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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

Just wondering if anyone knows where (anywhere - Can,USA,Eur) you can get a grind the same or similar to the one in this pic.

 

I have seen it coming from Atomics race room in Austria, and a Shop in New England.

 

post #2 of 23

Skiis and Biikes should be able to do it on their Montana. I know Chris @ T&L here in Ottawa has tried in on their Montana. I was supposed to get it on some speed skis before last year's K2 provincials in the Wood, but he wasn't around to do it and ended up with the regular grind. Too bad, I would have liked to have seen it in action.
 

post #3 of 23
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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity View Post

Skiis and Biikes should be able to do it on their Montana. I know Chris @ T&L here in Ottawa has tried in on their Montana. I was supposed to get it on some speed skis before last year's K2 provincials in the Wood, but he wasn't around to do it and ended up with the regular grind. Too bad, I would have liked to have seen it in action.
 

Same I believe goes for the Mississauga Store.  They actual advertise textured grinds.  Don't know the cost though.

post #4 of 23

I saw this the other day, don't know if it will help.

 

The RACE PLACE Speed Grinding Service can help create the fastest possible skis for you. The cornerstone of our service is a Wintersteiger Sigma RS 350 stone grinder that was developed in cooperation with the Austrian National Ski Team. This highly computerized machine has a multitude of preferred ski base structure grinds programmed into it's system. We can input your event or discipline , snow type, temperature and humidity and the resulting structure is what the Austrian National Ski Team determined best for those conditions. You all know how many podiums the Austrians win!

We have done winning grinds for several World Cup athletes!

 

http://www.the-raceplace.com/Ski-Tuning-Service-s/5510.htm

post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by oldschoolskier View Post

Same I believe goes for the Mississauga Store.  They actual advertise textured grinds.  Don't know the cost though.

 

 

The caveat is that while the machines are "able" to produce that grind, have they been programmed to do it, or are the shops even offering anything but a standard linear or cross??? Any of the newer Crystal Glides should be able to handle it. Only way to find out is to talk to the techs at S&B.

 

I know that ex-CAST Scott Shaver at Shaver Sports in Chelsea QC (at Camp Fortune ski hill) has a decent Wintersteiger base grinder that could also probably do it, but I have never asked what custom grinds they can do. I think T&L charges about $30 for just a structure.

post #6 of 23

Start Haus has the grinder and the staff to do just about any grind structure you want.  

Of course Jim and his crew are more knowledgeable about it than I'll ever be but I gotta say, I'm impressed. 

post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 

Cool, thanks guys/gals.  Are there any other shops out there that are doing this?

 

Another version - 

 

post #8 of 23

If I remember correctly, the second grind is closer to what I believe T&L was doing, and it was mostly be tried on speed skis.

post #9 of 23

Edgewise in Stowe does some cool work with custom grind patterns, here is some info:

 

http://www.edgewiseskiservice.com/alpine-race-grind-information/

post #10 of 23

The Podium in Salt Lake City can lay down some pretty interesting stuff!

Then saturate them with a few hundred dollars of fluro and you will be in the hunt!

An old racin' maxim..

"Speed costs money.  How fast can you afford to go?"

It is easy to put $50,000 in a small block chevy and not be competitive...

post #11 of 23

Northern Ski Works in Ludlow VT ( aslo in Rutland) has a Wintersteiger that can be programmed for a multitude of different patterns. But I would tell them what you are looking to achieve with the grind, rather than a specific pattern. They will likely have the information that can help you achieve the desired reults.

post #12 of 23

Precision Ski in Frisco, Colorado offers over 20 different custom grinds from their Montana Grinder. The first photo looks like the 'Zai' grind to me.
 

post #13 of 23

I believe that the standard structure from Zai comes to a much sharper point, more like a fluted "v" shape as opposed to an a.

post #14 of 23

We affectionately call that a "Thumbprint" Grind.

post #15 of 23

Pierce Skate and Ski in Bloomington, MN

 

Can they do pretty much whatever structure you want on their Montana Grinder.

post #16 of 23

I bet Buster at Best Tunes in Bethel, Maine can put out any struture you want.

 

We starting to get cold nights again!!!

 

Hank


Edited by wildcat hank - 11/15/12 at 2:44am
post #17 of 23

I'm not sure which shop in New England you had in mind but, in addition to Edgewise, Sport Thoma can do that.  I've usually heard it called a chevron pattern.

post #18 of 23

Artec in NH (google them) can do all sorts ofpatterns on their Montana grinder.

post #19 of 23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcCSHPAPS3U


Edited by Trekchick - 11/15/12 at 4:57pm
post #20 of 23

I've seen Torin from Totem Pole in Ludlow, VT make that structure. 
 

post #21 of 23

 

At Totem Pole we run a Montana Challenge and offer several different Bows or Chverons if you like. The center ski is an Atomic Factory grind and right and left are two of our grinds. I was asked to copy the center grind for a Tech and was using my grinds to write a program to do so. IF you know how to use your machine you can do almost anything.

post #22 of 23
Thread Starter 

Ya we got the numbers from Scott for the left grind.  It's still a fail though as far as replicating wintersteigers thumbprint grind.  I changed the breadth (x,y values) and increased shuttle speed on that pattern and it comes out a lot better, but it's still not what we want.  We have the bow structures pre-programed as well, and all of Montanas recipes on hard copy.  Apparently if you have the software upgrades,  one could copy the TP grind better, but the upgrade costs extra.  I wonder how many montana robots a store would have to buy to get free software upgrades.  We have 5 corporately, and I guess thats not enough.  Wintersteiger on the other hand, upgrades software for free.  

post #23 of 23

Graham Lonetto at Edgewise in Stowe upgraded to a very high end machine last year and has a whole section of photos of grinds on his website  http://www.edgewiseskiservice.com/alpine-race-grind-information/

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