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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 

Hi everyone! Thanks for the help- I'm looking for boots and skis

 

I've been skiing all my life on the east-coast- Mainly Vermont. I ski anywhere from 5-10 days a year. I have previously used an old set of skis for 10 years, never thinking twice about upgrading- but i think its about time i get a better performing skis. Here are some stats to help

 

I enjoy groomed and steep runs- Not good at moguls but can do them, and will occasionally venture in the trees. The one thing i enjoy most is speed :)

 

I'm 27 5'11" 170 lbs. and would call myself advanced-intermediate i guess? I've ski's on short 160 cm skis- probably from early 2000 and worst part of them is that they chatter, and the back skis often lose edge on ice and hard pack...

 

I'd prefer used if possible- I don't care for the newest gear but something that gets me in this century that adheres to my skiing style.

 

Any suggestions on a good setup? Any good places to get used gear?

post #2 of 24

you should not get used boots, you need boots that fit you well.  You need to think the big picture here.  If you are on boots that don't fit well, you are wasting your whole day on the slopes with ill-fitting gear. 

 

Skis are more of a commodity so you can get used skis that have plenty of life in them.  You can find used skis easily on ebay...  But you can also get very good discounts on NEW last years skis.

 

I would suggest start with the boots, if you have a ski shop near you (or at your resort), go get fitted for boots.  At the same time you can talk to them about your needs about what good deals they have on last years stock that meets your needs.   

 

You should be looking for a ski in the range of 165-175 about 80mm in width and for just the groomers probably will be a system ski (binding and ski designed/sold together).

 

 

Come back here for any advice on your options.

post #3 of 24

Welcome to EpicSki!

 

I see that you said you're getting new boots and used skis.  Where are you skiing in Vermont?  Perhaps we can suggest a good boot guy for you to start off in the right direction. 

 

As for skis, there are a lot of good skis out there, perhaps you can start by looking at Gear Swap here on EpicSki and see whats available here. 

 

http://www.epicski.com/f/10/gear-swap-buy-sell-gear

 

Here is a set of skis from someone I know has taken care of them. 

http://www.epicski.com/t/114156/blizzard-magnum-8-1-172-w-integrated-marker-binding

post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the advice-

 

Glad to see that there is a gear swap here- Will definately look it up...

 

Ray- I'm definately getting new boots- It seems that thats the only way to go and i won't skimp there, i know what its like to wear bad boots.

 

I ski in Vermont but live in Philly/CT right now. So a place like REI won't be a good place to go then?

post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by aagiants View Post

Thanks for the advice-

 

Glad to see that there is a gear swap here- Will definately look it up...

 

Ray- I'm definately getting new boots- It seems that thats the only way to go and i won't skimp there, i know what its like to wear bad boots.

 

I ski in Vermont but live in Philly/CT right now. So a place like REI won't be a good place to go then?

If you're in Philly, try Wicks Ski Shop. 

http://www.wicksskishop.com/#!cvcvvg/mainPage

 

They either just had or are having their last consignment sale of the season. Lots of Bears shop there and can vouch that its a good ski shop. 

post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 

Trek Chik

 

Thanks for the refernces :)  I bought the Magnums from Wade :)

 

One more question- Do a lot of people buy boots online? It seems a lot cheaper to get them there than in a store- If i buy online, do the stores adjust the actual boot to your size, or do they merely just help fit you with the right size? I'm unclear what an actual boot fitter does at a ski store

post #7 of 24
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Originally Posted by aagiants View Post

Trek Chik

 

Thanks for the refernces :)  I bought the Magnums from Wade :)

 

One more question- Do a lot of people buy boots online? It seems a lot cheaper to get them there than in a store- If i buy online, do the stores adjust the actual boot to your size, or do they merely just help fit you with the right size? I'm unclear what an actual boot fitter does at a ski store

The trick with buying on line is that its hard to find a boot that fits well, and know what you're getting for your $$. 

If you go to a knowledgeable boot fitter, they are good at assessing your foot, shape, size, arch length, instep.....(etc) AND they know which boots fit which feet.  If you're going to spend your hard earned $$, you're wise to go to a boot fitter.  

Most people who buy on line without knowing what  boot fits well end up spending way more money in the long run, trying to find the fix for a marginal-painful ski experience. 

post #8 of 24

For sure go to a boot fitter. Some feet fit some boots right out of the box but getting a boot to fit right can be more than just about boot length. If the fit needs tweeking such as heating up the boot to "punch" it to accommodate a wide forefoot, or lowering the foot in the boot to gain volume (or the opposite) etc., will all be included when bought from a ski shop. Generally speaking you ski your new boots for a few days and then can go back to the shop for adjustments, possibly a few times.. If you got to a boot fitter for adjustments with a boot purchased elsewhere, you could end up paying $50/hr or more.

post #9 of 24

During early season, you may be able to get boots from inventory from a ski shop with an experienced boot fitter that are not only a good deal, but that you can get tweaked for as long as needed to achieve the best fit possible.  Considering the time involved with online shopping, I consider that a better investment in the long run.

post #10 of 24

Wicks in PhilaPA or D&Q in Cherry Hill are great shops.

 

As far as shopping boots online, you must have a real understanding of you feet; size, width and your experience from the boots you have had success with or failures with.

 

Online shops like EVO, Backcountry and such have shipping and cheap return policies if you decide to go 'fishing'.

 

Used might do it if you are lucky, again some you win, some you lose.

 

Example: I have a pair of Lange Pro Blasters from last season for sale. They are 28.5 or 10.5/11 US and have a 102mm last width with a 100 flex.

 

102 last is too wide even for my old, flat feet, the flex was too soft in the end for my style and size, but it may work for you if you understand the information I listed.

 

I was shopping a specific flex and was looking for more comfort.....too much comfort out of the box is usually not going to be a good fit after some break-in. 

 

Get to know your feet before you buy any boots unless you have deep pockets. My adice is hit a ski shop and try many on for size, even if you don't buy from the shop you can take the information

 

and apply it to an online purchase.

 

For me here in SoFLA, I don't have much in the way of variety to choose from, one ski shop that has multiple locations, mostly with the same amount of limited choices.

 

All the advice from everyone is spot on, so have fun seeking your boots.

 

Pray for Snow!

post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by snokat View Post

Wicks in PhilaPA or D&Q in Cherry Hill are great shops.

 

As far as shopping boots online, you must have a real understanding of you feet; size, width and your experience from the boots you have had success with or failures with.

 

Online shops like EVO, Backcountry and such have shipping and cheap return policies if you decide to go 'fishing'.

 

Used might do it if you are lucky, again some you win, some you lose.

 

Example: I have a pair of Lange Pro Blasters from last season for sale. They are 28.5 or 10.5/11 US and have a 102mm last width with a 100 flex.

 

102 last is too wide even for my old, flat feet, the flex was too soft in the end for my style and size, but it may work for you if you understand the information I listed.

 

I was shopping a specific flex and was looking for more comfort.....too much comfort out of the box is usually not going to be a good fit after some break-in. 

 

Get to know your feet before you buy any boots unless you have deep pockets. My adice is hit a ski shop and try many on for size, even if you don't buy from the shop you can take the information

 

and apply it to an online purchase.

 

For me here in SoFLA, I don't have much in the way of variety to choose from, one ski shop that has multiple locations, mostly with the same amount of limited choices.

 

All the advice from everyone is spot on, so have fun seeking your boots.

 

Pray for Snow!

Are you aware that flex numbers are not "industry standard" which means that a Salomon 100 flex is not the same as a Nordica 100 flex? Both will be softer than their own 120 flex but might or might not be softer than each others 120 flex. Some boots have adjustable flex as well.

post #12 of 24

Pay for a subscription to Peter Kelty's reviews on  expertskier.com.

The reviews go back a few years.

Make a short list from the reviews:

If you want the ski to perform well at speed, sellect an expert ski, one-step bellow fully sanctioned FIS race.

From the reviews on that site, you will see a number of things:

Select radius between 13 and 18.  13 for small hills, 18 for larger, 15 for compromise.

Select length between 165 and 180 (180 for big hill on 18 m turn radius ski - 165 for 13 m radius ski on small hill)

Select ski speed range as appropriate.

Select top marks (5) for carving.

 

Doing the above will let you buy a new in plastic old ski from years gone by at a great discount.  The reviews go back over 10 years.

 

Some suggestions Fischer WC SC, or RC.

Head I. speed, supershape, Icon TT,

Rosignol 9S, 

Atomic Race D2

Whatever is on sale and on your short list.

 

Don't buy skis without bindings!

 

Yeah, lots of people make the mistake of buying ill-fitting  boots on line without the aid of a proper boot fitter.  Don't do it.

post #13 of 24
Always go for new boots as their inside sole gets formed by your foot. Regarding skis, you can get used ones if they are good. Lately I noticed lots of used skis getting repairs so you can never know how many times they were repaired. I'll rather suggest to seek for a last year model but new one at leat you will know what you are buying.
post #14 of 24

Don't ever buy used baselayers... it's just gross, unless it's wool and you know the former owner.

post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by aagiants View Post

Hi everyone! Thanks for the help- I'm looking for boots and skis

 

 

I enjoy groomed and steep runs- Not good at moguls but can do them, and will occasionally venture in the trees. The one thing i enjoy most is speed :)

 

I'm 27 5'11" 170 lbs. and would call myself advanced-intermediate i guess? I've ski's on short 160 cm skis- probably from early 2000 and worst part of them is that they chatter, and the back skis often lose edge on ice and hard pack...

 

 

Any suggestions on a good setup? Any good places to get used gear?

I'm not going to get into the boots as most are are already answering that question.  

 

Skis:

 

1.  With what you are describing you are more into GS style skiing, so anything with a GS cut (or cheater GS cut would likely be good).

 

2. Conditions....GS style

 

3. Chattering, my guess is that you ability is likely better than you think and the ski in part is holding you back.  Without know what level of ski it is, I would likely guess it is an beginner, intermediate ski and you are just skiing well beyond its range (hence the chattering),  What ever you look at consider something in the advance or better range (don't waste the money on they intermediate to advanced range as you will likely out grow it in a couple of days on the slope after you adjust.  The advanced ski will take you a little longer to adjust, but once you do you'll likely not ski beyond its capabilities for the foreseeable future).

 

4. Wt, ht and age, well I'm about the same except almost double the age and ski a 176 GS FIS ski in the same conditions and love it,  I would suggest you look at something in the mid 170 to mid 180 as length (GS Style), possibly something like a Dynastar Speed Course Ti or similar, which is a cheater GS ski (shorter turning radius and slightly softer flex for the average human), recently I read the term "Glolam" to describe these type of skis (sounds better than cheaters).  Ghost listed a few others which match well.

 

Be forewarned as you start towards these skis, you will find them stiffer, heavier, more sensitive to input and track like railway tracks.  Downside:  mistakes won't be forgiven by the ski (BTW stiffer boots the same thing)...UPSIDE:  Unbelievable performance if you're willing to work for it a little yahoo.gif.

post #16 of 24
Thread Starter 

Wow!

 

Thanks for all the helpful advice guys- I ended up buying a used set of Magnums 8.1 from a person on the forum.

 

I'm headed over to the wicks ski shop after work to go look at new boots. I know i have to bite the bullet and get a good set here :).

 

Now the only issue i have is that its December and its over 60 degrees!!! C'mon snow :)

post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 

Oldschoolskier- or anyone else-

 

Any reccomendations on specific set?

 

I bought a used pair of skis earlier and had some ski damage after a spill , so i'm in the market for another pair :(

 

I previously had the blizzard magnum 8.1- i really liked these and would get them again if i could find one at a reasonable price. I'm open for a similar ski that holds up to fast skiing conditions
 

post #18 of 24

OK, I'm curious.   What happened that you need to replace?

 

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Originally Posted by aagiants View Post

 

I bought a used pair of skis earlier and had some ski damage after a spill , so i'm in the market for another pair :(

 

I previously had the blizzard magnum 8.1- i really liked these and would get them again if i could find one at a reasonable price.

post #19 of 24
Thread Starter 

sigh...

 

Well i skied them really hard for 2 days in vermont- on day 1 i was going down moguls, came to a stop and didn't see a jagged rock. Riped a small hold to the core and bent a part of the edge pretty good. I was able to get this fixed decently (still a small bend in the edge)

 

On day two i was just skiing straight through powder, and i think there was either a root, a sink hole or something. I face planted and my ski was vertically stuck in the snow. When i took it in to get the first issue repaired they noticed that i had a slight bend in the ski.

 

They are still skiiable, but i rather get a new pair. Plus i filed a claim through Amex accidental damage insurance :)
 

post #20 of 24

Why not look for a pair just like you had?

post #21 of 24

Last season the Blizzard Magnum 8.1 in a 179cm was my favourite ski for hard pack conditions out of a fleet of skis in the on mountain demo ski shop where I work part time and ski their skis full time.biggrin.gif

 

Earlier this year a ski instructor was demoing the 179cm Magnum for a few days, trying to decide it he should buy the demo ski. I told him what I typed above and that I was considering buying them myself if they didn't sell by Xmas. He bought them but I kinda regret it because I'm sorta looking for a hard pack ski to replace my Nordica Hot Rod Jet Fuels.

 

We still have a Magnum 8.1 from last year in a 165cm but even if it is the right length for the OP, my boss is not into selling used skis via the internet. He would rather save the deals for customers that actually ski at the resort.

post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by aagiants View Post

Oldschoolskier- or anyone else-

 

Any reccomendations on specific set?

 

I bought a used pair of skis earlier and had some ski damage after a spill , so i'm in the market for another pair :(

 

I previously had the blizzard magnum 8.1- i really liked these and would get them again if i could find one at a reasonable price. I'm open for a similar ski that holds up to fast skiing conditions
 

I know where there is a pair of Blizzard Magnums (2012/13) for sale.  Shoot me a pm if interested and I'll get you lengths and price. 

post #23 of 24

Search for this thread.

 

Don't know the ski personally, but it looks like a GS cheater ski.

 

FS: Brand New 170cm Elan GSX WaveFlex Race!

 

I'll let others comment that better know this model. 

post #24 of 24
Thread Starter 

Thanks oldschoolskier-

 

I saw that pair as well- i couldn't find much information on it besides its a racing ski- Not sure what difference that makes! Hopefully someone can chime in
 

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