much courage or too little sense and too little skill is absurd, but I'd expect that from someone who doesn't even know what "gnar" is.  You can't even imagine what it might be?  You obviously haven't been to the back bowls at Vail.rolleyes.gif

 

Edit:  Nevermind.  I just noticed you're from New Hampshire.  I'll get you a bigger stick.  The other one might be getting loose by now.

post #166 of 173
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Originally Posted by guroo270 View Post

For some people, the rush comes from going fast.  I've always been a speed nut.  Cars, motorcycles, skiing, whatever.  I see the people making all their neat and tidy little 8m radius turns, going a whopping 8 miles an hour and think, where's the fun in that?  I generally prefer making huge gs style turns in any kind of terrain and that's what gets my rocks off.  Going really fasts, then sticking my skis way out there, flexing the ski and have it fly back to the other side.  

 

To not understand why some people do it is silly though.  Some people dig the quarter mile, some people like autocross and Sears Point Raceway.  I enjoy both, but I still do both as fast as I can.  Some people surf mavericks and Teahupoo while some surf in-n-out bay.  Ever been 155mph?  It's fun.  Flying down birds of prey, also fun.  Being all tidy and looking like I have a stick up my ass, that doesn't seem fun to me.  But hey, that's why they make AC50's and Line Motherships.

 

Reducing people that shred the gnar only to include people with too much courage or too little sense and too little skill is absurd, but I'd expect that from someone who doesn't even know what "gnar" is.  You can't even imagine what it might be?  You obviously haven't been to the back bowls at Vail.rolleyes.gif

 

Edit:  Nevermind.  I just noticed you're from New Hampshire.  I'll get you a bigger stick.  The other one might be getting loose by now.

I think you can ski with grace and fluidity and still be going mach. Huge GS turns are still turns. I just dont get the straightlining in a wide open area but I understand to each there own and I would never say that it wasnt skiing. When i was skiing at Crystal mtn in poor conditions these guys were straightlining a groomer with decent pitch and were having a blast.

post #167 of 173
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Originally Posted by agreen View Post

I always wonder why people straightline down wide open spaces with 2 feet of untouched light fluffy pow. Its like eating an entire box of chocolates in 10 seconds drool.gif

What's wrong with eating an entire box of chocolates in 10 seconds? Do it all the time.

post #168 of 173
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post

What's wrong with eating an entire box of chocolates in 10 seconds? Do it all the time.

I guess my point is that straightling down a wide open space with untouched light fluffy pow would feel about the same as a groomer... so waste the chocolate???

post #169 of 173
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Originally Posted by agreen View Post

I guess my point is that straightling down a wide open space with untouched light fluffy pow would feel about the same as a groomer... so waste the chocolate???

It doesn't.  Seriously.  Try it some time.  Come ski Crystal tomorrow (after this storm cycle blows through) and find out for yourself.

post #170 of 173
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Originally Posted by guroo270 View Post

You obviously haven't been to the back bowls at Vail.rolleyes.gif

 

 

Gotta love cross forum humor.  cool.gif

post #171 of 173
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Originally Posted by agreen View Post

I always wonder why people straightline down wide open spaces with 2 feet of untouched light fluffy pow. Its like eating an entire box of chocolates in 10 seconds drool.gif


More like chugging a bottle of 20 year old scotch.  SG turns, however, I can understand.

post #172 of 173
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Originally Posted by LewyM View Post

It doesn't.  Seriously.  Try it some time.  Come ski Crystal tomorrow (after this storm cycle blows through) and find out for yourself.

gotta agree with this.  It's like saying water skiing is the same if you are going over white caps or glass if you are going straight.  The sound is different, the feel is different.  The smooth, non jarring sensation you get from beautiful, fluffy surface is more pleasant regardless of your angle of attack.  I've enjoyed some peaceful serenity on green runs through meandering trees just enjoying the moment in fresh pow as much as I have getting some face shots hopping pillows.  Moments of pure zen vs. adrenaline rush with no regard to my safety.  Both are staggeringly lovely.

post #173 of 173
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Originally Posted by apeyros View Post

 

 

I am not saying it is possible to ski this terrain and conditions better. I am just saying that this "activity" doesn't look like skiing. Looks more like alpinism, mountaineering - in other words a different kind of sport.

 

This is REAL skiing (please, make sure to watch every video at least for a little bit):

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pksHomQBkM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ3jgtLdU6A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC-ZBmCUeS0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYvM6j56IBk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbKUHDUH29k

 

Also skiing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ftVmWhKi4o

 

Still skiing:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8GjAJEDnkM

 

Not really:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ld-6Q4x7HI

Different types of skiing we are talking about here, but it is still skiing. 

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