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Bump ski for Michigan mostly man made snow?

post #1 of 20
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I have very strong collection of skis.  I have Bonafides in 180, Line Prophet 100 in 172, Line Influence 105's in 179 and Line Mr. Pollard Opus in 178.  Obviously the MPO's are for out west if I am lucky enough to get powder and the other 3 can be used anywhere.  I haven't skiied the Bonafides yet but have used the Prophets and Influences the past few years in Michigan and out west and have enjoyed them in both areas.  I have alot of fun skiing the Prophet 100's in the bumps here in Michigan but just wondering if there is a ski that would be even more fun in the bumps around here.  Any suggestions?  Thinking about the Blizzard ti 8.5's, Bushwackers, one of the Kastle skis or the Rossi Experience 83's but am really game for anything. One thing that turns me away from ti85's though is I am not a big fan of the intergrated binding system.  I prefer flat skis and buying bindings seperate.

 

Thanks,

 

Chuck

post #2 of 20

8.5 Ti is flat, Chuck. So is the 8.0 which seems like it might be even more fun for what you're planning.

post #3 of 20
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Mark,
Thanks for the heads up. I looked the ski up on Blizzard website and it looked like it had an integrated binding. That definitely looks like a winner.

Chuck
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

8.5 Ti is flat, Chuck. So is the 8.0 which seems like it might be even more fun for what you're planning.

 

You think 179 would be ok for bumps?  I only worry about 172's because last year I owned a pair of Nordica Steadfast that I bought specifically for the job I am looking for in this ski and they were 170's.  I didn't care for how they skiied.  They just seemed to squirrelly to me.  I am not sure if it was the ski itself(design and all) or the length.  I am thinking it was the length because I have heard nothing but raves about the Steadfast and it just didn't work for me.  My Prophet 100's on the other hand handle great at the 172 length.  The Prophet has no rocker where the Steadfast and ti 8's do. 

 

Thanks,

 

Chuck

post #5 of 20

Unless you're skiing Bohemia I wouldn't consider any kind of ski over 94 underfoot for Michigan.  As a dedicated bump ski anywhere, I would stay under 80 underfoot.  If you're looking for some bumps, but mostly all mountain and some fresh snow performance mid 80s to mid 90s would be good there.

post #6 of 20

I'd drop a quick line to dawg. I can't quite recall, but I seem to remember you two are about the same size. He did a nice vid review of both the 8 and 8.5.

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Thanks

post #8 of 20

It's getting tougher and tougher to find real bump skis in stock.  Moment appears to be out of Mowglis.  Back country has some up to 170cm.  That's a little short for adult men.  The Blizz Mag 8.0s would be OK, and also pretty good cutting loops on hardpack.  Pretty good suggestion indeed for your neck of the woods.

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I know everyone thinks I'm crazy but for just cruising on the hard pack I love my Influence 105's.  They are a blast on hard pack.  I was up north last winter at Boyne and the skiing was terrible.  Worst I have ever seen it up there and my Line Influences did pretty darn well on stuff that I should have not even been skiing.  Actually should have brought my hockey skates.  However skiied the same stuff on my Steadfast and they didn't seem to hold the edge anywhere near as well.  The Influences are 105 and the Steadfast are 90 underfoot respectively.  That is why I just don't buy into if you ski in the midwest you have to have a ski that is less than 90 underfoot.  Just doesn't register with my experience.  And that experience comes from actually skiing the terrain not writing about it on a forum.  Now I am not saying that a ski that is 80 underfoot won't ski better in said conditions I am just saying that my experience last year had a different outcome.

 

But for this thread I am actually looking to get a ski that is skinner underfoot for a particular purpose.  Maybe if I get the right ski my prespective will change about all the underfoot width stuff.  I am always looking to have the best time possible when on the hill.

post #10 of 20
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Been awhile since I skiied on anything under 90 underfoot.  Guess I'll have to do some demoing over Xmas when I am up north to see if I dig the skinner skis.


Edited by procos - 11/14/12 at 6:42pm
post #11 of 20

Keep in mind that honest to god bump skis are down in the 60's for a waist (Volkl Wall Mogul or Dynastar Twister for instance). I've lived in Michigan, cannot fathom you getting another 85-90 mm version of what you already have. You make think a 100+ ski rips on hardpack, but if you reacquaint yourself with how quick a 70-80 mm is edge to edge, or much less pressure it takes to bite in, you'll change your mind. Agree with crgildart, the Blizzard 8.0 should work well, also the Elan Amphibio Waveflex Fusion 12 is a 74 mm that will both carve ice and swivel fluidly through bumps. But IMO the best fit would be a grippy true twin. The Stockli Rotor 72 is the ultimate fit for you; think twin tip GS; death grip and stability, can still flow through bumps. Probably outside your budget, but maybe it'll get you thinking a more useful direction. Nordica makes a couple of skis, Firearrow 80 Pro and Dead Money, that would work, the Dynastar Serial is another twin with some grip to it. My .02. 

post #12 of 20

I own 5 pairs of skis and this is how I rank them in bump performance:

 

1.  172 cm, 72 mm underfoot Dynastar Contact 10/11/Ltd

2.  186 cm 96 mm underfoot twin tip Fischer Misfit/Atua- note, the TT makes it ski shorter!

3  The other 3- my 182 cm GS race ski is too stiff; 184 cm Fischer Watea 84 skis longer than the Misfit/Atua and is a bit stiffer; 191 cm, 108 mm underfoot Scott P4 is longer, stiffer and wider than the Misfit/Atua.

 

My conclusion is that for bumps you do not want too long, too stiff or too wide...not saying they have to be short narrow noodles, but I would tend to have at least 1 or 2 of the characteristics leaning in that direction.  I would look at a sub 80 mm twin tip or a non race dept version of an SL (or maybe GS cheater) ski depending on what I wanted to do with it outside the bumps.

post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

Keep in mind that honest to god bump skis are down in the 60's for a waist (Volkl Wall Mogul or Dynastar Twister for instance). I've lived in Michigan, cannot fathom you getting another 85-90 mm version of what you already have. You make think a 100+ ski rips on hardpack, but if you reacquaint yourself with how quick a 70-80 mm is edge to edge, or much less pressure it takes to bite in, you'll change your mind. Agree with crgildart, the Blizzard 8.0 should work well, also the Elan Amphibio Waveflex Fusion 12 is a 74 mm that will both carve ice and swivel fluidly through bumps. But IMO the best fit would be a grippy true twin. The Stockli Rotor 72 is the ultimate fit for you; think twin tip GS; death grip and stability, can still flow through bumps. Probably outside your budget, but maybe it'll get you thinking a more useful direction. Nordica makes a couple of skis, Firearrow 80 Pro and Dead Money, that would work, the Dynastar Serial is another twin with some grip to it. My .02. 

 

Thanks for the input.  I don't really have a budget so that won't limit me.  The Kastle MX83 looks interesting as well.  I think I am just going to demo a bunch of thinner ski's over Xmas when I am up north.  We will be skiing 4 days in northern Michigan and you can only ski so much up there before you become bored.  The terrain is limited.  So demoing will add some fun to the vacation and then I can decided what I want to get.


Edited by procos - 11/15/12 at 8:07am
post #14 of 20

What about the new Kastle XX80 and XX90?  Haven't had a chance to get on either yet, but Dawg loved the XX90 in bumps.

 

Mike

post #15 of 20
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Funny you mention Kastle.  Talked to a guy on the phone at a local ski shop and he suggested the Kastle LX82 for what I am looking for.  Think I might go there tomorrow and pick up a pair in 172's.

 

Chuck

post #16 of 20
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Went today and picked up a 2012 Kastle LX82 with the K12 bindings.  Got a great deal and the ski is the same as this years just different graphics, which hasn't changed much.  This will be the ski for me when skiing in Michigan.  Can't wait to get out on them.  Along with my other 2 new pair of skis for out west.  Planned and paid for my trip to Snowbird/Alta yesterday for February 5-10 hope it snows heavily then.

post #17 of 20

DO NOT LEAVE YOUR LX82 AT HOME WHEN YOU GO TO SNOWBIRD!! Trust me.
 

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DO NOT LEAVE YOUR LX82 AT HOME WHEN YOU GO TO SNOWBIRD!! Trust me.
 

 

Even if I own Blizzard Bonafides, Line Prophet 100's, Line Influence 105's and Line Mr. Pollard Opus'?  I was thinking of just bringing the Bonafides and the MPO's to Snowbird.  Depending on the snowfall this winter.

 

Chuck

post #19 of 20

My experience with snowbird is that you don't wake up to 2' of fresh everyday.What you will find out is that snowbird has alot of awesome,long, some narrow ,some wide perfectly pitched soft pak mogul runs that your LX82's are perfect for.Of course bring a fatty but if it's not dumping you will regret not bringing them;round tail, medium front end and they will slice right thru the cut up stuff very smoothly.
 

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Originally Posted by viking9 View Post

My experience with snowbird is that you don't wake up to 2' of fresh everyday.What you will find out is that snowbird has alot of awesome,long, some narrow ,some wide perfectly pitched soft pak mogul runs that your LX82's are perfect for.Of course bring a fatty but if it's not dumping you will regret not bringing them;round tail, medium front end and they will slice right thru the cut up stuff very smoothly.
 

Good point.

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