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Rock skis.

post #1 of 27
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I'm curious who here has skis they consider rock skis, how much they are worth, and how much damage people are willing to risk to them.

 

I'm curious because I just can't bring myself to wreck skis, even if they are really worth nothing.  Case in point- I specifically bought a ski swap pair of 2001 vintage Atomic Beta 9.22's for $35 for early season, hard snow, crap snow use- skis I could have really used in all of the shit snow conditions last year.  I also have a pair of Atomic Sugar Daddies whose bases consist of about 25% repair Ptex at this point, and I STILL find myself cringing when I hit rocks skiing them.

 

Meanwhile, I'm watching guys ski ~10" of completely unconsolidated snow surrounded by rocks protruding through and bare patches with thousands of dollars in equipment.  I think some of this can be explained by the fact that many of the people skiing mandatory base damage runs were younger and probably didn't buy the equipment they were skiing, on but certainly not all.

 

On another note, both of the skis I mention about are the much derided Atomic beta foam core skis that conventional wisdom says lose their pop in a season, and both of these pairs of skis still have a ton of camber and pop.  I'm not sure I would spend new-ski money on foam core skis, but my experience with these makes me wonder whether I'm just lucky or the crappiness of Atomics foam construction was overstated. Anyways...

post #2 of 27

I don't own a single pair of
"rock skis"

 

 

never will

 

I don't care to ski on rocks wink.gif

post #3 of 27

The only TRUE rock skis are resort rental fleet skis.  In  some regard ALL skis are rock skis as you run the risk of damage as soon as they leave the house.  And in some regard, no skis are rock skis as only an idiot would intentionally ski over the sketchy, super thin cover if there was another good line with more coverage available.  That said, most folks leave their more expensive, newer skis behind early and late in the season when base depths are lower and bare spots are more plentiful simply due to economics and fear of disappointment with wrecking the more expensive gear.  For me, my cheapest, oldest skiable skis that are suitable for conditions (fresh dump with low base, or WROD carving) will be the rock ski of the day.

post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

The only TRUE rock skis are resort rental fleet skis.

 

It's been a long time since I've rented gear, but don't rental shops charge you for base damage?

post #5 of 27

I have a pair of Volkl AC20s that are my rock skis.  I doubt I could sell them for $100.

post #6 of 27

I have a pair of Dynastar 8000's that I consider my rock ski's. They were tuned so many times that the base is worn out. I have no fear of skiing over anything with them. They came in very handy for late season skiing in the east last year. I would have crinched if I had to use my newer skis but had many enjoyable spring days using them.
 

post #7 of 27

If you ski places like Mad River Glen your regular skis quickly become your rock skis.

post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post

 

It's been a long time since I've rented gear, but don't rental shops charge you for base damage?


Ski shops that rent gear will charge you for damage.  I believe most also require some kind of deposit.  The rental shop at the base lodge of most resorts seems to expect their standard gear (not the demos or premium stuff) to take a beating.  That's why it's usually already pretty trashed when they hand it to you.  Pretty sure you have to lose something or totally destroy it before they'd charge you for something, certainly not a base gouge resulting from THEIR thin coverage. 

post #9 of 27

  I'm CERTAINLY not going to take MY good skis out when I know it's "bony"!  And yet, I still going to ski, if it's open!!! That being said, I do own a pair of older SL's that got absolutely thrashed nonono2.gif several years ago--I usually don't give a rip what happens to 'em now, but they actually still ski pretty good!

 

  P.s. They ain't worth s***, dollar wisewink.gif!

post #10 of 27

I used my rock skis yesterday and enjoyed a few stress free early season runs.  

 

If I was on my good skis, I might have taken them off and walked down a few parts :O

post #11 of 27

I use a set of 2004 Head Mad Trix Mojo's (basically a Mojo 90) as my rock skis.  Love those babies, but they sure seem a lot floppier now than they were brand new.  The bases are several different colors now due to all the repair work, but I don't cringe when I hit a rock anymore.  The bindings are worth more than the skis now, which I would guess <$100.  I've got every set of skis I've owned since 1979 in the attic, and they've all been rock skis at one time or another.

 

To the OP - can't really vouch for Beta durability, but my best ski buddy has ridden them happily for +10 years until going over to the dark side last year (Rossi S-3's).

post #12 of 27

Nordica Top Fuels = my rock skis...I've billygoated with them too many times for them not to be

post #13 of 27

When does a ski become a rock ski? 

 

The day you mount bindings on them.

post #14 of 27
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Originally Posted by 4ster View Post

When does a ski become a rock ski? 

 

The day you mount bindings on them.


I don't know. Before you mount them, you could use them like a bat and hit rocks out into the snowbank and generally beat on stuff with them.

post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by 4ster View Post

When does a ski become a rock ski? 

 

For me it's when I buy my next pair.

post #16 of 27

  I've trained myself to "dance" around early season detritus.. I'm actually pretty good at it (but I'm sure I look like a fu***n DORK to the people on the liftduck.gif)

post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by Toecutter View Post

 

For me it's when I buy my next pair.

We have a winner!

post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post

 

Meanwhile, I'm watching guys ski ~10" of completely unconsolidated snow surrounded by rocks protruding through and bare patches with thousands of dollars in equipment.  I think some of this can be explained by the fact that many of the people skiing mandatory base damage runs were younger and probably didn't buy the equipment they were skiing, on but certainly not all.

 

 

Or they know how to repair core shots. Also--better skiers (and younger skiers) tend to ski fast down the fall line, which is a lot less likely then hard edging to seriously damage a ski--it's the hard edging that rips out edges and delaminates skis.  I would never buy a pair of skis to use as rock skis; I've got enough old skis of my own.  The problem with using them is that I like my new skis so much better. I do have an older pair of recons I use as groomer skis, which is sort of the same thing since I only ski groomers when off piste is too thin or the snow sucks. But I still try to take care of them.    

post #19 of 27
I just ski, and fix the bottoms if they get funky. Usually I can miss the really bad stuff, and if not I can fix most damage myself before having to seek professional help.
post #20 of 27

I made some rock skis today.  They are rockered to get through the crud better and fat because we all know that really fat skis are required this time of year.

1000

post #21 of 27

core2 those look like they'd hold up very well. Do the lifts at your mountain have footrests?

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Originally Posted by 4ster View Post

When does a ski become a rock ski? 

 

The day you mount bindings on them.

 

4ster,

 

1000

 

that's what we are talking about. Life is too short to drink light beer or worry about whether or not you are wearing rock skis

post #22 of 27

 

 

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core2 those look like they'd hold up very well. Do the lifts at your mountain have footrests?

 

roflmao.gifROTF.gificon14.gif

post #23 of 27
All skis are rock skis.

That said, I have a pair with over 200 long hard days on them that I use for early season patrol work. There's no avoiding some significant rock damage putting up and taking down snow fences, signs and tower pads before opening. But they're so beat that I only use them for that.
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by core2 View Post

I made some rock skis today.  They are rockered to get through the crud better and fat because we all know that really fat skis are required this time of year.

1000

Do you find that due to the binding position that these skis always want to turn right?

post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post


Ski shops that rent gear will charge you for damage.  I believe most also require some kind of deposit.  The rental shop at the base lodge of most resorts seems to expect their standard gear (not the demos or premium stuff) to take a beating.  That's why it's usually already pretty trashed when they hand it to you.  Pretty sure you have to lose something or totally destroy it before they'd charge you for something, certainly not a base gouge resulting from THEIR thin coverage. 

 

You can usually pay a 2-3 dollar damage waiver that covers all breakage.  I don't have any skis that I'm willing to blow an edge on so if I'm gonna hit rocky early-season bumps I'll usually rent skis and pay for the waiver.  It's way more fun than picking my way carefully down the line and worrying about every unexpected rock.

post #26 of 27

I have a set of skis I wore while scrambling across some rocks at Tuckerman's, and I just tried to walk/step as softly as I could with them on rather sliding across the rocks. I would like to have taken them off and walked in just my boots but I felt the snowy parts were just too steep for me to safely get them on and off without losing one. Anyway those scratches were easily fixed at my next tune.

post #27 of 27

All my skis are my rock skis.

 

If they are too used up, no pop or life, then they are no fun.

 

Until that time, base repairs are easy enough.

 

Touch wood, I tend to hit rocks in the long axis and rarely ever take out the edge.

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