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post #1 of 15
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Hi everyone,

 

Basically I am in my first year of college at the University of Vermont and need to add a pair or two of skis to get me through these Vermont winters.  Living in Ohio all my life, I currently own a pair of Rossi WC SL's (from '07 I believe, very lightly used though) and a pair of CX80's.  Last season I pretty much skied the Slaloms all year long and loved them.  I used the CX80's the season before and they were fine, but I found myself hating the CX80's every time I tried them last year (it was really weird, not sure if they just had a really crappy tune or what).  For this reason I may just end up getting rid of the CX80's (if anyone is interested let me know).  

 

Back to the real issue at hand though, I will be skiing Vermont all winter and need something fatter than my 68 underfoot race skis and my 80 underfoot frontside carvers.  A little bit about me, I ski at about a level 7 or an 8 depending on the day, ski very aggressively, and love carving medium to long radius turns down groomers (growing up in Ohio certainly had a lot to do with this).  I know that I want something softer and fatter for this season, but I'm not sure how much of either.  Like I said, I ski pretty aggressively and can appreciate a ski that can rail a groomer when I want it too, but I don't want to go too stiff as this ski's primary function would be to handle the soft snow days, some trees and bumps, and whatever else that my other skis couldn't handle.  Now that I'm in VT, I see myself skiing a bit of everything (groomers, steeps, trees, maybe a few bumps here and there).  Also, I'm kind of torn between getting something that's around 88 underfoot vs. 98 underfoot (these seem to be the money numbers).  I'm not sure whether I should go with an east-coast mixed snow ski (like an E88 or MX88) or a west-coast one (like a Bonafide).  

 

I've heard nothing but good about the Bones so those are probably the favorites right now but I am certainly open to any other suggestions (that's why I'm posting).  In addition, if I were able to sell the CX80's for a decent price, I might consider getting another frontside ski with some crud capability (in my dreams an MX78).  So, any suggestions about what I should do for my quiver this year????

 

Tyler           

 

P.S. I plan on demoing, but I want to get a narrow list of demo skis down before I do so.

post #2 of 15

Cant offer up any real help... but if you have your parents/family buy you something in ohio i will volunteer to drive them up to you! as long as jay is dumping of course! all i require is a place to dry my gear! lol. First place on snow for me was Alpine Valley! Needless to say your going to love it in vermont!  

 

on a serious side, check out the line prophet series. I find them a decent crossover ski. Still carves and yet still works in the trees. Also the dynastar cham 97. Your weight and height would help out some too.

post #3 of 15

What is your height and weight?  That will help narrow things down a bit.

post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
Oh geez. Sorry about that. 6'2''' 180 lbs.
post #5 of 15
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Originally Posted by eastskier44 View Post  Now that I'm in VT, I see myself skiing a bit of everything (groomers, steeps, trees, maybe a few bumps here and there).  Also, I'm kind of torn between getting something that's around 88 underfoot vs. 98 underfoot (these seem to be the money numbers).  I'm not sure whether I should go with an east-coast mixed snow ski (like an E88 or MX88) or a west-coast one (like a Bonafide).  

 

I've heard nothing but good about the Bones so those are probably the favorites right now but I am certainly open to any other suggestions (that's why I'm posting).  In addition, if I were able to sell the CX80's for a decent price, I might consider getting another frontside ski with some crud capability (in my dreams an MX78).  So, any suggestions about what I should do for my quiver this year????

 

Tyler           

 

 

First, there is absolutely nothing wrong with your CX 80. Your pair may not be tuned right but it is a very good ski. Is the MX 78 better? Yeah sure, but not that much and certainly not enough for you to dump what you have. Find someone that knows what files and file guides are for, and get a proper tuneup (preferably by a shop that does race work). 

 

I have owned the Bonafide for the better part of two seasons and it is without doubt a superb ski. If you didn't have anything else, it might be a little wider than necessary for an eastern one ski quiver and I might be thinking in the 85 - 88 range. However, you do have your Rossis and so I think the Bonafide would be hard to beat as a second pair. In fact, it may become your lead dog but I suspect that your Rossis will still get some track time.

 

SJ

post #6 of 15

^^^^ This, pretty much. The CX80 might not be optimal for trees, but it'll certainly give you all you need for frontside crud, bumps etc. If sidebounds/trees are your passion, and you plan to keep your SL's (I have the same model, same year, would hang on to them through a tsunami), then plenty of great skis in the 85-98 range for a reasonable price. At your size and skill set, yeah the Bones sound good. Also might look at the Rossi E98 if you like that damp Rossi feel. Or if you want something a bit more forgiving than the CX80 in our ever-present bumps, or for the woods between storms (keep in mind that happens a lot these days), the Blizzard 8.5 Ti, Head REV 85, or the Dynastar Outland 87 might be worth a test drive. 

post #7 of 15

I like the CX80, it's a nice NE ski.

Nothing extinct about it.

post #8 of 15
Thread Starter 

Good point with the CX80's guys.  I'm really hoping that a good tune at Edgewise will do the trick.  They also are a bit shorter than I would like (170 cm), which is another reason for my willingness to get rid of them.  My thinking with the Kastles was that I could potentially dump both of my skis and replace them with an MX78.  Also, my SL's and CX80's are pretty bad in bumps (certainly some driver error too though), and I have heard that the MX78's are a lot better.  

 

Hopefully I can get my hands on a pair of Bones in the next few weeks.  I've heard really good things about the 8.5 Ti's and Rev's, but the lack of width just worries me there should we get a fair amount of snow.  Also, they are very close in width to the CX80's.  I'll also be on the lookout for some E98's, maybe a pair of Mantra's, and maybe some narrower skis like MX88's or E88's.  I just don't wanna get something that I'm gonna hate if we should get a dump (I realize it doesn't happen everyday, but I think it's safe to say that we will have some of those days).  

 

Anyone know a good way to demo skis near Burlington, Sugarbush, or Stowe (shops?, demo days?, etc.)?

post #9 of 15

Boy.......you really need some focus.

 

In the 1st PP you talk about dumping both your skis and getting an MX 78. (Narrower than your Rossis) and not better in bumps or deep snow. In the second PP you're worried about the lack of width of that 8.5 Ti or Head Rev which are obviously wider and better in bumps and deep snow than the MX 78 that you mention you want.

 

So..........this isn't that hard..........settle down and form a game plan.

 

  • Do you want one new ski or two? More to the point.........What can you realistically manage?
  • If it's one new ski, dumping what you have in order to buy the Kastle is senseless. It does not come close to meeting your goals.
  • If it's one, keep what you have and buy a wider ski like a Bonafide (whatever)..............OR...............
  • Dump what you have and buy something like a Mag 8.5 (whatever) It will be very nice on groomers and better in soft than your Rossis
  • If it's two..........now we're talking. Dump everything, buy the Kastles and something wider as well. Then you'll have everything you want.

 

 

What can you realistically manage?

 

SJ

post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by eastskier44 View Post

Good point with the CX80's guys.  I'm really hoping that a good tune at Edgewise will do the trick.  They also are a bit shorter than I would like (170 cm), which is another reason for my willingness to get rid of them.  My thinking with the Kastles was that I could potentially dump both of my skis and replace them with an MX78.  Also, my SL's and CX80's are pretty bad in bumps (certainly some driver error too though), and I have heard that the MX78's are a lot better.  

 

Hopefully I can get my hands on a pair of Bones in the next few weeks.  I've heard really good things about the 8.5 Ti's and Rev's, but the lack of width just worries me there should we get a fair amount of snow.  Also, they are very close in width to the CX80's.  I'll also be on the lookout for some E98's, maybe a pair of Mantra's, and maybe some narrower skis like MX88's or E88's.  I just don't wanna get something that I'm gonna hate if we should get a dump (I realize it doesn't happen everyday, but I think it's safe to say that we will have some of those days).  

 

Anyone know a good way to demo skis near Burlington, Sugarbush, or Stowe (shops?, demo days?, etc.)?

 

I agree, the CX80 is awful in the bumps, it is one stiff unforgiving ski that skis more like your 65mm wide slalom ski than most any 80-85mm wide all mountain ski. So, you want a ski that is going to be versatile enough to handle a dump, yet be not so hard snow biased? Forget the E98 and Mantras, there are skis that are more fun in the softer snow and better in the trees. The Bonafides have been some recent cream that rises to the top of these conversations and is always a safe way to go. Prophet 98 is an option as is the Rev 90 from Head. If you MUST have a Kastle, and everyone should, I would suggest either the LX92 or FX94, both of these will be a bit more versatile than the MX88..and I love the MX88, but I think the MX88 is too hard snow biased, and you have that already. Here is an option out of left field...Salomon Sentinel, Start Haus has some from last year for $299 and could fill this need at a heck of a price. While the Sentinel is a stiffer ski, it is very balanced and not one dimensional. Just a thought on a very good ski. 

post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 

Jim, I am gonna have to disagree with you that the MX78 is not better in the bumps than what I have now.  Also, when I talk about the Rev and Mag being too wide, I am speaking in terms of that being my widest ski, and I think that that's just not wide enough to be the fattest ski in my quiver.

 

I'm going to have at least two skis this year, and the widest of my quiver will probably be something around 98 underfoot, but could be as low as 88.  My post was asking more for specific suggestions as to what skis in that range I should be looking to demo.  The Kastles would only serve as my narrow ski if I could get them, and the only way that I could get them would be if I could dump off both of my skis now for a decent price.  My "game plan" is to have the best quiver possible with my available cash, and I was thinking that the MX78 might be better than owning a FIS SL and a CX80.  This would only be possible if I get dump my skis off for a good price.  There is some uncertainty with this though, and that's why I'm not certain.

 

Phil, good suggestions.  The Sentinel doesn't seem to get a whole lot of attention but it seems like a very viable option here.  I'll also look for the P98, Rev 90, and LX92. 

 

Basically, I'm a pretty aggressive skier and I want something that I can charge with.  I don't want a ski that will bore me when I decide to ski a groomer with it.  With that being said, the primary objective for the new ski is to be able to handle what my current skis cannot, and that is by in large anything but hard snow.  

post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by eastskier44 View Post

Jim, I am gonna have to disagree with you that the MX78 is not better in the bumps than what I have now.  Also, when I talk about the Rev and Mag being too wide, I am speaking in terms of that being my widest ski, and I think that that's just not wide enough to be the fattest ski in my quiver.

 

I'm going to have at least two skis this year, and the widest of my quiver will probably be something around 98 underfoot, but could be as low as 88.  My post was asking more for specific suggestions as to what skis in that range I should be looking to demo.  The Kastles would only serve as my narrow ski if I could get them, and the only way that I could get them would be if I could dump off both of my skis now for a decent price.  My "game plan" is to have the best quiver possible with my available cash,......

 

primary objective for the new ski is to be able to handle what my current skis cannot, (<this)...pretty much discounts...(this>)  and I was thinking that the MX78 might be better than owning a FIS SL and a CX80.  This would only be possible if I get dump my skis off for a good price.  There is some uncertainty with this though, and that's why I'm not certain.

 

Phil, good suggestions.  The Sentinel doesn't seem to get a whole lot of attention but it seems like a very viable option here.  I'll also look for the P98, Rev 90, and LX92. 

 

Basically, I'm a pretty aggressive skier and I want something that I can charge with.  I don't want a ski that will bore me when I decide to ski a groomer with it.  With that being said, the primary objective for the new ski is to be able to handle what my current skis cannot,and that is by in large anything but hard snow.  

 

The Kastle MX 78 will not handle anything dramatically better than what you have. Incrementally better?....yes....for some things. Night and day?........no. Is it a better ski? sure. Enough so to dump off two perfectly good hard snow tools in order to get one?.......sure if you want one badly enough. Is going all in for an MX 78 going to get you a notably better ski in bumps and soft snow?........IME.......no it isn't.

 

  • If you had said that you wanted a ski that gripped better than your CX 80 and was more damp. the MX 78 could well be that.

 

  • If you are going to dump what you have and buy two new skis, then the MX 78 makes sense to replace the two skinny ones.

 

  • But to buy an MX78 and think you are going to get a ski that solves this >primary objective for the new ski is to be able to handle what my current skis cannot, is wishful thinking.

 

  • To have an MX 78 and reach your primary objective, you need two new skis.

 

SJ

post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 

Jim, again thanks for the continued help.  But I think you are misunderstanding me.  I never said that I wanted JUST an MX78.  I said that if I could, that I would perhaps trade both of my skis for an MX78 and then also get something like a pair of Bones.  Regardless of what I do, I will need something like a pair of Bones in order to achieve my primary objective.  

 

Just to be clear, I don't think that the MX78's will magically turn me into a world class bump skier, or even a world class skier in general.  It is a ski, it has its flaws as all skis have to have.  BUT, IMO its a decent bump ski, whereas the CX80's are awful (just IMO).  I think that it is just more versatile than what I have now, while still being a better carver than my CX80's.

post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by eastskier44 View Post

Jim, again thanks for the continued help.  But I think you are misunderstanding me.  I never said that I wanted JUST an MX78.  I said that if I could, that I would perhaps trade both of my skis for an MX78 and then also get something like a pair of Bones.  Regardless of what I do, I will need something like a pair of Bones in order to achieve my primary objective.  

 

Just to be clear, I don't think that the MX78's will magically turn me into a world class bump skier, or even a world class skier in general.  It is a ski, it has its flaws as all skis have to have.  BUT, IMO its a decent bump ski, whereas the CX80's are awful (just IMO).  I think that it is just more versatile than what I have now, while still being a better carver than my CX80's.

 

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

  • To have an MX 78 and reach your primary objective, you need two new skis.

 

SJ

 

SJ

post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 
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But to buy an MX78 and think you are going to get a ski that solves this >primary objective for the new ski is to be able to handle what my current skis cannot, is wishful thinking.

 

I never even came close to suggesting this.

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