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Salomon X Max 120 vs Quest Max 120

post #1 of 22
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I'm looking at new boots and tried on a couple of Salomons that seem like I'll be able to get a good fit with after a little work. However because the market in this area isn't really for high end gear they will need to order a stiffer boot than they normally stock. I am reasonably certain we can achieve the same fit with either boot but I'm not sure on whether to stick with the more traditional 4 buckle X Max or go with the more freeride oriented Quest Max with its 3 buckle design. Locally I ski almost entirely hard man made snow but when I travel I rarely ski the groomed runs any more. Anyone have any thoughts?
post #2 of 22
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Originally Posted by cstreu1026 View Post

I'm looking at new boots
Anyone have any thoughts?

 

Ask the boot guys?

post #3 of 22
Thoughts? A couple. First off, I'm not convinced the three buckle thing or the three plus a mega booster strap type buckle offers any advantage over a true four buckle boot... Not at all as a matter of fact. Second, you're skiing in Ohio/ the Midwest most of your ski days, so why buy a boot with the idea that it might be better for a trip out west? The boot that fits the best and offers the highest performance for your level of skiing is the right choice. If you were skinning for turns, or doing significant hiking and boot packing over the season, then sure, do the whole walk mode thing. IMHO, the X Max will offer better control and precision from the cuff than the Quest Max.
post #4 of 22

Freeride oriented boots?.....what exactly is a freeride oriented boot? "Freeride" is a term invented by some marketing guy somewhere or other.

 

The difference between any of these boots is the concession between a more rigid coupling between the upper and lower and the firmer liner (X-Max) vs. the cuff hinged, walk/tour mode and lighter, less precise liners in the (Quest).

 

Which do you want?

 

SJ

post #5 of 22

I chose the Impact 120s (more similar to the X max) over the Quest 120s. I am no expert, but from what I understand, the Quests are a little less stiff (I was told more like a 110-115 in the Impact line). They also lack the screws in the back that allow you to adjust the stiffness (used if they get too stiff on a really cold day). 

I think the decision comes down to what you are going to be using them for. If you are hiking the majority of the time, the Quests are your boot, but if not probably the x max. I decided to get the Impacts even though I do some hiking (I maybe average hiking a run a day) because they will be a little better going down the hill and I can put up with a little discomfort hiking. 

post #6 of 22
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

Freeride oriented boots?.....what exactly is a freeride oriented boot? "Freeride" is a term invented by some marketing guy somewhere or other.

 

The difference between any of these boots is the concession between a more rigid coupling between the upper and lower and the firmer liner (X-Max) vs. the cuff hinged, walk/tour mode and lighter, less precise liners in the (Quest).

 

Which do you want?

 

SJ

That's pretty much my take on the whole thing as well.  My biggest concern was 3 buckle vs. 4 buckle.  I tried on the Quest Max 100 and X Max 100 and there is an ever so slightly detectable difference in stiffness.  My biggest concern is that the 3 buckle design just doesn't hold the foot in place as well.  The 4 buckle design of the X max is pretty well proven and I am leaning that way...but I sure do like the looks of the Quest Max.  I know it doesn't matter but I kind of dig the white and green.  At least the X Max 120 looks better than the 100.

post #7 of 22

So do you look at your boots while you're skiing?  smile.gif  Just being silly, but you get my point. Color and looks should be absolutely last on your list of considerations.

post #8 of 22
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I should have no problem getting a good fit in either boot as long as their 360 custom shell lives up to the promises so looks do play a role, especially when I am spending that kind of money on something. So has anyone skied either of the boots?

post #9 of 22

In the end, it sounds like you're willing to give up the performance of 4 buckles for the looks of the 3. Just an observation, not a judgement.

post #10 of 22
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So do you look at your boots while you're skiing?  smile.gif  Just being silly, but you get my point. Color and looks should be absolutely last on your list of considerations.

 

I just went through the process of fitting.  The boot fitter and my foot got me to the X Max 120.  When I was adjusting my bindings last night for the new boots (11 mm shorter bsl), when I got to my Elans (Amphibio 14) my wife came to see what I was doing and said, "Oh my God!  It's not bad enough your boots are so loud.  You had to get a pair to match your skis!"   I thought "Sh!t !  People are going to think I picked these boots because they match my skis!"  eek.gif

 

She then started laughing because she remembered I have to ask her each morning if my clothes matchth_dunno-1[1].gif . I just suck at that.  I haven't been sent back up to change in a few weeks though.  Good thing I work with some of her freinds biggrin.gif.

post #11 of 22

I'm sure there was a thread on here a couple of weeks back in Ask The Boot Guys and one of the experts said that the Quest 120 and X-Max 120 are identical shells. The reservation was about the Quest's 3 buckles as you suggested was a slight concern for you. Forget about freeski, piste etc. boots, most of it is marketing. Good boots are good boots. I've got the X Max 120 and they're excellent.

post #12 of 22

Just a quick follow up as we can't post on the boot guys thread, but if one has a high instep, there's only so much the custom shell can accommodate. There's still a degree of 'you need a round peg for a round hole' in the equation. Holds true for Fischer as well.

post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

In the end, it sounds like you're willing to give up the performance of 4 buckles for the looks of the 3. Just an observation, not a judgment.

Well I like the sole design of the Quest Max but I am leaning towards the X Max because it is a more familiar design.

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Originally Posted by L&AirC View Post

 

I just went through the process of fitting.  The boot fitter and my foot got me to the X Max 120.  When I was adjusting my bindings last night for the new boots (11 mm shorter bsl), when I got to my Elans (Amphibio 14) my wife came to see what I was doing and said, "Oh my God!  It's not bad enough your boots are so loud.  You had to get a pair to match your skis!"   I thought "Sh!t !  People are going to think I picked these boots because they match my skis!"  eek.gif

 

She then started laughing because she remembered I have to ask her each morning if my clothes matchth_dunno-1%5B1%5D.gif . I just suck at that.  I haven't been sent back up to change in a few weeks though.  Good thing I work with some of her freinds biggrin.gif.

Did you end up down sizing the shell?  I initially tried on a 27.5 since that is what I've worn in every boot I've ever owned but after reading up on the boots a little it sounds like a lot people will go down a shell size  so i might have to try a 26.5 before ordering a pair. 

post #14 of 22

I've skied generally in 26.5 before. My bootfitter put me in a 25.5. I couldn't believe how small but they work and feel great.

post #15 of 22

I'm also probably choosing between these two boots, have briefly tried on both.. Coming off a Falcon 10 (with screws removed to soften up some though), so the X-Max seemed like a natural choice. (Issues with the Falcon have been too much forward lean for my liking, and a recent need for some more forefoot width and length, for which it seems the more recent design and moldable chassis should suit very well.)

 

The hike-ability and sole of the Quest Max are appealing, but one other factor that interested me that no one has mentioned, is that "steel wool" mesh used in the liner on the Quest Max, supposedly for increased warmth.. which I must say sounds nice as far as it goes. Anyone have any experience with the Salomon liners with that addition, notice any significant difference in warmth? If it's especially effective, I kind of wonder why they don't also promote it in the X-Max etc. unless it entails other drawbacks.

 

Other thing in favor of the Quest Max 120 around here, turns out most of the shops I was wanting to try out are carrying only that one, and only one of them the X-Max 120. Not sure why that is; maybe it's the cachet of "freeride/all-mountain".

 

In the end, while convenience of purchase, easier walking, & potentially warmer feet all appeal, I expect the 4-buckle fit (seemed like I had to really crank on the cuff of the Quest), plus flex adjustment, will still steer me to the X-Max.

post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

The difference between any of these boots is the concession between a more rigid coupling between the upper and lower and the firmer liner (X-Max) vs. the cuff hinged, walk/tour mode and lighter, less precise liners in the (Quest).

 

Interesting re the liners.. if that's so, seems rather misleading that they both use Salomon's "My CustomFit Race" liners -- you'd think on top of all their different liner version names, they wouldn't mess with shoppers' heads even further and also vary the foam/density for each designated liner depending on the boot. :O

 

Then again, the one also has that "steel wool" the other not, so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.

post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by cstreu1026 View Post


Did you end up down sizing the shell?  I initially tried on a 27.5 since that is what I've worn in every boot I've ever owned but after reading up on the boots a little it sounds like a lot people will go down a shell size  so i might have to try a 26.5 before ordering a pair. 

Yes. I was in a 25.5 in the Kryptons and in the X Max I'm in a 24.5. It isn't just the X Max is sized big; my bsl is also 11 mm shorter. I think the down sizing is if you are going to be molding it. You want the boot a little small so your foot pushes the plastic out during molding. It doesn't contract to your foot. Just in case your round peg isn't perfectly round. I'm hoping to not have to mold the shell. We'll see.
post #18 of 22
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I think I definitely need to try the 26.5 then.
post #19 of 22
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I ended up with the Quest Max 120 in a 26.5. I tried both boots again I'm both 27.5 and 26.5 and the Quest Max was the best fit out of the box.


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post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by cstreu1026 View Post

I ended up with the Quest Max 120 in a 26.5. I tried both boots again I'm both 27.5 and 26.5 and the Quest Max was the best fit out of the box.
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Congrats on the new boots. When snow comes, maybe you can let us know if those steel wool liners seem to keep your feet warmer than usual.. ;)

post #21 of 22

I too am coming off Falcon 10's. Really liked the boot-only gripe was that they were not very warm, and the soles were non replaceable. Last week I  tore the flap off where the bail attaches on the 2nd buckle of the upper cuff-so time for new boots (yes it was a bad crash!).

 

I tried on many boots yesterday and ended up with the Quest Max 120. I haven't skied them yet, but the 3 buckle config seemed pretty rock solid in the shop-. I went down to a 26.0 from a 26.5 in the Falcons. Fit out of box seemed very close to the Falcon 10s-except for a little bit more room over the instep. My local shop (Roundhouse in Bozeman) was out of my size in the regular 120 max, so I went for the Quest. have not done any mods- I like to hike for turns from time to time so the walk mode and grippy soles might be useful.

 

I won't get to try them out until next week. Seems like a nice boot.

post #22 of 22
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Having skied the Quest Max all season now I don't think the boot has the power I am use to in a 4 buckle boot but its really only noticable on the burliest of skis.  For anything less than a race course it has been a good boot but I may look at a X Max 130 down the road.

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