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Ski Vise for Rockered Skis

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
I've got a Toko vise that opens fairly wide - up to 130 mm or more I'm thinking. The only problem is the end supports are too high for a lot of the modern powder skis. They're fine for regular cambered skis. But if the ski is low camber or rockered they hold the skis too high for the vise.

Am I missing something? Any suggestions on how to rectify the problem or on a better vise system for pow skis?
post #2 of 15

I looked up Toko ski vises and there were too many alternatives to figure out which one you are talking about.  I have the Ski Man Pro and although it won't open to 130, I just use the center grabber to grab the binding plate on my powder skis and it's fine.  I bought it before skis were this wide, otherwise I'd have gotten its cousin.  In any case, the ends have adjustable height and I've never had an issue.  Is THIS the one you have?  I see that the ends don't adjust.  That's your problem, not sure how to get around it...possibly adding a block to your tuning bench that raises the top edge of the hard surface a bit without being so wide that you can't get the clamp on?

post #3 of 15

I use clamps that are generally used for wood a metal working called De Stacco clamps, separate models push down or laterally. you can barely see them on the large blocks at the ends of the bench. they will hold any width

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ski flat or on edge (in a cut slot) and are fairly inexpensive, about $15 ea.

post #4 of 15

 I'm cheap and so is my tuning stuff. For edge tuning the ski is held in a pair of cheap padded vises or two slotted blocks of wood clamped to the bench. For base tuning, repair and hot waxing the skis rest bottom up on blocks of wood covered with non skid (available at any RV store) and the blocks are clamped in the vises. No need to clamp the ski edge to edge as the non skid holds just fine especially when the binding butts up against the blocks so the ski can't slide back or forth.. I have scrap pieces of wood stacked under the upside down tips and tails to stop the ski from bending when I work on it. It doesn't matter how big or rockered the ski is. Total investment $20.

post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks Sibhusky. Actually my ends are adjustable. This is my set up. 

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However they won't adjust low enough for a ski that doesn't have regular camber when I'm working on the base. I suppose I could just put a piece of plywood under the center vise.  I must say I'm intrigued by the ski man pro now that I've looked it up.  Do you have rockered skis? Do your end pieces adjust so that they are low enough for them?

post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 

The "Jaws of the Beast" looks interesting. Apparently it clamps on to the binding plate or binding. This would seem to solve the problem.  Anyone used the beast on super-fat skis?

post #7 of 15

I have early rise.  So, might not be rockered enough.  As I recall, I had to move my end vises inward towards the center for some reason when I first got them, maybe that had something to do with it?  ....I went downstairs and took at look at that, and am thinking it might have been ski length, NOT camber, that caused that move.    

 

However, the vises you have pictured in your post had a description saying they were a fixed height:

 

Tip and tail supports are fixed height.

 

Mine have a thumbwheel on them to adjust the height.  In your picture I am not seeing where you adjust the height.  But maybe the picture is deceiving.  

 

Possibly because I am grabbing the binding plate, I have at least 1/4" MORE ability to lower the end supports beyond where they currently are.  Eyeballing the ski, it appears to be pretty much uncambered end to end in the vises, i.e. no arc.  I can see where there might be some skis that might not fit in this vise (?) but maybe by moving the ends in a bit they would rest on the supports.  Sure a pain in the neck if not.  

post #8 of 15

Exactly what I do with mine.  I have the exact same problem and I just jack up the center vise with a piece of wood.  I have the skiman ends (vise is swix) and they don't adjust low enough to fix the issue... granted mine are pretty old vises, so maybe the newer ones have changed, but just raise the center vise and your problem should be fixed.

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I suppose I could just put a piece of plywood under the center vise.  I must say I'm intrigued by the ski man pro now that I've looked it up.  Do you have rockered skis? Do your end pieces adjust so that they are low enough for them?
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks very much for the help.  I tried clamping the centre vise onto the binding plate/AFD.  Works perfect.  In fact, as far as getting a firm grip that doesn't get in the way of things, I think it works better.

 

Problem solved!

post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by Philwilhelm View Post

Thanks very much for the help.  I tried clamping the centre vise onto the binding plate/AFD.  Works perfect.  In fact, as far as getting a firm grip that doesn't get in the way of things, I think it works better.

 

Problem solved!

Me, too, but it probably depends on the particular binding you have.  

post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by Castle Dave View Post

 I'm cheap and so is my tuning stuff. For edge tuning the ski is held in a pair of cheap padded vises or two slotted blocks of wood clamped to the bench. For base tuning, repair and hot waxing the skis rest bottom up on blocks of wood covered with non skid (available at any RV store) and the blocks are clamped in the vises. No need to clamp the ski edge to edge as the non skid holds just fine especially when the binding butts up against the blocks so the ski can't slide back or forth.. I have scrap pieces of wood stacked under the upside down tips and tails to stop the ski from bending when I work on it. It doesn't matter how big or rockered the ski is. Total investment $20.

This is basically how I turned my old vices into a universal width and rockered ski setup.  I used small pieces of 2x4 and 2x6 to make platforms that would clamp into the vices and covered the platforms with pieces of old neoprene knee supports with the sticky side up.  You could easily do the same thing without using vices and any non-slippery material.  I drilled a hole in my table between the vices and ran a strap through with a cinch buckle (any width strap from 1/4' - 1" will work).  I simply lay the ski on the platforms, run the strap under the toe piece wings and tighten it down.  The ski is secure for edge filing, waxing and scraping.  You can do two skis side by side if you want, just make the platforms a little wider.

post #12 of 15

I am shocked to learn that everyone is still using a vice. I long ago switched to two T-shaped brackets with rubber on top and a slot in the middle to grip the ski on edge. If I do need to clamp a flat ski instead of using the rubber friction, I use spring loaded plastic clamps. The brackets clamp to variety of table thickness, are made of Zytel (plastic/nylon composite) so they are strong and light and are great for travelling.

 

I bought them from a snowboard shop. They were what the shop was using to work on snowboards and weren't actually for sale, but they agreed to sell me an extra set that they had.

post #13 of 15

I grip the binding on my wider skis. One other option would be to put a block of wood between the top of the bench and the top bench jaw of the center  clamp, thus raising the ski jaws.  Most ski vises open wide enough to do this, unless you have a 4 inch thick woodworker's bench, which you shouldn't be messing up by tuning skis on it anyways. 

post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 
I'm intrigued by the Eggbar vise. Does anyone have any experience with it or comments?
post #15 of 15

I have a 7 year old Ski-Man vise from Racewax.com that has two posts with rubber pads on top that you lay the ski across, and then there is a center clamp with a strap that pulls the middle of the ski down firmly against the rubber pads and retains the brake. It works fine with any skis. I see that the new model is around $70.

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