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I have a pair of size 25 Salomon X3 130 that have a snug fit with shell fit of about a finger width behind the heel with my toes touching the front of the boot, and I have a little side-to-side wiggle on the front of the foot with heel touching the back of the boot.  The original X3 liners are very packed out, but before this occurred, I loved the boots.  Since I like the way the boot fits and skis, I bought a Conformable lace-up liner (with tongue) hoping to give the boots a new life.  The liner was formed at a shop by a boot-fitter using the usual methods for fitting, but it seemed to me that the liner was way too thick.  The boot-fitter had to stuff the liner in with a screw driver where the front of the boot closes over the arch.  The boot-fitter assured me that the liner was correct despite the large volume in relation to the already tight (as in good) fit of the boot.

 

I’ve used the boots with the new liner for several days hoping that things would pack out a bit, but each time I use them, things seems worse.  When I buckle the boots, the top of the boots over the arch (second buckle from the bottom) close but with little room to spare (some of the black weather stripping still sticks out).  My toes push against the front of the liner, which has not caused problems yet, but I do feel some discomfort when I get in the occasional “back seat” and push my foot forward – this was not the case before.  I also have some discomfort on the top of my foot over the arch that was not there before.  In addition, I’m getting discomfort under my arch with a feeling that the sides of my feet are being pushed inward from both sides (not enough room on the sides) with cramping when I’m not skiing (I use the same footbed as before).  I’m starting to think that the liner is just too thick despite what the boot-fitter said.

 

So my questions are:

  1.  Should I give the liner some more time?
  2. Should I try a liner with less volume, such as an Intuition FX Race?
  3. Other options?
post #2 of 7

1)  maybe, but odds are it will not get much better

2) yup

3)  did you remove all foot beds from the new liner?   moved buckles bigger/wider?   thinner socks?

post #3 of 7
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Originally Posted by mntlion View Post

1)  maybe, but odds are it will not get much better

kind of what I thought

 

2) yup

 

3)  did you remove all foot beds from the new liner?   moved buckles bigger/wider?   thinner socks?

 

Foot beds removed.  Buckles as wide as can be.  Resorted to paper thin silk socks  - can't get any thinner

Thanks for the response

post #4 of 7

Have you considered having the liners redone by someone else before you invest in another pair?  If you want stop by the store in Calgary if you come in and we'll try to help.  Wasn't aware anyone was selling Conformable liners locally.  PM me if you like.

 

Lou

post #5 of 7
Thread Starter 

Thanks Lou.  Re-forming the liner is probably the best first step.  I'll go back to the shop where I purchased the liners.  If that doesn't work, I'll seriously consider a thinner liner, such as the Intuition FX Race.

post #6 of 7

We sell Intuition liners and have the race liner in stock, but I also sold Conformables for years and can't say I had the problem you are referring to, at least not when compared to Intuition.  Both liners can feel too thick if they are not molded at high enough heat. 

 

If you still have problems come into Calgary when you have a chance and we'll look at everything for you.

 

Lou

post #7 of 7
Thread Starter 

As a follow-up on the Conformable liners

 

I brought the liners back to the shop  where I bought them.  The Boot fitter heated the toe area and stretched it, but did not re-fit the whole liner.  After that, I still had the same issues with too much volume in the liner.  They were still way too tight after skiing several more days with the boots and liners, and my feet were still painful and cold when skiing.

 

As a last try, I used the home fitting method outlined on the Intuition webpage using rice in a sock heated in a microwave, and then I used the sock/rice to heat the inside of the liner.  (see the intuition website - the directions are easy to follow)  I also clamped the boot a bit tighter than was originally done.  

 

Now the liners are working great and have an excellent firm, but not too tight, fit.  They are much warmer than the original boot liners and are comfortable. The heal pocket holds great.  No more top of foot pain or cramping under the arch.

 

I suspect that when formed the first time, there was insufficient heat and perhaps the boots were not tightened enough to compress adequately. 

 

Thanks for the suggestion to re-fit the liners.

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