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Duke, Baron, other freeride binding?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
So, as of a few hours ago Ive have a pair of Volkl Shiros heading towards my house, however, I still need to sort out bindings. Last season I luckily had the chance to spend four days doing 'proper' side and something leaning towards back country skiing in Chamonix (mainly ski in Europe, maybe canada every two years). Obviously, it was an absolute blast and I intend to do more of it, but no proper touring / long back country trips (yet?), Im definately more about going down than up.

So Ive been looking into those freeride bindings that offer a short trip touring function (Im aware that for longer trips theyll be a bit too heavy), but am as of yet undecided which one to go for, Ive got plenty of time as I dont expect to be hitting any serious powder until february.

My weight: 72kgs (I think thats about 165-70lbs???)
Skier type: Going by the binding chart I'd be a type 3 skier (the chart Im used to in europe is 1-3 & 3+, 3+ being able to ski every type of terrain aggresively and at high speeds, 3 involving a little less of each?).

The bindings of the category that I was most familiar with would be the Marker Duke & the Baron ( I used the Duke for the 4 days on someone elses skis). Im aware that Atomic and Salomon have also released similar bindings, and that Fritschi Freeride pros are also similar (although I believe they're more akin to the marker f12 touring bindings?), but Ive not been able to find many detailed reviews of them so far.

My main concern is whether considering my weight (Im probably towards the lighter than average trend) and reasonably good ability I should go for a 'lighter' skiers' binding like the Baron, or whether something stronger like the Duke makes more sense? Any input and info about the oher manufacturer's bindkngs would also be great.

Thanks for any input/help/funny/snide remarks.


Lukas
post #2 of 10

The Salomon/Atomic... no need to remove the ski to change modes. A lot of places you ski will have ups/short downs and extended traverses. Haven't seen the new Tyrolia binding yet though.

post #3 of 10
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

The Salomon/Atomic... no need to remove the ski to change modes. A lot of places you ski will have ups/short downs and extended traverses. Haven't seen the new Tyrolia binding yet though.

what he said and the fact that salomon guardians will not aquire the dreaded "duke slop" often found on dukes after being used in tour mode for a while as the pivot in the guardian runs on bushings, IIRC. also, stack height is 35mm compared to 25 or 26 mm on the guardian. the guardian do weigh more, however.

post #4 of 10

A caveat about the Salomon Guardian AT binding, it uses a fixed rather than a sliding ADF in the toe piece, hence it is not suitable for using with a boot using anything other than a DIN compliant boot sole.  Article here at Wild Snow http://www.wildsnow.com/8495/salomon-guardian-boots-backcountry/

post #5 of 10

I'm in a very similar situation. I have a pair of Atomic Automatics on the way and I need to decide on which binding I want to mount on them. I'm 5'10", 220lbs so I don't really care about the weight, I just want something that is super solid on the way down and reliable on the way up. That said, I have basically narrowed it down to the Duke or the Guardian/Tracker. I will be doing a lot of resort and side country skiing at Big White, Revy and Apex and a few 1-3 day tours.

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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

The Salomon/Atomic... no need to remove the ski to change modes. A lot of places you ski will have ups/short downs and extended traverses. Haven't seen the new Tyrolia binding yet though.

 

I would go with these, also...I just mounted them on my Codys myself!

 

I was able to find a few reviews, and they just seem to be a wee bit better than the Dukes.  The shorter stack height and the ability to change modes on the fly sold me...as well as how burly they are on the downhill.  

 

Probably too heavy for longer tours, though....but if you were concerned about weight, you wouldn't be considering the Duke, either.

post #7 of 10

The difference in weight between the Duke and the Guardian is negligible.  Especially mounted on heavier skis like the Shiro.  The stack height is also just like a regular binding (or close to it).

 

If you do a search there's a couple of highly detailed discussions about all of the various binding options in this category.

post #8 of 10
Thread Starter 
Cheers guys, I suppose that I should have asked is whether there's a difference between the bindings like the Baron for lighter skiers or the duke besides DIN/release setting? Are there versions of these from the other manufacturers or should I not bother with that difference and just ddcide on which of the different manufacturer's bindings I want?


Lukas
post #9 of 10

Check this thread out - it wanders a bit but eventually we get into some specific details.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/112192/salomon-guardian-atomic-tracker-vs-tyrolia-adrenelin-and-whatever-fischer-is-calling-theirs

post #10 of 10
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Originally Posted by Mr Norco View Post

I'm in a very similar situation. I have a pair of Atomic Automatics on the way and I need to decide on which binding I want to mount on them. I'm 5'10", 220lbs so I don't really care about the weight, I just want something that is super solid on the way down and reliable on the way up. That said, I have basically narrowed it down to the Duke or the Guardian/Tracker. I will be doing a lot of resort and side country skiing at Big White, Revy and Apex and a few 1-3 day tours.

according to this, you might rather have something like tech bindings. 3 day trips would take a lot of energy with two and a half kilogram bindings added to the inefficient walk mode and flexy frames.

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