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post #1 of 17
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Maybe I should put this in the "Resorts" section, but maybe not. Anyway, Copper just put up a pic of some racers on its facebook page. It was not met with happiness. 

 

 

------- BOO racers!! I want some super bee!!!
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    ------- You guys should open more trails for everyone, this is getting annoying!
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    ------- yeah you should REALLY open something NEW tomorrow!!!! I'm a racer whose got to ride Super Bee and Excelerator this season and even I think this is pretty ridiculous how little the actual season pass rider gets to ride.
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    Copper Mountain Stephen, Alessandro, and Sean - sorry to hear your frustration! Training will be taking place until mid-December including at the Speed Center. Ptarmigan is now open for the public off the Excelerator lift and we're working hard to get more terrain open!
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    ------- Ha!!! They're working on Christmas trails. Not even thanksgiving trails. 
    There were more guns running under American flyer Monday then American eagle. And no, I don't count the super pipe guns. We all know that's for the pros, not us regulars.

 

I know Copper is out there reading ("hi POWDR Corp!") so I don't expect employees to answer this, but how annoying is it? I think the increased snowmaking capability actually worked out well last season, over at Super Bee, but hopefully last year's weather is an anomaly.  I would no longer recommend that anyone visit Copper at Thanksgiving. I have all next week free to ski, and I just booked a trip to Chicago to go shopping and eating with my daughter for the first part (blasphemy!)  It's one thing to go on a Monday morning when no one is there, but the weekends will be ugly. Mother Nature has not cooperated in November 2011 or 2012, it's true, but even pre-race-contract, not much was open in Miracle November 2010 until Thanksgiving, and even after that it seemed very slow to open what was ready. That was the first season under the new owner, so I gave them a pass, but it IS frustrating. 

 

On the other hand, Keystone/Breck/ABasin etc don't have any more terrain open than Copper does, I don't think. It's just hard to see all the snow and not be allowed to touch it. ;-)

post #2 of 17

Meh, it’s really not a big deal. In terms of terrain opening, I really don’t expect much out of these resorts until mid December. Plus, it’s cool to see guys and gals flying down the course, they’re not exactly a bunch of average joes…

 

I can’t tell you how often I see people bitch and whine on companies’ FB pages. Vail builds their new gondola, which looks great, and folks are whining that it doesn’t go past Mid-Vail. Winter Park builds a tubing area and they’re getting slammed for losing 30 parking spots. It’s pretty amusing to watch! 

post #3 of 17

Seg, I don't think anything really changed with Powdr.  IIRC, we didn't get to ski Andy's until Thanksgiving, and then it was only Upper Andy's to the traverse to Copperopolis with most of that roped off for the race teams.  It wasn't until early December that you might see a bit more terrain open.

 

I skied my first day of the season Sunday at Copper, and when they opened Ptarmigan, it was great:  soft snow and a little bit of terrain.  But I have pretty low expectations for early season.  I grew up around here, and it was unusual to have an area open for Thanksgiving and if it was open, it was crappy skiing. I don't understand why so many folk are focused on getting on the slopes in October, November, and even early December and then don't show up in late March and April.  I go up to get some focus on technique, but if it's nice here on the front range, I'd rather ride my bike.

 

It's also not surprising the tension between the race and recreational ski crowds.  It's why most resorts abandoned any support for racing.  Jackson used to host racing, but the race course split the mountain in half and recreational skiers hated it, so there is little, if any, racing left at Jackson.  Keystone seems to have abandoned their support for racing.  So, it was somewhat surprising that Copper double downed on its racing program with the opening of the speed center.  But as I said above, I think it only extended the racing season by a week, if that.

 

Mike

post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post

Seg, I don't think anything really changed with Powdr.  IIRC, we didn't get to ski Andy's until Thanksgiving, and then it was only Upper Andy's to the traverse to Copperopolis with most of that roped off for the race teams.  It wasn't until early December that you might see a bit more terrain open.

 

I skied my first day of the season Sunday at Copper, and when they opened Ptarmigan, it was great:  soft snow and a little bit of terrain.  But I have pretty low expectations for early season.  I grew up around here, and it was unusual to have an area open for Thanksgiving and if it was open, it was crappy skiing. I don't understand why so many folk are focused on getting on the slopes in October, November, and even early December and then don't show up in late March and April.  I go up to get some focus on technique, but if it's nice here on the front range, I'd rather ride my bike.

 

It's also not surprising the tension between the race and recreational ski crowds.  It's why most resorts abandoned any support for racing.  Jackson used to host racing, but the race course split the mountain in half and recreational skiers hated it, so there is little, if any, racing left at Jackson.  Keystone seems to have abandoned their support for racing.  So, it was somewhat surprising that Copper double downed on its racing program with the opening of the speed center.  But as I said above, I think it only extended the racing season by a week, if that.

 

Mike

For the umpteenth time, Thanksgiving and Christmas are when kids are off school and not committed to sports. It really is the only time a lot of people have to ski. (I'm talking destination skiers, mostly.) No one is off in April, and  people do come in March for break (and Pres day, but it's not as long). 

 

Copperopolis has been closed always, yes. And getting stuff to open in November is rare just because there usually isn't enough snow. But there was PLENTY of snow 2 years ago, that's when I was frustrated. I'm not frustrated now, but obviously some people are ... and I do think it's because you can see it. You could see it 2 years ago, but you couldn't ski it (even though other areas were opening terrain as fast as they could).  

post #5 of 17
Understand about t-day and Xmas, but I'd bet those folk on Facebook aren't destination skiers. In fact, they appear to be folk who are already up there skiing and frustrated by seeing slopes they don't get to ski. As a subsequent poster on the fb page noted, however, the us ski team paid a huge amount of money to put in the snowmaking equipment that makes the speed center available now.

Mike
post #6 of 17

I found the place annoying before I worked there, when I worked there and after I worked there.  I finally just stopped going there even though I can ski there for free or at worst 1/2 price.

post #7 of 17

I think it's great they support the racers. It's early enough in the season as to not disrupt things TOO much. Plus, if anybody has a real problem with it, it's not like there aren't other options in the area, right?

 

Growing up where I did, I've obviously never raced, but have always admired the sport. Glad to see some people still backing it.

post #8 of 17
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I think a lot of people are not comfortable with the racers on Main Vein. (That's where Picabo Street got her pass pulled 10 years ago or so). I wish they were able to keep ALL the racers over on Super Bee, but I know Excelerator is better for up-down up-down. As it is, the only 700 ft on the mountain that isn't intimidating to slower skiers is Ptarmigan, and it isn't the easiest blue in the world.

 

I like racing and I spent a lot of time over the weekend watching and enjoying, and I don't mind skiing with them (and for sure I have not seen bad behavior) but obviously a lot of people do mind.  My mother refuses to ski there anymore early season.  I do think there is a problem announcing opening day but having your clientele unhappy with the amount of space they are getting. Maybe they just shouldn't open until Thanksgiving....  As always, if there was an easier solution, they would have done it.

post #9 of 17

I was there today for the 2nd or 3rd time this season and enjoy watching the racers...don`t mind skiing next to them either, but you do have to pick your spots and can understand why some are uncomfortable.  I felt even more uncomfortable at Keystone Monday as some of the people whizzing past didn`t really have the skill to do so.

 

I am glad they support the racing, but think that they should open up Super Bee to the public for at least Thanksgiving weekend.

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...I felt even more uncomfortable at Keystone Monday as some of the people whizzing past didn`t really have the skill to do so.

^^Worth repeating
post #11 of 17
Oooooohhh, come on people, at least some of you are fortunate enough to live and work near all these resorts and most importantly you get to ski while the rest of us just read and watch on tv, so shut up and enjoy what you have...redface.gifredface.gifredface.gif
post #12 of 17

I have 5 days at copper this year.  I'll be hanging at loveland until you copper experts give me the word that it's all good. looking forward to checking out the bowls and bumps. 

post #13 of 17

Just to add to the conversation, I happened upon the following recent review of Copper on TripAdvisor.com (most recent review, about a third of the way down the page).  Although it's good to see Copper management monitoring and responding online to this type of stuff, the response did not really address the reviewer's complaint.  The reviewer's perception was that the racers, their crew and the Copper staff supporting them are disrespectful of Joe Public and the mountain is currently unsafe.  Did this guy have a one-off bad experience or is it really that bad?  I mean the professional racers/crew/staff's attitude.

 

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g33370-d143727-Reviews-Copper_Mountain_Ski_Area-Copper_Mountain_Colorado.html

post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by Tervizeks View Post

Just to add to the conversation, I happened upon the following recent review of Copper on TripAdvisor.com (most recent review, about a third of the way down the page).  Although it's good to see Copper management monitoring and responding online to this type of stuff, the response did not really address the reviewer's complaint.  The reviewer's perception was that the racers, their crew and the Copper staff supporting them are disrespectful of Joe Public and the mountain is currently unsafe.  Did this guy have a one-off bad experience or is it really that bad?  I mean the professional racers/crew/staff's attitude.

 

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g33370-d143727-Reviews-Copper_Mountain_Ski_Area-Copper_Mountain_Colorado.html

Interesting. Well, I must say, I have never had issue with scariness or rudeness from anyone. (Except a Copper patroller, last year, who almost hit me while racing to tell my daughter not to duck a rope. I understand that, but where she ducked it was probably 5 ft high, and it was right next to the entrance to the run. She was entering an open run on the other side of the bamboo. Not a safety issue. He seriously ran right across my skis while APPREHENDING her! Please. Tele skier on ... some kind of Volkls, Goats maybe or Mantras. jerk.) Never been close to being hit, or anything. I'm up tomorrow and Friday, with the hoi polloi, will see if anything is different.

post #15 of 17

I skied Copper today and a lot of the racers have de-camped...There were 5 high speed lifts running on different parts of the mountain which was relatively empty.  

 

Had a discussion this afternoon with a guy who works at Beaver Creek and another at Loveland.  The BC guy said they had nothing and the LL guy said he was also at Copper and thought they were putting on a good show given the current drought conditions...consensus seemed to be that they are the best bet locally at the moment.

post #16 of 17
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I skied Copper today and a lot of the racers have de-camped...There were 5 high speed lifts running on different parts of the mountain which was relatively empty.  

 

Had a discussion this afternoon with a guy who works at Beaver Creek and another at Loveland.  The BC guy said they had nothing and the LL guy said he was also at Copper and thought they were putting on a good show given the current drought conditions...consensus seemed to be that they are the best bet locally at the moment.

Yeah, I think this is the case. And most of the racers I've talked to were here only through November. It's a fair trade-off for a lot more terrain after that. 

post #17 of 17
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I found the place annoying before I worked there, when I worked there and after I worked there.  I finally just stopped going there even though I can ski there for free or at worst 1/2 price.


Don't sugarcoat it, tell us what you think.

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