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Went to see this at the movie theatre last night. Yes, the ski-porn is still there, and the camera work and sound is first rate. BUT, my take is that this has turned into a giant infomercial for Heli-Ski and other Expedition Companies, including a lot of product placement? Maybe it's just me, but I also miss that old humor that used to make these annual films such a fun experience.

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product placement and resort/heli operation promotion is nothing new to WM. its always been there. In fact, its in all ski movies.  WM is clearly the most blatant by far; some segments are like mini-marketing brochures (yeah, Vail resorts). You just have to ignore it....  Hey its WM, its soft-porn biggrin.gif

post #3 of 13

Even when Warren was involved, Audi and Nature Valley or whatever were prominently displayed.  

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Went to see it at a community theater here, had a great time; film segments were cool, the crowd was very interactive, the beer was cold. wink.gif

 

I don't mind the infomercial feel to it, the skiing is still good.  What feels odd to me is having a WM film without a single sound bite from WM himself, not even a quick "if you don't do it this year, you'll be one year older when you do"...

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Dragged my daughter and non-skier wife to it. Good, but about twice as long as it needed to be, with too many repeat clips. They were ready to leave at intermission.
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Dragged my daughter and non-skier wife to it. Good, but about twice as long as it needed to be, with too many repeat clips. They were ready to leave at intermission.

That's the way it's been the last five or so for me.  Second half seems endless.  I long for the days that Warren was still involved and we saw skiing like I might do, not this endless heli skiing down avalanche chutes.  Give me the gaper footage.  "Want your ski?  Go get it."  I've got a ton of the old REAL Miller movies and watch them every year.  Wouldn't even go to the new one except they are fundraisers.  Actually gave them the money one year and chose NOT to attend.  

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Hopefully it's not as bad at this year's TGR movie.

 


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That's the way it's been the last five or so for me.  Second half seems endless.  I long for the days that Warren was still involved and we saw skiing like I might do, not this endless heli skiing down avalanche chutes.  Give me the gaper footage.  "Want your ski?  Go get it."  I've got a ton of the old REAL Miller movies and watch them every year.  Wouldn't even go to the new one except they are fundraisers.  Actually gave them the money one year and chose NOT to attend.  

 

I agree with that.  All these spines look the same, and they get uber-old after a while.  And at times they do a terrible job of editing.  Sometimes to be captivated in the adventure, they ought to give you a more complete look at the treks... not just cut up footage of blower shots.

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Even when Warren was involved, Audi and Nature Valley or whatever were prominently displayed.  

 

Classic Warren Miller movies do a ton of cheerleading for ski areas, with a ton of talk about which Austrian ski god runs the ski school at which Midwest ski area, what amazing lift got installed where, etc.

 

But yeah, I think there has been quite a bit too much of CMH plugs in the last few movies.  It starting to seem like half of the footage in a WME movie is Chugach.

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Hopefully it's not as bad at this year's TGR movie.

 


 

I agree with that.  All these spines look the same, and they get uber-old after a while.  And at times they do a terrible job of editing.  Sometimes to be captivated in the adventure, they ought to give you a more complete look at the treks... not just cut up footage of blower shots.

I'm not sure I agree, There are different spine runs that are literally burned in to my conciousness, and watching different skiers hit them in their own way is something I enjoy. The difference between the way someone like Sage does a spine compared to someone like Daron Rhalves is miles apart as far as their skiing style, but both are totally captivating. But then again. I'm not one and done when it comes to a ski movie. I have a constant rotation in my iPad, and watch them year round. And I get them all.

 

That leads to my biggest problem with WM. I have usually already seen all the movies by the companies that WME bought all their B-roll footage from.

 

I'm always confused why people would want to see skiing that they can do? Why? You can see that every time you ski.

post #10 of 13

I can remember the days when Warren Miller actually showed up at your local H.S. Gym and narrated his films live.  In many cases we actually knew skiers shown in local footage at places like Sun Valley, Alta and Jackson Hole.  Miller's quick wit and dry humor were as much of a hit as his movies.

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All.I.Can, well over Flow, IMO
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I'm not sure I agree, There are different spine runs that are literally burned in to my conciousness, and watching different skiers hit them in their own way is something I enjoy. The difference between the way someone like Sage does a spine compared to someone like Daron Rhalves is miles apart as far as their skiing style, but both are totally captivating. But then again. I'm not one and done when it comes to a ski movie. I have a constant rotation in my iPad, and watch them year round. And I get them all.

 

That leads to my biggest problem with WM. I have usually already seen all the movies by the companies that WME bought all their B-roll footage from.

 

I'm always confused why people would want to see skiing that they can do? Why? You can see that every time you ski.

I agree -- I actually think this year's TGR film is pretty good, and better than their films of the last couple of years.

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I agree -- I actually think this year's TGR film is pretty good, and better than their films of the last couple of years.

 

With exception of the "Corbet's Session," it was 100% AK.

 

Light the Wick and One for the Road were better, IMO.  Also, they really got the music wrong this year.

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