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Armada JJ or AK JJ - Please Help!!!

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I am 6'2" 225-230lbs. In past years I have only been able to ski 3-4 times a year using only rental skis. Even though I have only skied a few times a year I consider myself an intermediate-advanced skier. This is the first year I am going to be able to ski consistently so I am going to buy a pair of JJ's but I just don't know what size to buy. I try and ski mainly powder but will ski anything depending on the day. I tend to stay in bounds and don't do a lot of back country. This ski will be my one ski quiver and have no plans of buying any other skis for the time being. I have been asking around at all the local ski stores on what size to buy and have been getting mixed reviews. I wanted to ask everyone on here because you all seem to be very knowlegable. Please help me decide what size JJ to buy. Thank you!!!

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The AK JJ is too wide for what you're looking for.  I'd recommend the JJ in a 185...or 195 if it comes in that.  You may also want to take a look at the 4frnt CRJ.

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SamIntel, I was told that a guy with my height and weight, the JJ in 185cm wouldn't give me the proper float in pow. Armada doesn't make the JJ in 195 they just make the AK JJ which is a 195 cm length and 5cm wider all around. I like the though of the JJ in the 185cm because it will be smaller and more nimble but I don't want to be slow and sinking on the powder days.

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Welcome to EpicSki!  What's your favorite place to ski?  What length skis have you been renting?  Do you rent boots too?  

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marznc, yes I have only rented in the past. When I would rent I would rent boots and skis. In my rentals I used the JJ in 185cm. Other rentals I have had were in the 80's as well. The AK JJ is obviously 195 cm so it will be the biggest ski I've ever been on but people say it ski's extremely short for a 195cm.
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Welcome to Epic.  Where you ski does have bearing on recommendations so tell us where you mostly ski.  Are you planning to buy boots or will you continue to rent them?  If you're buying skis I highly recommend you also buy boots otherwise you are unlikely to have a consistent fit each time you ski and that will affect your skiing, not in a good way either.

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mtcyclist, I mainly search for powder. I like to ski the bowls and more open tree runs. I enjoy a good groomer from time to time but I am looking for a ski that is going to be great on the powder days and can get the job done when it isnt a powder day. As far as resorts I mainly ski Breck and Vail. I have a pair of boots already and I am sold on the JJ its just a matter of the size.

post #8 of 17

At your size get the AK.
 

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I skied both the JJ in a 185cm and the AK JJ in a 195cm in my search for new skis. I'm the same height as you, but weigh less. (~195 lbs). I'm not going to make any inferences about skill, I'm judging based on the fact that you rent boots... I liked the 185 cm JJ more than the 195 cm AK JJ, just because the AK felt clumsy to me when things got tight. I don't know your skiing style, mine is very freestyle oriented. My personal recommendation (and my eventual choice) is the 192cm Atomic Bentchetlers. They don't feel as clumsy, but float just as well if not better than the AK JJs. It's pretty damn hard to sink the tips, even mounted 1cm behind centre like mine are. They are playful in the tight stuff, but due to a longer turn radius than the JJ series, they can open up and charge too. However, my BIGGEST recommendation is to see a BOOTFITTER, and spend some cash on boots that will fit you properly and not hurt your feet. Then, and only then, should you start considering dropping a ton of cash on skis. Having your mind set on one ski however... Do a lot of the local rippers ride JJs?

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flatlandr, I have boots and have had them custom fit with a molded foot bed. I am good in the boots department. Now I am just trying to decide what ski I should buy.

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flatlandr, do you know of any other skis that are simliar to the JJ's. I think the ideal situation would be to find something that is offered in the 187-192 range to split the difference. What didnt you like about the JJ 185 that made you decide to go with the Atomics?

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flatlandr, do you know of any other skis that are simliar to the JJ's. I think the ideal situation would be to find something that is offered in the 187-192 range to split the difference. What didnt you like about the JJ 185 that made you decide to go with the Atomics?


The 185 JJ has a completely moronic sidecut (16m) that does not lead to it being stable at high speeds. Have you looked at the Norwalk in a 189? Lot more versatile of a ski if you ask me.

 

What has you set on the JJ? Or even Armada?

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ecimmortal, I was set on the JJ because I skied it a few times and loved it. That being said I haven't skied many other skis. If there are others that you think I should try pleae let me know, I would love to hear more!

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My perception of the JJ vs. the Benchetler was that the JJ didn't float as well in powder, and the sidecut felt hooky in the deep snow (it was either 'surfy' turns, or tight turns that bled off too much speed, kinda like a switch), as well as on hardpack. The Bentchetlers, while maintaining that surfy, playful feel, yet they are make a longer arced turn. The groomer performance of the Bents, even though they are wider than the JJ, I found to be superior. The JJs had a very "on & off" feel, whereas the Bents are smoooth, and respond well to inputs (for such a big ski) Based on my skiing style, I would never buy anything with a radius less than 20m, and I sometimes find myself wishing that my Bents had closer to a 25m radius. Some other recommendations I have for you are the Moment Bibby Pro in a 190, the Moment Deathwish in a 190, the Surface One Life in a 189, the Line Influence 115 in a 192, the Line Mr. Pollard's Opus in a 192, the the 4Frnt YLE in a 187, and the 4Frnt Hoji in a 187 or 195, among others. Blister Gear Review has tons of great reviews.

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flatlandr, thanks for the input. I will do my research and see if I cant get on a few of the other skis you recommended soon.

post #16 of 17
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Has anyone else had this same experience with the JJ vs the Bent Chetler? Also I was turned onto the Line mr pollards opus any experience with those?
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After looking around and after what flatlandr mentioned about the BC I am definately considering it. I skied the 195 JJ and they felt a little clunky to me. It might have been because I havent skied in a while but they didnt feel short and nimble to me. Do you think the 192 Bent Chetlers will ski differently? I know it is a hair shorter but has a bigger turn radius. Are they lighter than the JJ what will be the biggest difference in feel and performance??

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