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new dalbello fusions are killing me

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After about175 days on my salomon falcons i broke down and retired them. Unfortunately it felt like the plastic was actually getting softer, if that's possible. They fit like a glove. My only complaint, if i had one, was they would get very soft on a warm day and like a rock when it hit very cold. I assume that is an issue with all boots though.

my shop put me into some fusions with intuition liners. They felt nice and snug. I am neurotic about any slop in a boot so i liked the idea of liner that could mold nicely to my feet.

After my first run the outside of each foot was in a ton of pain, all the way around to the toes. The area near my arch was on fire as well. I use custom non posted footbeds. After a couple more runs i was in even more pain. Furthermore, i started to feel like i was swimming in the toe box. It is a98 last, which is perfect for me. The issue was up and down. I could literally curl my tires under the ball of my feet. I also started to feel like my heel was coming up.

I cranked the second buckle (one with the cable) down and that helped to lock the heel but caused more pain. I also found that cranking the first buckle down helped to reduce some of the space near my toes. Ya, that didn't feel to good neither. I am having a hard time with this because i could ski the falcons practically unbuckled. I am going to ski them again tomorrow but could use some advice. Thx Pete.
post #2 of 7

are the falcoms and new boots the same size?


same footbeds?


where the dalbellos better with buckles looser?  or tighter?  any way to get rid of the pain, other then removing boots?

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The boots are the same size and I used my custom footbeds.  I went back to the shop and I could tell that my fitter hated the areas where I was having pain.  His concern was that the boot may have too much volume in the to box (up and down, not width).  I told him that I would go out for another day and try them, just to be sure.  I also would completely unbuckle them this time on the chair ride up.  


So day two.  Unbuckling certainly settled the feet down so I could at least stay on the slopes a bit longer, but the pain while skiing was brutal.  My arches seemed to not hurt as much, or it may just have been masked by the torture being felt on the entire outside of the boot.  I found that after my sixth turn I was curling my toes under the ball to try to stabilize the forefoot.  Skiing relaxed was fine but I couldnt lay the ski on edge to save my life.  


After a half dozen runs, the pain did me in.  I went back to the shop and asked for help.  After some discussion, the fitter determined that there was just way to much room in there.  The weird thing is that when we originally fitted the boot and heated the Intuition liner, I had to put on a toe cap to be certain that my toes would have a little wiggle room.  When the liner was completed, things felt real snug.  



I told the fitter, "well, let's take up that space".  He made a funny face and said, "you need a different boot.  I can pad it if you want, but that is just going to lead to more problems down the road."


After trying a bunch of boots, the Lang RX 130 was the best, although I still had room up and down in the toe box.  Not nearly as bad as before, but enough to talk about.  He pulled the liner out, had me step in the shell again, then came back with another Lang RX.  This time it was a full size smaller.  I was like come on dude, you guys already have me in a boot that is a full size smaller than my foot.  He explained that he could get two fingers into the 27.5 and  1.5 fingers in the 26.5.  He explained that for a truly snug fit, the 1.5 finger test is usually a very good indicator.  So I tried it.  Well, the fit was snug, real snug.  But in a twisted sort of way I really liked it.  My big toe was  bumping up against the front more than before, which had me a bit concerned, but he assured my that once we got the fit right and the heel locked in, I would be fine.  When I leaned forward just a bit, the pressure on the toe was pretty much gone.  


SO now I am freaking out.............a 130 boot in a size 8ish shoe; and I'm a 10 that was skiing in 110 flex.  Granted I would crush the 110 once in a while, usually on a very hard turn, warmer day or hitting a rut.  He felt that I would benefit from the 130, because when he tested my ankle movement, I had quite a bit more motion than most.  A stiffer boot supposedly would help limit some of that over flexing I sometimes encountered.  


We also made a new footbed.  When he looked at mine, there was quite a bit of space between the arch and the footbed (he noticed that one the day before).  He explained that they use a slightly different method now; flexing the toes, thus raising the arch during molding to a more natural, non-collapsed position.  It should reduce the displacement of my foot when I put pressure on it.  My current footbeds are four years old, so my feet may have changed a bit as well.  


I have yet to try the new setup because I had to leave and the poor guy needed some lunch.  The footbed had to cool and needed trimming anyway.  I will be back next week to test it all out.  


So, am I on the right track, or in for more pain? :)


BTW, great shop with great people.  

Edited by peterk123 - 11/12/12 at 5:25am
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     You could also try this----since the Lange has 4 buckles, try tightening the second buckle from the top until it hurts---then back off till it is 

just comfortable(you may have to use the micro adjuster to get it just right).  This buckle is the only one on the boot which can hold your heel back in the heel pocket of the boot.  


     Do not tighten the 2 buckles on top of your feet---they can only put your feet to sleep.  If you have the second buckle tight you could ski just fine with the 2 lower ones open, it would not make any difference in your skiing.  Put the power strap inside the shell around the tongue and liner and then snug up the top buckle around all of that.


     Trust the fitter, it sound like you are heading in the right direction.



post #5 of 7
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Thanks.  I used to be able to keep the two buckles on my Falcons completely loose.  Tightened just enough to keep snow out.  It looks like the Langes will work the same way.  I really like the idea about cranking that buckle and then letting off on it until it is comfortable.  


I will have to look at the boot with regards to the power strap.  If I understand correctly, I should not strap the front of the shell, just the tongue.  Pete

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I think I understand.  The strap will probably restrict movement if it around the front of the shell as well. 

post #7 of 7

     With the strap inside the shell, it will snugly secure the liner and tongue around your leg and the boot will be more responsive.  Try doing one boot with the strap on the outside and the other strap around only the tongue and liner with the top buckle around that, to see the difference.  



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