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Elan 1010 Alu or 999 Alu?

post #1 of 21
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I have 5 days on my new Elan Apex 177cm and I think of it as the best all mountain skis I’ve ever been on. Anybody knows side bevel on them, 1° or 2°? I need tune-up and some P-Tex (early season conditions).

 

5 days but it's like my ski season hasn’t started yet because I’m still itching to get more skis (usually it goes away in mid-season).

Since I like Apex (888 Alu) so much I think of getting either 999 Alu (181cm) or 1010 Alu (183cm or 176cm) for softer snow , spring skiing and easier eastern glades (Cyber Monday deals).

Does it make sense - especially that I still have Atomic Heli Daddy 170 (seems to short) and Heli Daddy 180 (seems too heavy, just a bit too much ski)?

1010 Alu in 176 could be great in tight spots but I think it could feel too short.

999 Alu in 181 – just slightly longer, slightly wider and softer than Apex or should I rather go with 1010 Alu in 183 (2cm wider)?

 

By the way I’m 5’9” 165-170lbs and upper intermediate skier (trying to improve).

 

Thank you.

post #2 of 21

Your post is too confusing.

post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 

Sorry.

I meant that I like Elan Apex 177 a lot and would like to get something similar but wider and softer (probably longer too).

Elan 1010 Alu and 999 Alu comes to mind but I'm not sure about the length.

Thanks.

post #4 of 21
You don't say anything about where or how you ski, but despite that, an 88 and a 99 as your 2 skis is way too much overlap. If your choices are a 999 or 1010 then it's a no brainier to get the 1010. I'm going to leave your heli daddy's out of the equation since it doesn't sound like you like either one that much.
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 

999s are only 1cm wider but also softer and probably I would get them a bit longer than my 888s (Apex). I know 1010 makes more senses but I’m afraid  that it will be too much for my ability and terrain I ski – I want to be able to ski them in opened glades and get down on mugul field too. I wanted to demo them but it’s hard to find them on the East Coast.

I mostly ski Vermont (MRG, Sugarbush, Killington, Stowe, JayPeak) and NY (Plattekill, Hunter, Gore).

In general I prefer medium stiff skis with metal. I also prefer all mountain skis which allow skidded turns over carvers (if skiing was only about carving I could quit it all together)

post #6 of 21

I have the Apex in a 177 and like it.  I got the Spire (same as Alu 999) in a 181 and never went back to the Apex.  For me, it was easier skiing than the Apex with better overall performance.  Better in moguls and chopped up snow and powder than the Apex.  Good on groomers and will carve nicely if you like.  I use it as a one quiver ski with a touring binding (Marker F10) and an alpine oriented touring boot (Dynafit Titan last few years, Tecnica Cochise 120 new this year).   Ski in VT and Alps.  Set up is a bit too heavy for longer tours.  I'm contemplating switching out for Dynafit bindings but I don't have any longer tours planned this year, so it's probably not necessary at this point.  I'm 6', 185.  Many years of skiing.  No experience with the 1010.

post #7 of 21
I ski the 888 and 1010, haven't ever been on the 999.

Among skis in the 110ish waist group, 1010 is not all that forgiving in the sense that it doesn't default to a smeary turn like a rockered/5-point might. You can smear your turns but it's going to come from you using your skills at edge management, not from the ski's default preference.

It's probably best to consider it as the 888 spread out to the 1010's dimensions, with a little bit more shape in the tail relative to the 888, and a softer tip relative to the 888. It has more of a big GS ski feel to it, less of a playful smeary poppy fat ski feel.

I don't see the 1010 being fun at most Eastern hills, you'd have to be on your game to keep it nimble in the relatively tighter confines of Eastern hills.

I would suggest the 999.
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by GrizzledVeteran View Post

I ski the 888 and 1010, haven't ever been on the 999.
Among skis in the 110ish waist group, 1010 is not all that forgiving in the sense that it doesn't default to a smeary turn like a rockered/5-point might. You can smear your turns but it's going to come from you using your skills at edge management, not from the ski's default preference.
It's probably best to consider it as the 888 spread out to the 1010's dimensions, with a little bit more shape in the tail relative to the 888, and a softer tip relative to the 888. It has more of a big GS ski feel to it, less of a playful smeary poppy fat ski feel.
I don't see the 1010 being fun at most Eastern hills, you'd have to be on your game to keep it nimble in the relatively tighter confines of Eastern hills.
I would suggest the 999.

This ^^^^, mostly. Neither the 888 or the 1010 are demanding, relative to some others, but they assume high intermediate and up technical skills. They're good skis to grow on. The 999, as I understand it (have owned the Apex and Olympus Mons/1010), is a bit softer. Which is a good thing for bumps and soft snow, a good thing for learning, maybe not a good thing for eastern hardpack and worse. Do you own a narrower ski for icy days? 

post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 

I have Stockli Laser SC for blue ice.

also, after few days on Apex I think it is really good when it's just a bit icy.

post #10 of 21

If you're looking for an Elan for soft snow, look at a 180 Boomerang.  Yes, it is 120mm underfoot, but it will still carve a turn on the groomers.  After all, it's still an Elan.  It's got a low-profile rockered tip and tail, with very low camber, so it's got amazing float and will smear a turn when you need it to.

 

If you want a pow ski, get a pow ski.

post #11 of 21

^^^^ Good point here. The 1010 is really more of a big mountain ski oriented toward powder or chop. OTOH, you say you ski eastern glades. Assume that means your home mountain - unless it's northern VT - is not likely to get major dumps. So you should ask yourself how far in the direction of dedicated powder ski you want to go, or how fat is right for your glades. Personally, I've found anything over 110 to be a bit wide in eastern trees except for a couple of days a year, YMMV. 

post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by choucas View Post

I have the Apex in a 177 and like it.  I got the Spire (same as Alu 999) in a 181 and never went back to the Apex.  For me, it was easier skiing than the Apex with better overall performance.  Better in moguls and chopped up snow and powder than the Apex.  Good on groomers and will carve nicely if you like.  I use it as a one quiver ski with a touring binding (Marker F10) and an alpine oriented touring boot (Dynafit Titan last few years, Tecnica Cochise 120 new this year).   Ski in VT and Alps.  Set up is a bit too heavy for longer tours.  I'm contemplating switching out for Dynafit bindings but I don't have any longer tours planned this year, so it's probably not necessary at this point.  I'm 6', 185.  Many years of skiing.  No experience with the 1010.

 

Now I want to try 999 Alu badly - not ready yet to retire my Apex though smile.gif

How do those Marker Tour bindings work for you?

 

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Originally Posted by GrizzledVeteran View Post

I ski the 888 and 1010, haven't ever been on the 999.
Among skis in the 110ish waist group, 1010 is not all that forgiving in the sense that it doesn't default to a smeary turn like a rockered/5-point might. You can smear your turns but it's going to come from you using your skills at edge management, not from the ski's default preference.
It's probably best to consider it as the 888 spread out to the 1010's dimensions, with a little bit more shape in the tail relative to the 888, and a softer tip relative to the 888. It has more of a big GS ski feel to it, less of a playful smeary poppy fat ski feel.
I don't see the 1010 being fun at most Eastern hills, you'd have to be on your game to keep it nimble in the relatively tighter confines of Eastern hills.
I would suggest the 999.

Thanks, this confirms my fear that 1010 may be too much for my eastern skiing

 

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Originally Posted by Caucasian Asian View Post

If you're looking for an Elan for soft snow, look at a 180 Boomerang.  Yes, it is 120mm underfoot, but it will still carve a turn on the groomers.  After all, it's still an Elan.  It's got a low-profile rockered tip and tail, with very low camber, so it's got amazing float and will smear a turn when you need it to.

 

If you want a pow ski, get a pow ski.

 

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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

^^^^ Good point here. The 1010 is really more of a big mountain ski oriented toward powder or chop. OTOH, you say you ski eastern glades. Assume that means your home mountain - unless it's northern VT - is not likely to get major dumps. So you should ask yourself how far in the direction of dedicated powder ski you want to go, or how fat is right for your glades. Personally, I've found anything over 110 to be a bit wide in eastern trees except for a couple of days a year, YMMV. 

I know Apex will handle most of the conditions just fine but I'm not looking for dedicated powder skis - tried once 112RP and for sure do not want something like that on the east coast.

I think i want another all mountain skis but wider and softer.  

post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by skimrg View Post

Now I want to try 999 Alu badly - not ready yet to retire my Apex though smile.gif

I stand by my statement that there is too much overlap between your apex and the 999. If you go that route, you will most likely end up not skiing one of them.

Edit: which is perfectly fine if that's the way you want to go, replacing your apex with the 999. But you claim that's not what you want.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by jaobrien6 View Post


I stand by my statement that there is too much overlap between your apex and the 999. If you go that route, you will most likely end up not skiing one of them.
Edit: which is perfectly fine if that's the way you want to go, replacing your apex with the 999. But you claim that's not what you want.

 

It's not my intention but I'm afraid it could happen - once I like a ski I stop skiing anything else - and want to unload all the skis which don't get any use rather than keeping them in basement (except for that one narrow pair for ice).

post #15 of 21

I agree that the 888 and 999 overlap too much and that you will end up using one or the other all the time.  If possible, try to find a pair of 999's to demo.  You may find that you like the 888 (nee Apex) better.  In my case, the Apex is now a back up ski for when company comes.  Probably will try to sell them next year.  The Marker Touring bindings (I have both the F10 and F12, can't tell any difference in weight while touring; don't really need a 12 din) work well for me.  I could use them every day all season no problem (40+ days last year probably 15 days of serious touring), hopefully more this year.  I'm very easy on my equipment.  I'd suggest the Baron for most folks who want a binding for 90+% lift served skiing and a once in a while short tour to a nice run.  If you can't demo, just get a pair and sort things out later.

And yes, a 2 degree side bevel and a 1 degree base bevel works fine on both skis.

post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by skimrg View Post

I know Apex will handle most of the conditions just fine but I'm not looking for dedicated powder skis - tried once 112RP and for sure do not want something like that on the east coast.
I think i want another all mountain skis but wider and softer.  

I think you're on the right track. Several years back I skied a season on Fischer Watea 94, a non-metal ski with good torsional stiffness. Compared to the 888/Apex it is more forgiving in the bumps, it's got a more round flex and is slightly softer tip-to-tail. But it still holds fine on hardpack and ice, and is the smoothest ski I've ever ridden on refrozen reefy snow and other ugly ice. I think it would be a great Eastern ski for the skiing I can recall back there (familiar with PA, WV, MD, NY, VT). I moved it to AT duty. Something like that ski, a no-metal ski that has a rounder flex but still has good torsional stability, would be good. I think there's a Head ski in that size range that might fit the bill.

Another thing to consider is the 888 works fine in almost any condition when you're skiing well. It gives good feedback, and can teach you a lot about your skiing. It's my everyday ski and I will ski it in new snow as deep as 12"-15" sometimes. You might find that you can satisfy the new-ski itchy trigger finger with some technique work -- introduce some new skills and you'll find your 888/Apex is capable of some things you didn't know before. It's a great ski.

But a more lively ski with a poppier feel while still holding well on hard snow would be a good complement.
Edited by GrizzledVeteran - 11/28/12 at 8:28am
post #17 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thank you all.

 

I coudn't resist and ordered a pair of Demo Elan Spire 181 (demo bindings).

At least I'm not going for broke here - if I don't like them will try to resell for $100 less (cost of demoing). 

I'll report back.

post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by skimrg View Post

I have 5 days on my new Elan Apex 177cm and I think of it as the best all mountain skis I’ve ever been on. Anybody knows side bevel on them, 1° or 2°? I need tune-up and some P-Tex (early season conditions).

5 days but it's like my ski season hasn’t started yet because I’m still itching to get more skis (usually it goes away in mid-season).
Since I like Apex (888 Alu) so much I think of getting either 999 Alu (181cm) or 1010 Alu (183cm or 176cm) for softer snow , spring skiing and easier eastern glades (Cyber Monday deals).
Does it make sense - especially that I still have Atomic Heli Daddy 170 (seems to short) and Heli Daddy 180 (seems too heavy, just a bit too much ski)?
1010 Alu in 176 could be great in tight spots but I think it could feel too short.
999 Alu in 181 – just slightly longer, slightly wider and softer than Apex or should I rather go with 1010 Alu in 183 (2cm wider)?

By the way I’m 5’9” 165-170lbs and upper intermediate skier (trying to improve).

Thank you.

My $.02:

The 999 is a really good ski. Softer than the 888, not as fun on firm surfaces, but really good in off-piste and junk snow. It is also a great flex for bumps. I don't live where you do, but I have skied those conditions, and the 999 is exceptionally versatile. It would be a great choice.

The 1010 is very good in bumps for a bit ski, also fairly soft flex and easily maneuverable (provided you have solid technical skills). It is a quick ski, much easier in tight spaces than a stiff ski loaded with metal (regardless of whether it has more rocker than the 1010). With that said, I wouldn't want a 1010 for much skiing back there. You lose a lot of control with a ski that wide on hardpack. Kevin, who grew up skiing back there, said there would be zero need for that ski at Killington. Way too much work. Get the 999, he says:)
post #19 of 21

If your demo toe has fore/aft adjustment, try them one setting back from the center line.  The Elan line seems a bit forward compared to other brands and many folks like them mounted a little behind (1cm or so) the mark.  Play around with that until it feels right.

post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by skimrg View Post

Thank you all.

 

I coudn't resist and ordered a pair of Demo Elan Spire 181 (demo bindings).

At least I'm not going for broke here - if I don't like them will try to resell for $100 less (cost of demoing). 

I'll report back.

 

Nice.  FWIW, I'm not against the idea of the Spire/999 for you, just think that it's not a great complement to the 888, that's all.  I personally love the Spire, it's taken over the daily driver spot in my quiver this year.  I think you'll like 'em. icon14.gif

post #21 of 21
Thread Starter 

Hello again,

 

Update:

I like Elan Spire but I mostly ski my Elan Apex.

So, I stand corrected - there is too much overlap.

 

I'm going to sell them or trade for something wider and shorter - like Elan Olympus 176cm

 

Thank You All for your input.

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