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Forget the 1 Ski Quiver, just gonna buy two or three more pairs....

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

Need some suggestions on expanding a Volkl 06-07 Mantra (red) 94wide 184 one
ski quiver to 3 or 4. (one skinnier and one or two fatter, don't pay attention to the sleds....)

 

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I realize that although the Mantra is a versatile ski and I enjoy it for a good daily driver, it is not ideal
for deeper soft snow or icy bumps.

I'm a Level 8-9, 5' -10.5", 168# and my home is Los Angeles were there are
east coast type of local mountains, however, I will go up to Lake
Tahoe, Mammoth, Utah (Alta-Snowbird) and I be in Whistler this year
also. Probably ski around 18-21 days this year.

 

On the skinnier side...I'm going with a Kendo in a short 163 or 170 as its actually stable enough for me at speed and very fun and lively. Or a MX88 in a 168-178 if I can find one at a decent price

My Older Mantra is 94 underfoot and earlier this year at Alta it was just not enough for the deeper stuff. I demoed a Gotama in a 170 but that day was unfortunately not a soft snow day... 

 

I was more of a on piste skier that likes to carve gs turns but have recently been interested in the steeper/deeper/trees more recently...

 

I'm trying to decide on a Kuro or a Shiro in a 175  or 185 and am leaning towards the Kuro, However, do you guys think I need a ski in between the 94 mantra and say a 132 wide Kuro?  Maybe the Goat or a Katana has a place?

 

Looking forward to your comments a suggestions.

 

Charles

Redondo Beach, CA

post #2 of 11

For the skinnier ski, I would go narrower than the upper 80s if you plan to keep the Mantras- I think you will see a lot of overlap with the Kendo or MX 88.

 

What is the fattest ski you have been on?  How many skis to you plan to take with you on your trips?  Given that you live at the beach and ski 20 days a year, I think more than 3 skis would be over-kill.  I am heavier than you, ski at your stated level and have rarely felt I needed more than 96-108 underfoot.  I have never been on a 132 mm ski, but my guess is that other than for a few hours a season, you would be just as good on a ~110 mm wide ski that you will be able to use in a wider range of conditions.  Given that you have the Mantras, you certainly could go wider, but I certainly wouldn`t buy 2 skis that are wider. 

post #3 of 11

I think that if you get the MX88, the Mantras will become rock skis.  That's not necessarily a bad thing.

 

I suggest that you demo before buying something as wide as the Kuro.  They are not for everyone.  I ski a lot of soft/3D snow in the Sierra, and much as I loved my 125-136-121 x 195cm Praxis Powders, I discovered that the 141/112/128 x 190cm DPS Wailer 112RP gave me very nearly as much float, were much more versatile in getting back to the lift, and didn't torque my knees the way the Praxis sometimes did.  Then I replaced the DPS with the 150/116/123 x196 Moment Bibby Special (now the Governor) -- not to get more width and float, but to get more effective edge and grip (174cm vs 149cm).

 

As we start the season, my non-rock active-duty quiver is:

175 Fischer Progressor (75mm waist) - carver

192 Elan m777 (87mm waist) - crustier mixed conditions

196 Moment Bibby Special (116mm waist) - softer mixed conditions

 

 

I've found little if any gap in capability between the Elan and the Moment.  If there is, I haven't found anything to fit it.  If and when I do, it will pobably be something around 100mm that will be mounted with Dukes or the equivalent for sidecountry and short tours.

 

And there's never been a time when I wished I had something wider than the Moment.

 

Specs: 6'1", 205#.

post #4 of 11

First we should address if the OP is stuck on Volkl, as it appears to be.
 

post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

First we should address if the OP is stuck on Volkl, as it appears to be.
 


^^^^ Yes, I'm stuck on Volkl for now but I'll trying anything.  I just like them and the fact that there usually plenty made and available used... but I will demo more this year in the 110-120 range in various brands.

 

Thanks for the advice on the quiver recommendations...

post #6 of 11

If you want to stick with Volkl, get the Shiro (or a similar ski from another brand, like the 4FRNT Hoji). Mantras for 5" or less, Shiros for more. The Mantras are good at blasting crud when it's not too deep. Get a skinny, narrower carver/bump ski for trips when the conditions suck (like most of last year in Tahoe/Intermountain). Something around 75-80 underfoot would be great. When you're ready to retire the Mantras, get something around 100 underfoot with some progressive tip and possibly tail rocker, and use that for 8" or less. The Kuro won't be that much better than the Shiro in the very deep, and the Shiro will be lots more versatile. 132mm is HUGE underfoot for in-bounds skiing - on a deep powder day, stuff will still get tracked out very quickly, especially since you're not a local and won't know where the secret stashes are.

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Hey Charles,  I live in so cal and am a pass holder at mammoth; have you thought about a soft snow biased 98 with some rocker as your soft snow ski?I like the idea of that ski for the steeps and narrow steeps of the lincoln mtn. area,the trees around 9,13 and 14 area.Our powder doesn't last that long and your not that heavy.
 

post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 

I've pulled the trigger on some 2007-2008 Katana's in a 183... 111 underfoot.  that should keep me amused for anything deeper that I'll run into for now...  I would like to perhaps look for a softer 95-100 ski to retire the Mantra's at one point and I think I'll get a skinnier shorter one soon for the local Los angeles slopes.

Thanks for you many suggestions...

post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by c20500 View Post

I've pulled the trigger on some 2007-2008 Katana's in a 183... 111 underfoot.  that should keep me amused for anything deeper that I'll run into for now...  I would like to perhaps look for a softer 95-100 ski to retire the Mantra's at one point and I think I'll get a skinnier shorter one soon for the local Los angeles slopes.

Thanks for you many suggestions...

Sounds like a Bonafide might fit the bill. icon14.gif

post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by c20500 View Post

I've pulled the trigger on some 2007-2008 Katana's in a 183... 111 underfoot.  that should keep me amused for anything deeper that I'll run into for now...  I would like to perhaps look for a softer 95-100 ski to retire the Mantra's at one point and I think I'll get a skinnier shorter one soon for the local Los angeles slopes.

Thanks for you many suggestions...

 

Great decisions. I'd prefer something a little bit wider than the Katana, personally, but it'll get the job done. With the 183 Katana, I don't think there'd be much of a reason to get a softer 95-100, but I guess that depends on your skiing style. There'd be a lot of overlap with the Bonafide, IMO.

post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 
I finally got out over Thanksgiving week at Mammoth, CA with spring like conditions on a few days old snow/hardpack and tried out my well worn but new to me.. 07-08 Volkl Katana's in a 183 (they really only measure 179cm and are significantly shorter than my 184 Mantra's with measure around 183cm)

I really liked how a flat camber can be so pivioty/manueverable yet still have plenty of edge holding for hard snow. I took my Mantra's out in the morning when it was icy hard and then switched to the Katana after a few runs. Although the mantra/katana may seem to overlap in use.. the Katana's are so versatile with a softer flex but still burly feel with no speed limit. also they are One pound lighter per ski as they have marker squires as opposed to the atomic neox 12's on the Mantra's. I'm 1 cm fwd on the Katana mount as the squire was set up for a larger boot.

I think the next addition will probably be a race GS or SL for fun on hardpack as the Mantra's will probably be mothballed as I find the Katana's more manuervable than the Mantra's.

Question... I don't have much edge/life left on my Katana's, are the newer fully rockered Katana's totally different in feel?

Thanks
Charles

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