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Should I buy fat skis?

post #1 of 17
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I live in Ontario and basically groomers all the time; however, I have 2 trips scheduled west for a total of 12 ski days. I have an all mountain ski (80mm). Is it worth getting fat skis for those two trips?

 

I have been skiing for 2 years, I am decent on groomers but next to no experience off groomers. My goal for the two trips is to get better at off piste. So, is it worth it? If yes, what would you recommend?

 

Thanks.

post #2 of 17

Considering your "next to no experience off groomers," I would not buy a second set of skis, at least not at this point.  Try different skis on your first trip, depending on the conditions you encounter.  If you go someplace where there is significant snow depth off-piste, you should definitely take some lessons for that and rent some pretty fat powder skis, like 110mm or more.  But if there is less than about 60cm of fresh snow, then rent something 95-110mm and still take lessons for skiing off-piste.  Take your current skis so if there is not fresh snow and the off-piste conditions are not great, you're all set.  Assuming you actually get to ski some deeper stuff on your first trip and this is something you will be doing on a yearly basis, then you could think about buying some skis for your subsequent trips.  But at least after your first trip you should have some idea of what you like and don't like. 

 

Have fun and let us know how it all goes. 

post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by NewtoSki2011 View Post
 

Is it worth getting fat skis for those two trips?

 

No.

If it dumps, you can Demo.

post #4 of 17

agree with above.

 

I live in western NY and for the amount of dumps we get (NONE) I would not purchase a set of fats. I do see them at the local hill though.  I found that fat skis don't handle well with the type of snow we get around here and would just rent demos out west if needed. 

 

good luck and have fun

post #5 of 17

Define "west". Define "fat". Both of those definitions will matter.  If you like what you have day to day, renting is likely fine. OTOH, in the parts of the west I frequent, I see little point in a ski under 110 - even as an "all mountain" ski. Especially if you are going to focus on off piste skiing. And on truly deep days, much fatter is better...

 

"West" means a lot of things to different people. Snow pack and terrain varies area to area and region to region. Lots of people say "west" to mean the rockies. For me, that's "east". Etc.  

 

Search will be your friend on this topic. Many prior discussions....

post #6 of 17

Are you going with the ski club?

 

I generally do two trips out west per season.  I have all-mountain skis with a wide shovel that I can use in up to 10 inches of fresh powder if needed.  One advantage of being petite.  So far, I've had no interest in buying another pair of skis mainly because I've no interest in lugging the weight of another pair of skis through the airports.  I have a Sportube that can carry two pairs of skis, but that mostly for when I fly with my daughter.

 

What you should do is plan on doing a personal demo day, even if there isn't a dump.  Get the demo skis on mountain so that you can switch out after 2-3 runs.  That way, you'll know what would be most fun to use when you are lucky with the weather.  Also a good chance to check out different lengths.

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Originally Posted by NewtoSki2011 View Post

I live in Ontario and basically groomers all the time; however, I have 2 trips scheduled west for a total of 12 ski days. I have an all mountain ski (80mm). Is it worth getting fat skis for those two trips?

 

I have been skiing for 2 years, I am decent on groomers but next to no experience off groomers. My goal for the two trips is to get better at off piste. So, is it worth it? If yes, what would you recommend?

 

Thanks.

post #7 of 17

Normally, I'm all about the yes go fat you will not be sorry camp but....

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You are likely better off buying lessons to develop off piste skills before you buy another pair of stix.

 

Then, you can use your nascent skills to enjoy yourself on those off piste excursions.

 

You could buy the fat-easy-steezy boards that make it ridiculously easy to ride off piste, but increased hazards up the ante to increased skills.  When those skills fall short, you will not be having fun, even if you convince yourself that you are, or worse, injury tells you it is not fun.

post #8 of 17
Off piste doesn't neccesarily mean eyeball deep pow. Use your 80's and demo whenever you can. If it spews down, rent some decent fatties, 120+
If on the other hand you are looking for an excuse to buy some new kit then by all means go wider. 90-100 skis are very versatile if you want to get rid of your 80's altogether.
post #9 of 17

I agree with pretty much everything above.  It'll be worth it to demo while you are out west if it snows.

I will say that fat skis are fun.  Do they make alot of sense for out east? No not really but they're is just something about them thats makes them a joy to ski.  Keep progressing and demo some bigger skis then you'll know what you'll like.  

post #10 of 17

  I see WAY too many people skiing 120 or more on groomers when it hasn't snowed in a week and a half nonono2.gif  but hey, sex sells...

post #11 of 17

Demo your first couple of days, and if you're in love, buy it.  

 

Go back to the original meaning of the word "demo" meaning demonstrating the goods the shop is ready to sell you right then and there-not just a rental fleet.

Depending on the shop, they may allow you to take a few days of demo rentals to apply towards a purchase so you can try a couple skis before choosing what you want to buy without any additional financial cost.

post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by NewtoSki2011 View Post

I live in Ontario and basically groomers all the time; however, I have 2 trips scheduled west for a total of 12 ski days. I have an all mountain ski (80mm). Is it worth getting fat skis for those two trips?

 

I have been skiing for 2 years, I am decent on groomers but next to no experience off groomers. My goal for the two trips is to get better at off piste. So, is it worth it? If yes, what would you recommend?

 

Thanks.

No. Rent. If you even need to; the odds that your trips will coincide with enough fresh snow, even in the trees, to make 80 mm skis struggle are pretty low. And if you get real powder, as in over 6" or so, go rent some fatties, try out different models, so you'll know for next spring when the prices are lower. 

post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

No. Rent. If you even need to; the odds that your trips will coincide with enough fresh snow, even in the trees, to make 80 mm skis struggle are pretty low. And if you get real powder, as in over 6" or so, go rent some fatties, try out different models, so you'll know for next spring when the prices are lower. 

   Couldn't agree more!! Good advice. Unless there's real snowfall 80-90 is MORE than enoughsmile.gif

post #14 of 17
Have you researched how much it will cost to travel with your skis? If not, renting might be an economic option.
Internal US flights are cheap but some airlines hit you big time when travelling with skis. I don't recall internal Canadian flights being reasonably pricedin the first instance let alone with skis.

Example; took family to Snowmass this year (from Oz). Worked out cheaper to pay more and fly direct in to Aspen with our kit checked in Oz , than it was to use cheaper Internal US flights+ excess for our kit.

If you travel to ski, then its worth doing a cost/benefit analysis. Sonetimes its just not worth the hassleof taking you own.


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post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by marznc View Post

Are you going with the ski club?

 

I generally do two trips out west per season.  I have all-mountain skis with a wide shovel that I can use in up to 10 inches of fresh powder if needed.  One advantage of being petite.  So far, I've had no interest in buying another pair of skis mainly because I've no interest in lugging the weight of another pair of skis through the airports.  I have a Sportube that can carry two pairs of skis, but that mostly for when I fly with my daughter.

 

What you should do is plan on doing a personal demo day, even if there isn't a dump.  Get the demo skis on mountain so that you can switch out after 2-3 runs.  That way, you'll know what would be most fun to use when you are lucky with the weather.  Also a good chance to check out different lengths.

 

Yes, I am going with my ski club.

 

Thanks guys, I appreciate all the answers. I'll take my current skis and will try to demo some fat ones if there's a lot of snow. I am going to Jackson Hole and Fernie (late Jan & late Feb). I plan to go west at least a week every year which is why I am considering fat skis.

 

At how much fresh snow would my 80mm skis become inadequate?

post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by NewtoSki2011 View Post

 

Yes, I am going with my ski club.

 

Thanks guys, I appreciate all the answers. I'll take my current skis and will try to demo some fat ones if there's a lot of snow. I am going to Jackson Hole and Fernie (late Jan & late Feb). I plan to go west at least a week every year which is why I am considering fat skis.

 

At how much fresh snow would my 80mm skis become inadequate?

   That, to  a large degree depends on upon the ability of the skier, snow type, degree of pitch, etc...

post #17 of 17

I have skied four or five 3'+ dumps, and probably 20 days where I hit knee deep powder with 82mm underfoot skis before I finally got fat powder skis. 

You can ski off-piste just fine with 80mm if you want. If you not, you should rent or demo. It will take time for you to get used to skiing off-piste and figure out what skis you actually want. 

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