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post #1 of 26
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  It's not necessarily the most popular thing in modern skiing (Rocker and Powder and Rails, oh my!!), but I couldn't help myself...I'm addicted. In light of recent threads, I'd like to hear everyone's take--What is your favorite carving medium (snow)?? Favorite carving run?? Favorite carving ski?? Carving hero(ine)?? Other carving thoughts also welcomed! I wanna hear from the pros here on epic, about your personal preferences!

 

  P.s. I hope this isn't too broad (this is my first thread starting experience). As some of you may have noticed, I'm new to epic ski, and am passionate about our sportbiggrin.gif

post #2 of 26

Medium: hard snow

Run: Steep but not too steep, and not crowded

Ski: >27m FIS

post #3 of 26
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Medium: hard snow

Run: Steep but not too steep, and not crowded

Ski: >27m FIS

I'll add to that anything GS'ish as I'm on a 23m ski (not enough hill time). icon14.gif

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Originally Posted by Jamt View Post

Medium: hard snow

Run: Steep but not too steep, and not crowded

Ski: >27m FIS

Same for me, except that I don't care if it's "too steep", just that there's no people around, that snow is hard and I can be fast :) And that this year it's not 27m anymore for me, but 35m... I guess it's my bad luck that I need to give skis back on the end of season, which means no free 27m skis anymore.th_dunno-1[1].gif
As for OP statement... I agree this might not be most popular anymore, but I would change fresh powder for icy empty groomed run anytime without even thinking twice :)

post #5 of 26

Interesting Primoz. I assume you don't race anymore, so why do you prefer 35m to 27? Is it just because you have free access to 35?

How do you compare the two for "recreactional" skiing?

post #6 of 26

I'm kinda laughing because I just switch to the 10/11 FIS GS (23m) women's radius for a recreational ski from an old straight GS ski of about 40-45m radius and about 30cm shorter.

 

Love both, just have to ski them different.  Both will do the same the smaller radius definitely adds to the fun factor as I age (less work).

 

I wonder how many of the racers are going to be looking at the old video of races in years past to get hints on how to ski fast.

 

Maybe I should have waited and I wouldn't have had to change skis at all roflmao.gif

 

Nows my chance to dominate the WC circuit......NOT.

post #7 of 26

I like pretty hard artificial snow that will hold any edge angle you throw at it.

The hill should not be so steep that I hit warp speed when carving 2g turns.

Obviously I don't want what Austrailian windsurfers call "thuds" in front of me.

When I'm really in a mood I love my old race stock Atomic LT's

These skis are very soft and won't turn unless you pressure them just right.

They have already shattered a US Womens Ski Team member's pelvis so I use them with great respect.

I'm hoping my new used Kastle RX's will also have unlimited top end.

For those older carvers like me, if you haven't experienced a women's 21m race stock board, you don't know what the real deal is about.

We are not talking user friendly here.

post #8 of 26

I am certainly no pro, but here goes.  Hardpack for sure, on any smooth undulating run.  Why undulating?  I love the extra feeling of lightness of the skis as my knees come up, and the acceleration of doing down each "wave" of the undulating hill.  A wider hill helps if my legs are shot, since controlling speed then consists of brain dead arcing more of the turn, almost up the hill, before starting the next turn.  This definitely won't work on crowded early season WRODs.  Favorite ski?  You can now carve almost anything, although I'd never get rid of those old 63-68 mm waist skis with a SL or GS radii.  They were great for last year, weren't they?

 

post #9 of 26
Forget Powder ("the skier's magazine")....




Send money--subscriptions are available, and operators are standing by!

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post #10 of 26
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Forget Powder ("the skier's magazine")....

Send money--subscriptions are available, and operators are standing by!
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  Dude...that's friggin awesome!!!roflmao.gifI need a poster of that for my shop!!

post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by Jamt View Post

Interesting Primoz. I assume you don't race anymore, so why do you prefer 35m to 27? Is it just because you have free access to 35?

How do you compare the two for "recreactional" skiing?


No I definitely don't race :) Thing is, I would be much happier with old 27m skis, or even women 23m skis. They are a bit slower, which means a bit easier to handle, when there's more people on hill (just as disclaimer before someone jumps on me for being irresponsible idiot for going down 100km/h when there's full course... with more I don't mean so many I need to ski slalom between them). But problem is, that I can't get them from guys I know. Their numbers need to match on end of season, which means I get pair or two out of current stack of skis which their athletes have, I use them for winter, and I need to give them back on end of winter. Normally that's actually good thing, since this way I get new skis every year, but with this rule change, it also means, I get new 35m skis and not old 27m. And since those friends that get me this are in men WC, it also means I can't get women skis, which would be, at least in this case better option. But what the hell... you get used to them and it's not all that bad :)

As far as comparison goes, they are not all that much different. They ski very very similar, so it's not big deal. When you go between the gates, difference is bigger, but for recreational free skiing, difference is pretty small. Definitely way smaller then I though on beginning before I tried them for the first time.

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Originally Posted by oldschoolskier View Post

I wonder how many of the racers are going to be looking at the old video of races in years past to get hints on how to ski fast.

None ;) New skis, even if they have kinda similar radius to 10+ years old skis, ski completely different then those from times of Tomba did. But I guess there was thread or two about this here on Epicski, so let's not go there even in this one :)

 

 

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Forget Powder ("the skier's magazine")....

Sweet! I would actually consider subscription to something like this :)

post #12 of 26

It was meant with homour.

 

Still, I suspect something could be gained, but I think its going to be a combination of the two.  Who ever finds the best solution first is going to do best this season.  I don't think the advantage will last much longer than that given modern video technology and detailed analysis.

 

I do suspect the style will change a bit and follow a bit on the older lines.  It will be interesting to watch.

 

Remember my comments come from just have gone shorter, and very much notice the difference.  I not complaining,  just each skis different and greatly appreciate that I can ski both equally well (not WC level except in my dreams).

 

But all aside, carving railway tracks on hard pack with complete control is just the thing no matter what the ski is biggrin.gif.

post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by zentune View Post

  It's not necessarily the most popular thing in modern skiing (Rocker and Powder and Rails, oh my!!), but I couldn't help myself...I'm addicted. In light of recent threads, I'd like to hear everyone's take--What is your favorite carving medium (snow)?? Favorite carving run?? Favorite carving ski?? Carving hero(ine)?? Other carving thoughts also welcomed! I wanna hear from the pros here on epic, about your personal preferences!

 

  P.s. I hope this isn't too broad (this is my first thread starting experience). As some of you may have noticed, I'm new to epic ski, and am passionate about our sportbiggrin.gif

 

Welcome to Epic Zen! 

 

Medium=corduroy; ski=slalom; slope=wide and empty; hero=anyone who can boot out and live to tell the tale. It's not all that complicated.

post #14 of 26

It is true that wider skis don't boot out...

Booting out is natures way of saying you need harder snow!

post #15 of 26

Carving, isn't that what separates the best from the rest biggrin.gif?

 

Medium:  Barely softening corn snow

Ski:  Anything with camber, sidecut & some torsional stiffness

Slope:  One with huge vertical

Carving hero:  Right now I would have to say Hirscher, but in October it was Ligety for a few weeks... & the day before that it was Tina Maze

 

JF

 

PS.  Hard snow carving is great, but I ain't trading it for a powder day!

post #16 of 26
Thread Starter 

  Nice replies, guys!! Keep em coming...I'll share mine laterbiggrin.gif!!! (wanna hear more!!! Good to know people are still "starvin' fer sum carvin'"!!!

post #17 of 26
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Carving, isn't that what separates the best from the rest biggrin.gif?

 

Anyone can be a carving skier!

post #18 of 26
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Anyone can be a carving skier!

  Oh no you di'n'teek.gif!!.....smile.gif

post #19 of 26

I learned to carve during my last two times out.  I knew through last winter that something wasn't right, so I did some reading on the subject.  pretty sweet looking up at my tracks today and seeing gouged lines instead of skidded sweeps.  got a long way to go but it feels good.

 

On my last run of the day today at Loveland there was hardly anyone around so I had a long blue run all to myself.  It was the best run of the day and the best run for carving.

post #20 of 26

With Thanksgiving around the corner I'll ask:   How do you carve turkey turns? th_dunno-1[1].gifbiggrin.gif

post #21 of 26
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Anyone can be a carving skier!

I guess that depends on your definition of carving popcorn.gif

post #22 of 26

I spent a few decades searching for the perfect carve, my motivation being a need for speed.   Ironically when the shaped "carving" skis were becoming all the rage, I was more interested in learning how to ski sideways, proper bump technique, etc. something I never did bother much with before.

 

As to conditions and skis, I really do like it all.  The perfect medium and ski depends on the run.  Usually it's fairly hard snow, but not so hard that the edge doesn't sink in about 1/2 to 1 inches.  If the hill is big steep and open, then I want my SGs and an icy fast surface.  If the hill is small, then it's SL skis and fresh cord. 

post #23 of 26
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I guess that depends on your definition of carving popcorn.gif

 



Unfortunately, the definition of carving used by many here is so restrictive and outcome based it is of little use in the real world.

 

fom

post #24 of 26
Thread Starter 

  O.k., I guess I started this so...I do like a nice, firm surface. Maybe best would be a little ice on the surface (not too much, thoughwink.gif), with a nice dense layer underneath  (just no chalky stuff), preferably on a run /mountain that sees regular, consistent grooming. My ideal run should have a variety of pitches and lots of good terrain features to keep me on my toes (rollers and off camber stuff here and there). If it's got the vert., I would most certainly want my 23m cheater gs's...if there's less room, my 165 sl's, of course. Carving hero is too tough for me to say for certain, but Ligety does put down some incredible angles!!!! ( Anyone see solden this year, BTW?? 2.75! Snow looked kinda funky...)  If it's softer though, I'm more than happy to ski the Mantrassmile.gif Great responses everyone! Happy Turkey carvingwink.gif

post #25 of 26
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I guess that depends on your definition of carving 

First you have to have razor sharp edges.

Next you have to take paper thin slices through the 'Bird.

Note: White meat is easier to carve than dark meat.

post #26 of 26

My old director told me around the time that shapes were first getting to be skiable (1994-5ish)

 

"Funny thing, if you can't carve a turn on straight skis you can't carve a turn on shaped skis either."

 

I've got rossi cut 110s, with about a 9 meter radius. They are about a hoot and a half to get going on a wide trail and carve 360s on. It's almost like going weightless approaching the top of the circle hoping you have enough speed to ride it around. 

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