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Opinion on boots for general use: race boots or Full Tilt (upright)

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My 16-yo daughter is crossing over from ski racing to freestyle aerial as a competitor. However, she still likes to freeski as much as she can and on as many types of terrains as possible, including laying it down for speed once in a while (even on a race ski).

In her freestyle training, she is now using Full Tilt Soul Sisters, modified to achieve full upright. But, because she has been very fond of her Lange Comp Jr (with orthotics footbeds), the race boots will be her go-to boots when she is freeskiing for the day.

What is your opinion on letting her freeski on the modified Full Tilts? If she does this, will it be unsafe ? Will she fall into the backseat due to the uprightness (particularly if she crashes while she is cranking it)? Almost as importantly, will it hurt her skills and form that she has so accustomed to over the years?

What I have told her is that it's probably OK to ski bumps, pow, trees and off trail in upright position with a very slight forward flex because she can't go too crazy with the speed in these terrain anyway. But, she should switch over to her race boots when she is freeskiing for the day with a possibility of going fast.


In your opinion, am I wrong on what I told her? Would it be OK for her to ski it all in her Full Tilt and not bother with the race boots at all?

post #2 of 11

How upright is upright?  14 degrees off vertical is "upright" but fairly common for racers.  That is not to say you can just make a cut and fast rule...but "upright" for you, might not be as "upright" as you think. 

 

Injuries I can see is hyper extension...but the risk of that, would be no greater free skiing then landing big aerials.  The other risk is ACL injury from backward fall with the hips below the knees.  This could be worse on free-skis as they would likley have alot more side cut then the aerial skis, possibly resulting in the tails grabbing and twisting, causing the ACL to blow...but of course this can happen on straight skis too...but then again the risk is no worse then landing aerials.

 

 

 

Of course performance wise, there is no way to tell without seeing her in the boots. 

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I haven't seen any of the modified boots yet but from what I've been told after all things are said and done it's close to true vertical. They grind the back part of the boot right behind the ankle to achieve that angle.

 

Yes, blown ACL is what I had in mind when sitting too far back. Thanks for your insight, Skidude!

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My 16-yo daughter is crossing over from ski racing to freestyle aerial as a competitor. However, she still likes to freeski as much as she can and on as many types of terrains as possible, including laying it down for speed once in a while (even on a race ski).

In her freestyle training, she is now using Full Tilt Soul Sisters, modified to achieve full upright. But, because she has been very fond of her Lange Comp Jr (with orthotics footbeds), the race boots will be her go-to boots when she is freeskiing for the day.

What is your opinion on letting her freeski on the modified Full Tilts? If she does this, will it be unsafe ? Will she fall into the backseat due to the uprightness (particularly if she crashes while she is cranking it)? Almost as importantly, will it hurt her skills and form that she has so accustomed to over the years?

What I have told her is that it's probably OK to ski bumps, pow, trees and off trail in upright position with a very slight forward flex because she can't go too crazy with the speed in these terrain anyway. But, she should switch over to her race boots when she is freeskiing for the day with a possibility of going fast.


In your opinion, am I wrong on what I told her? Would it be OK for her to ski it all in her Full Tilt and not bother with the race boots at all?

In answer to the bolded question, the underlined part is wrong. 

 

I do think the race boots are safer, but am only basing that position on how safe I feel my old forward leaning race bootsin comparison to my more upright modern boots. 

 

There is an interesting thread in here somewhere.  I'll save you the trouble of using the epic search (I just use google search with the last key word being site:epicski.com).

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/112993/less-forward-lean-higher-risk-of-knee-injury

 

That being said, how old is your daughter?

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That being said, how old is your daughter?

She is 16, Ghost.

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If the modified boots are truly fully upright (little to no forward lean at all) I would think that your daughter wouldn't want to free ski with them if she's used to the performance of her Langes.  It sounds like she's a fairly high level skier.  I won't speak to the question about injury susceptibility, but I would think the performance difference alone would have already made up her mind.

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That being said, how old is your daughter?

She is 16, Ghost.


I would strongly advise her to wear her race boots while free-skiing, or if her race boots are way too cold to wear free skiing at times, even spring for a third pair of boots that are not so upright, have decently stiff flex and alittle more insulation (or hotronics).  Good luck.

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What is the pupose of being truely upright?  The idea seems totally counter-intuitive and seems like it just puts everyone in the back seat.

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I would strongly advise her to wear her race boots while free-skiing, or if her race boots are way too cold to wear free skiing at times, even spring for a third pair of boots that are not so upright, have decently stiff flex and alittle more insulation (or hotronics).  Good luck.


Along that line, I thought of another option last night -- somewhat of a compromise. There is another pair of Full Tilt on order (also Soul Sister, the model with a more performance fit and a stiffer flex). I could keep one pair unaltered (also comes with heel shims for additional forward lean) and replace the race boots with them for freeskiing. Even though there will still be two pairs of boots, at least that way all her skis can be set the same way for interchangability. What do you think? That is, do you think the stocked SS will give her what she wants in terms of performance?

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What is the pupose of being truely upright?  The idea seems totally counter-intuitive and seems like it just puts everyone in the back seat.


Aerial is mostly an acrobatic sport so the boots serve a different purpose.

 

That is the reason for this dilemma. It'll be a pain to lug two pair of boots every time she travels and it's not reasonable to expect a teenager (worse yet girl) to tweak her own equipment constantly. Ideally, one ski and one boot will be the best, as all of you would agree. To further complicate things, because of that all her teammates are freeskiing on the upright FTs, she thinks the same will work for her. That scares me because most of these other kids have a different skiing background and outlook.

post #11 of 11

I wonder how Wayne Wong ever managed in his stock boots.wink.gif

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