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Expert Instructor/Patrol looking for Supershape Magnum replacement:

I'm 31 years old. 5'10. 165 pounds. I've been demoing skis for the past couple seasons but I struggle to find the perfect fit.

I have Mantras for powder trips out west but I generally ski boilerplate groomers/ice in Quebec and Vermont.

The thing I love about the Head Supershape Magnum (163cm) is how well rounded it is. I love bumps, mixing up different radius carves and early turn initiation. The Magnum excels in all three of those categories. I also love tons of side-cut... Generally the more shapely the better.

My big complaint with Head skis is their top sheets are made of butter. I cut through them like a guinsoo sword so I want to find a different manufacturer.

Volkl: I totally loved the old Volkl Tigershark 12ft but I can't find any used ones in the length I want. I hate the All Star and AC series.

Fischer: I loved the 2011 Fisher RC4 SL but I doubt it would be as well rounded as I want it to be.

Please suggest some 2013 models that I should try?

Demo Shortlist:

Blizzard S Power FS in a 167cm?
Salomon Daytona in 169cm?
post #2 of 20

I spent a great many very happy days on the SS Magnum as my primary ski here at Jackson Hole.  I've since switched affiliation to Rossignol (so I'm not exactly objective), and I'm now using the Rossi Pursuit HP as the ski that replaces the SS Magnum spot in my quiver.

 

I think the HP is a great ski.  It's a slightly longer turn radius (16.8m in the 170cm ski) versus the Magnum (which I think was around 14?). The HP might be SLIGHTLY livelier than the Magnum, but I've never skied them back to back so I'm not sure.  In my book, "lively" isn't necessarily a good thing, as what I liked so much about Head skis is their dampness.

 

Anyway, I think the Pursuit HP would be worth a test drive if you can arrange it.  Like the SS Magnum, it also comes in a 163cm.

 

Good luck in the search.

post #3 of 20
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Thanks Bob... I was a Rossi guy for much of the 90s. My All Mountain Viper 9.9s were great!
post #4 of 20

If you can find a left over pair of Blizzards 8.1 Mag with the IQ binding from 11-12 that might work for you,  They changed it this year to their flipcore technology and is sold flat and I haven't skied the new version yet.  The Volkl Code that replaced the Tigersharks could be another option.

 

Good Luck,

 

Rick G

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If you can find a left over pair of Blizzards 8.1 Mag with the IQ binding from 11-12 that might work for you,  They changed it this year to their flipcore technology and is sold flat and I haven't skied the new version yet.  The Volkl Code that replaced the Tigersharks could be another option.

 

Good Luck,

 

Rick G

I would roger that.  Great ski.

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Going to try to demo these this winter. I didn't realize Head actually changed the magnum (KERS) and they invented the Titan. 

 

Still not sure about the Rossi Pursuit, I don't like the idea of a rocker on blue ice. Just doesn't make sense to me. 

 

68 to 74 (waist)

Blizzard S Power FS 
Head Supershape Magnum 2013
Elan Amphibio Waveflex 12 & 14 (14 is better if I can bend it)
Salomon Daytona or Mustang
Stockli Laser SC
 
75 to 85 (waist)
Head Supershape Titan (I really want to try these)
Volkl Code
Blizzard Mag 8.1 (2012)
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post #7 of 20
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Going to try to demo these this winter. I didn't realize Head actually changed the magnum (KERS) and they invented the Titan. 

 

Still not sure about the Rossi Pursuit, I don't like the idea of a rocker on blue ice. Just doesn't make sense to me. 

 

68 to 74 (waist)

Blizzard S Power FS 
Head Supershape Magnum 2013
Elan Amphibio Waveflex 12 & 14 (14 is better if I can bend it)
Salomon Daytona or Mustang
Stockli Laser SC
 
75 to 85 (waist)
Head Supershape Titan (I really want to try these)
Volkl Code
Blizzard Mag 8.1 (2012)
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I would call it "marketing rocker" rather than anything significant in the way of rocker.  It's a slight early rise.  The ski works great on hard snow.  At least give it a try.  I think you might like it.

post #8 of 20

Get the Fischer slalom race ski. You can carve any radius you want on them, don't believe the haters. It requires touch and you have that. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

post #9 of 20
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Get the Fischer slalom race ski. You can carve any radius you want on them, don't believe the haters. It requires touch and you have that. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

Funny because I loved the Fischer slalom race ski I tried on groomers last year... I only get pro deal on certain manufacturers. Not sure if Fischer is one of them. I definitely get Head and Blizzard.

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After I wrote that I realized I don't know what I'm talking about. I'd have a lot fewer than 8000 posts if they allowed me to delete them. I like slalom shaped skis but probably not a great one ski quiver.

post #11 of 20

I realize you are looking for a DIFFERENT brand, BUT, if you are interested in a pair of nearly new Head Titans (same as Magnum but slightly wider) in 163cm, I have a pair for sale for much less than retail.  Let me know if you are interested :)

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Blizzard G Force Supersonic FTW!

post #13 of 20
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I would call it "marketing rocker" rather than anything significant in the way of rocker.  It's a slight early rise.  The ski works great on hard snow.  At least give it a try.  I think you might like it.

Holy crap I can get these for cheap. I also like the 81mm waist. I'll definitely give the Pursuit HP a try. Thanks for being persuasive!

 

Bob I'm toying with moving up to a 170cm. I'm thinking 163 doesn't make sense with early rise and the width on these skis. My Volkl Mantras are a 2009 model and they are 177s. I get along fine with them so I thought the Pursuit might be better a little longer.

 

What do you think?

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Blizzard G Force Supersonic FTW!

I have  the G-Force GPro (similar specs), and it is an incredible ski. Absolutely rock solid, no speed limit (for me anyway!). Perfect for where I ski (Australia),

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Originally Posted by HRPufnStf View Post

Blizzard G Force Supersonic FTW!

I have  the G-Force GPro (similar specs), and it is an incredible ski. Absolutely rock solid, no speed limit (for me anyway!). Perfect for where I ski (Australia),

 

I have a couple runs on the Supershape Magnum (163cm) that the OP is replacing. I own the Supersonics (167cm) and have been on them, as the narrow half of my quiver, for several years. I love the Blizzards; they do exactly what they're supposed to do. However, as a teaching ski I think I would like the Supershapes better because they are less high strung, with slower rebound. The Heads have a softer tip that seemed to me to engage more easily at lower speeds and in softer snow. At my weight (135), anyway, the Supersonics need some speed and firm, smooth snow to shine, and in those specific conditions they seem to me to have a lot more energy and "wow" than the Heads. Perhaps at 165lbs the OP would find them more versatile at lower speeds and in bumps than I do, in which case HRPfunStf's advocacy might make sense. YMMV.

 

Pastuch, if you are looking at skis like the Stoeckli Laser SC, you owe it to yourself to try the Fischer Superrace SC too - same niche: easy slalom ski. I have been on both, briefly, albeit on different days, and liked the Fischer better, FWIW.

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I have a couple runs on the Supershape Magnum (163cm) that the OP is replacing. I own the Supersonics (167cm) and have been on them, as the narrow half of my quiver, for several years. I love the Blizzards; they do exactly what they're supposed to do. However, as a teaching ski I think I would like the Supershapes better because they are less high strung, with slower rebound. The Heads have a softer tip that seemed to me to engage more easily at lower speeds and in softer snow. At my weight (135), anyway, the Supersonics need some speed and firm, smooth snow to shine, and in those specific conditions they seem to me to have a lot more energy and "wow" than the Heads. Perhaps at 165lbs the OP would find them more versatile at lower speeds and in bumps than I do, in which case HRPfunStf's advocacy might make sense. YMMV.

 

Pastuch, if you are looking at skis like the Stoeckli Laser SC, you owe it to yourself to try the Fischer Superrace SC too - same niche: easy slalom ski. I have been on both, briefly, albeit on different days, and liked the Fischer better, FWIW.

No arguments with the above. but at 195 pounds, I find the Supersonics in 172 to be great from near walking speed to about 40 mph.  The 60 pound difference in our weights cannot help but have an effect om our impressions, and the fact that we both love the ski speaks well to its range.

 

Honestly, I've never owned a Blizzard or Nordica that I didn't love, with the exception of the Steadfast, which I only "liked a lot".

post #17 of 20
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No arguments with the above. but at 195 pounds, I find the Supersonics in 172 to be great from near walking speed to about 40 mph.  The 60 pound difference in our weights cannot help but have an effect om our impressions, and the fact that we both love the ski speaks well to its range.

 

Honestly, I've never owned a Blizzard or Nordica that I didn't love, with the exception of the Steadfast, which I only "liked a lot".

I absolutely despise the Blizzard Bonafide that I tried last year. It was way too stiff for me and had terrible initiation. My Mantras are 10 times the ski and the Bonafide is well reviewed...

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I absolutely despise the Blizzard Bonafide that I tried last year. It was way too stiff for me and had terrible initiation. My Mantras are 10 times the ski and the Bonafide is well reviewed...

Interesting.  My two demos on skis with tail rocker did not inspire me, so I haven't even considered the Bonafide.

 

But the racy Blizzards rip!

post #19 of 20
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Interesting.  My two demos on skis with tail rocker did not inspire me, so I haven't even considered the Bonafide.

 

But the racy Blizzards rip!

I did back to back mogul runs with the Bonafide, Magnum and Mantra at Red Mountain in BC last winter. There was 10CM of snow that morning and about 20cm the day before but it was pretty chopped up. The Bonafide was jarringly painful to ski, each bump sent massive pain and vibrations up my legs and spine. After a dozen turns I wanted to set them on fire. I hated them almost as much on groomers. The Mantra was dramatically easier to ski, absorbing hits and controlling speed was relatively easy on the steeper sections. With the Mantra I could smear troughs, absorb hits or carve trenches on command. They are a wonderfully balanced ski. The Magnums were more work than the Mantra but allowed the most control, quicker transitions, faster reactions and slower pace (163cm vs 177).

 

The Head Magnum is my favorite all-around ski ever. They excel on ICE, bumps, light snow (10CM), groomers, steeps, short, medium and long carves. They WANT to carve and they have helped bring my skiing up at least a level or two. The only problem is the top sheets on Head Skis are made of butter, SO soft, if you ski a 1/3 race tune and cross for even a second (Bumps) then you will slice into them. It's very frustrating. I've warrantied a pair of Magnums and Monster IM78s, then sold the 78s. My Mags have over 100 days and they are starting to get tired, I also wish I had them in a 167 to 170. 

 

I can get the Blizzard SLR Mag IQ for only $625 so that's very tempting. Everything I've read says the ski suits finesse skiers with low to medium weight and the ski performs in bumps. Sounds like an Eastern Ski to me. Uber side cut too. The Blizzard S-Power FS IQ is essentially the same ski with more tech in it but costs about $250 more. 

 

The more I read about the Head SS Titan the more I know I have to Demo them. Come on snow! I want to spend money.


Edited by Pastuch - 11/29/12 at 9:58am
post #20 of 20

Do try the SS Titan.  I think it's a great ski.

 

I just got word that my Pursuit HP's will be here early next week, so maybe I can give you a firsthand re-review.  I think the 170 would be fine in the HP, particularly if you've been skiing 177 Mantras.

 

Good luck.

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