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Salomon x-max -how well do they mold?

post #1 of 9
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Looking at x-max 120.  Its a bit roomy over the forefoot, a bit tight over the instep, and a bit roomy where the leg shaft meets the foot.  Just wondering how the custom shell conforms to the top of the foot.  I know its not supposed to go in, but that said when you are tightening the buckles down does the softened shell pull in /down to conform to the upper profile of the foot. If not would putting a shim on top of the bootboard be a better option -assuming it will give enough over the instep.  Any molding insights regarding padding, toe caps etc would be appreciated.

 

Thanks

post #2 of 9
Have the xmax 120 and have put 4 hours of skiing on them only but will offer my thoughts thus far. Fit my foot shape and leg shape quite well. I'm undecided on the molding part yet, my left one seems great, snug everywhere and no pressure points. My right boot however is not as good a fit ... yet. I have a nasty pressure point on the outside of my right heel. Never had it in any other boots I've owned. Took only 4 or 5 runs to show itself. Seem to have some sort of hard bump on my foot in that area and the liner is pretty thin there in regards to padding. May have to have the boot heat molded again, or try a donut pad or even have it ground out. I have the red Superfeet in place of the stock insole and may try a switch to see if it moves my issue area enough so as not to bother. Overall though the boot has a nice even flex while skiing and is very light in weight.

Are you using stock insoles, footbeds, orthotics? I have a high arch and it's a tight fit across the top of my foot, almost too tight. I have removed the hard plastic boot board to check for space and a shim could go in there pretty easily I think if needed. I'm no boot fitter though, dunno the recommended practice there.

Regards,

Steve
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Before moulding did the boot fit quite well, or is a lot of the fit from the moulding process itself, or is it just fine tuning the original fit? 

 

For myself the heel countour is not bad, the deeper heel pocket is better for me and gives me extra toe room I typically don't get.  Volume is just a bit big in some spots though, as mentioned in first post.  I'm using either an insta print footbed or a ski orthodic as I've got both.  I like the feel of the flex in the store and the shell contour of the inside of the leg is quite good. For over the instep some grinding can be done on the tongue as it has a built up bump for that purpose.  My local shop has only done a couple yet so they have not really figured out their potential yet in my opinion.  Given they can't shrink back like the Fischer, I want to have a good idea of how they can set them up for giving best fit befor dropping my $.

 

For your heel my understanding is they can also pad sore spots prior to molding as well -don't think I would want to be the first one in the store to have it done though.

 

Thanks

post #4 of 9
The boot did fit quite well before the heat moulding. Sized down from my previous boots 28.5 to a 27 but it's a totally different shell. I would say the heat process is more of a fine tuning thing. It will help the tight spots more so than the loose. I have yet to speak with the shop about my troubles and what they may suggest I try. The pad then the heat may work. Not sure how many times a guy can heat them up either.


Probably not much help to you, sorry. Different fit problems.rolleyes.gif

Have you tried many other boots yet?
post #5 of 9
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It's helpful in that it gives me a better idea of what the boot fit can deliver -the boot fitters sometimes over estimate what to expect on new tech so it dosn't hurt if I know what is reasonable to expect.  Had high hopes for for fischer last year, but too short for my foot as it was either a tight race fit or next size up which was a boat.

 

I tend to have feet that don't get a good performance fit. More of a duck foot, shorter foot is also narrower. Higher arch, but small leg shaft.  The Salomon is good for length, and not bad overall, which is better than most boots.  So far this year tried salomon, atomic, fischer, dalbello (not new krypton yet).  So far x-max felt best if I can get rid of some excess volume.  Have to try Lange yet.  Currently in technica demon, with boot doc foam liner but foam is too soft, and probably is too much foam for my purposes.  Looking for more performance than current setup, but most shells tend to be bad fit to start with.  More of a doberman foot except they are a PITA to try and get on and half the time I get a foot cramp from forcing my foot into a shell like that.

 

Thanks

post #6 of 9
Feel the need to add to my earlier posts. I have since worn my boots (in my living room mind you) with two types of ski socks, factory insoles then superfeet red cut to fit insoles. The heel pain does not present itself as I'm not exerting skiing type forces on my foot but now I seem to have a lot of pressure on the top of each foot above my arches. Actually causing my three outside toes to go numb in about half an hour. Thinking I'm going back to the store and doing another heat mould and flex the boots more this time. May have to have them shave down the boot board too or some other maneuver to accommodate my high arch. Tricky thing this fitting process. rolleyes.gif
post #7 of 9

salomon custom shell 360 is designed to relax a bit on your hard bony spots. for this purpose it works well.

 

it is not designed to get tighter in loose fitting spots.

 

it also runs a tad on the large size in both length and forefoot width. many of the magazine boot testers found that they were able to get their feet into the next shell size down, and achieve good skiing comfort by heat molding the shell.

 

for me i could not get my measured size tight enough during initial try -on, so i went down a shell size, heat molded it and the boot worked great.

 

as a bootfitter this does not mean that you automaticallydown size anyone that is looking at this boot. it's best use is too find the foot that measures big in the range for length and girth and suggest these boots appropriately.

 

jim

post #8 of 9

Anyone know what the heel retention is like on these. I am currently using Impact 120 boot CS, which are great for my platypus feet, but the heel retention sucks. My boot fitter keeps inserting more shims, but it still slips.

 

Wondering if the new 360 moldable shell improved on the issue.

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Originally Posted by jeffc7 View Post

Anyone know what the heel retention is like on these. I am currently using Impact 120 boot CS, which are great for my platypus feet, but the heel retention sucks. My boot fitter keeps inserting more shims, but it still slips.

 

Wondering if the new 360 moldable shell improved on the issue.

When I tried them on I thought they had a good heel pocket, and countoured my inside leg very well.  I had tried impact last year and was not in love with the fit.  Can't remember details but I recall tecnica inferno 130 was better fit in the back of boot.  You should find them to be a longer shell fit than the impact IIRC.

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