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post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

What are some of the more comical or negligent listings that you have seen?

 

Here are some I came across today

 

SALOMON SKIS POCKET ROCKET 175 FAT POWDER TWIN TIPS with SALOMON BINDINGS s810ti

 

Dimensions:  Tip 122  -  Waist 90 – Tail 115

The Pocket Rocket combines twin tips for big air and tricks, with a wide profile for powder skiing. 

 

Starting bid:

US $395.00

 

 

BUY THEM...BEFORE I CHANGE MY MIND!!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SALOMON-SKIS-POCKET-ROCKET-175-FAT-POWDER-TWIN-TIPS-with-SALOMON-BINDINGS-s810ti-/300807595766?pt=Skiing&hash=item460987a6f6

 

 

 

2011 Atomic 165cm Slalom world cup race room skis with atomic x-18 bindings

 the din range is 10-18, perfect for almost everybody.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-Atomic-165cm-Slalom-world-cup-race-room-skis-with-atomic-x-18-bindings-/290801972180?pt=Skiing&hash=item43b525f3d4

post #2 of 29

From a Ford dealer...

 

2002 Chevrolet Corvette

Coupe 5.7L CD Locking/Limited Slip Differential Rear Wheel Drive Power Steering

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Coupe-5-7L-CD-Locking-Limited-Slip-Differential-Rear-Wheel-Drive-Power-Steering-/130793954985?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1e73ed5ea9

 

 

 

post #3 of 29

 

2011 Atomic 165cm Slalom world cup race room skis with atomic x-18 bindings

 the din range is 10-18, perfect for almost everybody.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-Atomic-165cm-Slalom-world-cup-race-room-skis-with-atomic-x-18-bindings-/290801972180?pt=Skiing&hash=item43b525f3d4

 

 

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Almost everybody, especially small children and the elderly.

 

 

Is there some liability associated with this? I mean is a 110 pound kid hits a rail with these and blows up his knee can the seller be sued?

post #4 of 29

If you're skiing a race room men's SL ski, a 10-18 binding should be fine for just about everybody ...

 

but ... if you really need a race room SL ski ... you're not buying it off ebay

 

 

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Originally Posted by Skiingblind View Post

 

 

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Almost everybody, especially small children and the elderly.

 

 

Is there some liability associated with this? I mean is a 110 pound kid hits a rail with these and blows up his knee can the seller be sued?

post #5 of 29
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Originally Posted by bruins14sammy View Post

If you're skiing a race room men's SL ski, a 10-18 binding should be fine for just about everybody ...

 

but ... if you really need a race room SL ski ... you're not buying it off ebay

 

 

 

Eh, I've bought race skis off of fleabay before. Craigslist too. Mostly training/screw around skis though. No point in paying new for skis that you are just gonna beat the hell out of, although this doesn't help if the skis have changed drastically, but for me it has worked. Nordica skis were basically the same from 2008-2011 in both flex, sidecut, and lengths.

 

I think the funniest ones I see are the 15 year old $100 rear-entry boot auctions, or the boots with the plastic buckles.

post #6 of 29
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Originally Posted by Skiingblind View Post

 

 

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Almost everybody, especially small children and the elderly.

 

 

Is there some liability associated with this? I mean is a 110 pound kid hits a rail with these and blows up his knee can the seller be sued?

 

You can sue for any injury real or imagined. But in this case, I think its mostly imagined. 

post #7 of 29

I like the ones for "classic" Schwinn bikes, the ones that weigh about 40 pounds and are barely worth the salvage value of the tubing.  And the bidding starts at $100.eek.gif

post #8 of 29

If you think Ebay is bad, try visiting a local ski swap at a vertically-challenged area.  I just got back from dropping off my wife's previous skis.

 

A beautiful pair of lightly-used Nordica Burners (with bindings) sat at $125 while NOS Volkl Unlimited AC's were flying out the door at $429.

 

A "sales guide", one of the local patrollers told someone that last-year's brand new Blizzard Magnum 7.6 (again w/bindings) was not really a good deal at $299 b/c it is really a "beginner" ski.

 

I picked up and fondled a pair of Atomic Blackeye Ti (unfortunately too long for me) and another patroller came over and said "those are really great slalom race skis!".

 

I couldn't get out of there fast enough.

post #9 of 29

This one's my all time favorite.. from Craigslist...

 

 

Quote:
raleigh craigslist
> sporting goods
Skis, Ski Boots, Poles TWO SETS OF EACH - $25

Reply to: grumpy person

Date: 2007-12-25, 5:37PM EST
Need to settle and estate, selling cheap, all in good shape, two sets of boots, two sets of skis and two sets
of poles. I'm settling an estate. I don't know the size of the boots, or how to tell, I don't know the size or
kind of skis they are or what they are made from, and I don't know if the skis were made to be cross
country, down hill, or made to ski over some broads fat ***. I don't really care, I'm selling this stuff so
cheap it shouldn't really matter, as far as I can tell from what I've seen on the net, the load of crap sells
retail for over 300 bucks. I don't know why because in my mind anyone who goes to a cold climate to
slide down ice for relaxation and enjoyment is crazy hell and really should be buried alive in that ice.
But hey, I need the money, so you want the damn things, come and buy them but don't bug me with
asinine questions I can't answer. It's a simple concept. You give me twenty five bucks and I give you
this stuff. After that we never see each other again. Trust me, you don't want to see me again, because as
you can tell from my rant, I'm an *******. But at least I'm a warm *******.
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More in this thread too

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/64870/funny-skis-for-sale-personal-ads

post #10 of 29

Those are awesome.

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post #12 of 29

1000

post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by tch View Post

If you think Ebay is bad, try visiting a local ski swap at a vertically-challenged area.  I just got back from dropping off my wife's previous skis.

 

A beautiful pair of lightly-used Nordica Burners (with bindings) sat at $125 while NOS Volkl Unlimited AC's were flying out the door at $429.

 

A "sales guide", one of the local patrollers told someone that last-year's brand new Blizzard Magnum 7.6 (again w/bindings) was not really a good deal at $299 b/c it is really a "beginner" ski.

 

I picked up and fondled a pair of Atomic Blackeye Ti (unfortunately too long for me) and another patroller came over and said "those are really great slalom race skis!".

 

I couldn't get out of there fast enough.

 

I don't think it needs to be a vertically challenged area for ridiculous pricing and suggestions at ski swaps.

 

Been to several ski awaps in Glenwood Springs (largest swaps in the Aspen area) and now Durango. Pretty much saw the same type of ridiculousness everywhere- 2-3 year old skis, obviously heavily used, likely being sold because the pop has been totally skied out over 150 days, priced for more than the equipment could have been purchased ofr BRAND NEW at an end of season sale the first year it was released.

 

I go to ski swaps to look at whole racks full of 2008 Gotamas marked at $700+. Are you kidding me?

 

Boots are even more ridiculous. Paying $300+ for a middle of the road used boot that is almost certainly packed out and will need new liners? Nuts.

 

All the ski swaps I have been to are 45% 2-3 year old stuff that is priced as if it were new, 45% 10-30 year old stuff that is worn out or just straight unsafe to ski on ($125 for straight skis with mid 1980's vintage plastic 747 bindings? Seen it!) and worthless at any price, and maybe 5% stuff that is both decent and at a reaosnable price.

 

At the Durango swap last week, I sold a set of 2007 Apache Recons. They were former demos that I bought in 2009.  I put about 100-125 days on them, I think they got a LOT of use as demos- I woulod guess the ski had between 250 and 300 days of use.  Stopped skiing them because they were obviously dead, I happened to compare them to a set of 2006 Recons that were much fresher, and found mine had half the camber and took about 1/4 of the effort to decamber.

 

Listed them for $150, which I thought was high side of reasonable. They were sold 5 minutes after the swap opened. I couldn't believe it until I saw the other garbage in that price range.

post #14 of 29

This is an information problem.   Same as people trying to figure out how to book flights before the internet.

What is needed is a buying guide, ala kelley blue book for cars; becketts for trading cards.

 

 

Some appraiser/authority would establish base prices, then feed in Ebay and search engine shopping results, but since this is more subjective then pure commodities, then feed in  individual submissions and crowdsourcing adjustments (with incentives to participate) would be forces to drive a more accurate pricing estimate.

 

 

Used Golf equipment is appraised and standardized by the PGA.com, ebay, and  3balls.com .  http://valueguide.pga.com/.  

 

Perhaps a ski industry leader needs to do the same.   I suppose, the total amount of turnover in ski equipment is just far less than those other markets, and there is not as much incentive to promote a secondary market (versus promoting people to just buy new).

post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post

This is an information problem.   Same as people trying to figure out how to book flights before the internet.

What is needed is a buying guide, ala kelley blue book for cars; becketts for trading cards.

 

 

Some appraiser/authority would establish base prices, then feed in Ebay and search engine shopping results, but since this is more subjective then pure commodities, then feed in  individual submissions and crowdsourcing adjustments (with incentives to participate) would be forces to drive a more accurate pricing estimate.

 

 

Used Golf equipment is appraised and standardized by the PGA.com, ebay, and  3balls.com .  http://valueguide.pga.com/.  

 

Perhaps a ski industry leader needs to do the same.   I suppose, the total amount of turnover in ski equipment is just far less than those other markets, and there is not as much incentive to promote a secondary market (versus promoting people to just buy new).

 

Maybe its something we could do on EpicSki. We have a lot of shop owners and retailers here. We could create the blue book of skiing!

post #16 of 29
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post

This is an information problem.   Same as people trying to figure out how to book flights before the internet.

What is needed is a buying guide, ala kelley blue book for cars; becketts for trading cards.

 

 

Some appraiser/authority would establish base prices, then feed in Ebay and search engine shopping results, but since this is more subjective then pure commodities, then feed in  individual submissions and crowdsourcing adjustments (with incentives to participate) would be forces to drive a more accurate pricing estimate.

 

 

Used Golf equipment is appraised and standardized by the PGA.com, ebay, and  3balls.com .  http://valueguide.pga.com/.  

 

Perhaps a ski industry leader needs to do the same.   I suppose, the total amount of turnover in ski equipment is just far less than those other markets, and there is not as much incentive to promote a secondary market (versus promoting people to just buy new).

From a 7 year old post on TGR http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/39772-BEFORE-YOU-SELL-READ-THIS

 

-The Commish said it best, "If you're trying to sell gear here, don't expect to get market prices...unless you're willing to trade gonzo for a router. The standard maggot/minion pricing paradigm is:

50% of current online price (not MSRP) 
-10% per year old 
-10% per times drilled, per core shot, per delam...etc 
-10% per marker binding attatched  
+10-30% for Rare/High-demand item

 

Generally speaking, it seems Ebay selling prices tend to be more in line with where they should be than ski swaps.  The ski swaps can be way off in both directions IMO.  My first year going to the Breck Swap I picked up two pairs of decent race skis for $120 total.  A buddy skied the SLs last year and thought they were an upgrade from the pair that he had picked up for $150.  I still ski the GSs when I want to make some high speed turns and know it won`t be crowded.  A couple of years ago, for $10, I got a nice kids ski in almost perfect shape other than a broken toe piece on the binding THAT WAS STILL UNDER WARRANTY.  So for $10 plus shipping I had a new pair of bindings and a decent pair of skis.  Like others have said, you can also find over priced junk at the swaps. 

post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by Skiingblind View Post

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Almost everybody, especially small children and the elderly.

Is there some liability associated with this? I mean is a 110 pound kid hits a rail with these and blows up his knee can the seller be sued?


I really love American attitude when it comes to such things. Of course it's not your responsibility to be stupid and use something what is definitely not meant for you... it's sellers responsibility so let's go and sue him/her.

For christsake.... if you are to stupid to know what you are buying, it's definitely not this guys problem... he just want to sell stuff, and if you are stupid enough to buy it, and then use it... it's your problem not his! But yeah... let's go and sue him.th_dunno-1[1].gif

post #18 of 29

follow up on the batskis if anybody is interested :D
 

http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/bnc/clt/3349250634.html

post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by primoz View Post


I really love American attitude when it comes to such things. Of course it's not your responsibility to be stupid and use something what is definitely not meant for you... it's sellers responsibility so let's go and sue him/her.

For christsake.... if you are to stupid to know what you are buying, it's definitely not this guys problem... he just want to sell stuff, and if you are stupid enough to buy it, and then use it... it's your problem not his! But yeah... let's go and sue him.th_dunno-1%5B1%5D.gif

I tend to agree with you about the over litigious attitudes, but don`t you think a seller should have some obligation to be accurate or at least in the ball park with the statements they make?  Yes, a buyer should do some homework, but how inaccurate can a seller be?  If you let a seller say anything they want regardless of truth or accuracy, then there is really no reason for the buyer to even bother reading the description of the item.

 

In the auction we are referring to 2011 Atomic 165cm Slalom world cup race room skis with atomic x-18 bindings would you be ok with the seller saying:

     "This is a perfect ski for beginners to learn on" or 

     "Voted Best Powder Ski in 2011 by Ski Magazine" or

     "#1 Best Beginner Ski according to 2011 EpicSki.com survey" or

     "Atomic recommends this ski for beginner to intermediate skiers looking to improve off piste" or

     "X 18 bindings have been scientifically proven to reduce knee injuries for skiers weighing between 100 and 225 lbs"

 

Yes buyers should be responsible for educating themselves, but shouldn`t there be limits on what sellers can say?

 

I`ve never sued anyone, and think there are some ridiculous suits out there, but don`t you think the threat of being sued (or prosecuted for fraud) helps to keep some people in line. 

post #20 of 29

+1.  Thank you, MEfree30.

post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post

In the auction we are referring to 2011 Atomic 165cm Slalom world cup race room skis with atomic x-18 bindings would you be ok with the seller saying:

     "This is a perfect ski for beginners to learn on" or 

     "Voted Best Powder Ski in 2011 by Ski Magazine" or

     "#1 Best Beginner Ski according to 2011 EpicSki.com survey" or

     "Atomic recommends this ski for beginner to intermediate skiers looking to improve off piste" or

     "X 18 bindings have been scientifically proven to reduce knee injuries for skiers weighing between 100 and 225 lbs"

 

Yes buyers should be responsible for educating themselves, but shouldn`t there be limits on what sellers can say?

 

I`ve never sued anyone, and think there are some ridiculous suits out there, but don`t you think the threat of being sued (or prosecuted for fraud) helps to keep some people in line. 

While I agree "Perfect for almost everybody" is a pretty stupid comment for a 165cm length din 10-18 ski/binding combo, I think we also have to consider the market. The fact that the skis sold for $450 makes me pretty confident the skis didn't get sold to a first timer- they got sold to somebody who probably knows exactly what they were buying.

 

"Buyer Beware" counts for a lot. In general, for a lawsuit to win, you would need to show that the seller's intent was to mislead. In this case I think the seller was thinking about the hardcore racer target market of the ski and made a careless comment, rather than an intent to imply the bindings were a great pair for a first time skier. 

post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post

From a 7 year old post on TGR http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/39772-BEFORE-YOU-SELL-READ-THIS

 

-The Commish said it best, "If you're trying to sell gear here, don't expect to get market prices...unless you're willing to trade gonzo for a router. The standard maggot/minion pricing paradigm is:

50% of current online price (not MSRP) 
-10% per year old 
-10% per times drilled, per core shot, per delam...etc 
-10% per marker binding attatched  
+10-30% for Rare/High-demand item

 

 

This is my barometer for pricing on skis.  It may err a bit on the low side for nice equipment, but I think if you aren't in the general ballpark of this, you really need to re-evaluate your pricing.  

 

I think used boots should be much lower than this, but the converse seems to be true. Based on swap prices, it seems people seem to think boots should hold their value, which is crap- Boots tend to pack out a lot quicker than most skis will lose pop.  I buy used skis all the time but would only consider ski-swap boots if the price was cheap enough for me to come out WAY ahead after buying replacement liners.

 

With ski swap prices what they are (commonly asking $300+ for packed out boots with over 100 flex), I find much better deals buying new boots of previous model years in the off-season, where I then get free shell modification and much better fitting than the random guy at the ski swap.

post #23 of 29
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post

While I agree "Perfect for almost everybody" is a pretty stupid comment for a 165cm length din 10-18 ski/binding combo, I think we also have to consider the market. The fact that the skis sold for $450 makes me pretty confident the skis didn't get sold to a first timer- they got sold to somebody who probably knows exactly what they were buying.

 

"Buyer Beware" counts for a lot. In general, for a lawsuit to win, you would need to show that the seller's intent was to mislead. In this case I think the seller was thinking about the hardcore racer target market of the ski and made a careless comment, rather than an intent to imply the bindings were a great pair for a first time skier. 

I agree that they buyer likely knew exactly what they were getting and even if they didn`t a lawsuit would be ridiculous.  Careless comment, maybe- if the target market was hardcore racers, there is not really a need to even discuss who the DIN is appropriate for.  If a non-racer under 200-250 lbs happened to buy this ski thinking the DIN was appropriate for them, I would hope the seller would offer a refund. 

 

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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post

 

This is my barometer for pricing on skis.  It may err a bit on the low side for nice equipment, but I think if you aren't in the general ballpark of this, you really need to re-evaluate your pricing.  

 

I think used boots should be much lower than this, but the converse seems to be true. Based on swap prices, it seems people seem to think boots should hold their value, which is crap- Boots tend to pack out a lot quicker than most skis will lose pop.  I buy used skis all the time but would only consider ski-swap boots if the price was cheap enough for me to come out WAY ahead after buying replacement liners.

 

With ski swap prices what they are (commonly asking $300+ for packed out boots with over 100 flex), I find much better deals buying new boots of previous model years in the off-season, where I then get free shell modification and much better fitting than the random guy at the ski swap.

This is off subject and I have never bought used boots for myself, but if you try on a used boot and it fits nicely, then it seems to me that at least you don`t have to worry about the boot packing out later.  I guess what I am saying is that I think too many people buy boots that are comfortable BEFORE they pack out and TOO BIG AFTER they pack out.  With this in mind, maybe it is better to buy a used boot that fits well??

post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post

This is off subject and I have never bought used boots for myself, but if you try on a used boot and it fits nicely, then it seems to me that at least you don`t have to worry about the boot packing out later.  I guess what I am saying is that I think too many people buy boots that are comfortable BEFORE they pack out and TOO BIG AFTER they pack out.  With this in mind, maybe it is better to buy a used boot that fits well??

Boots can pack out more than once.  Boots can also be never packed out but still sold as used.  I'd expect any boot regardless of how old to have to fit very tight for a short period before really fitting a foot well. 

post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by primoz View Post


I really love American attitude when it comes to such things. Of course it's not your responsibility to be stupid and use something what is definitely not meant for you... it's sellers responsibility so let's go and sue him/her.

For christsake.... if you are to stupid to know what you are buying, it's definitely not this guys problem... he just want to sell stuff, and if you are stupid enough to buy it, and then use it... it's your problem not his! But yeah... let's go and sue him.th_dunno-1%5B1%5D.gif

Thanks for the political commentary. I'm sure there are no uneducated consumers in Europe. 

 

The point I was trying to make is that it just isn't nice to sell a product with this description. "the din range is 10-18, perfect for almost everybody". 

When the fact is the 95% (I'm guessing if anybody has real numbers I'm interested to hear them.) of the skiing public has no business being anywhere over 10 on the DIN chart. I'm 6 ft and 220 lbs and according to the DIN chart I should ski at 9, I ski a 10.

EBay is filled with uneducated people, if you went to a shop and wanted to buy these bindings do you not think that the salesperson might ask you some questions about your ability if you were obviously not a racer? 

Did I say that person should sue? 

The fact is that in the US our tort law is vastly different from Europe. While I agree that too few people take responsibility for their own actions in the US, I would never advocate a law suit in this case. I did want to know if there was any liability on the seller in the event of an accident.

post #26 of 29

If someone buys something and he/she has no idea what is buying, why would that be sellers problem? Is it Home Depot's problem if you buy screwdriver and stick it into electricity plug and it kills you? Afterall they are selling screwdrivers which "everyone can use". Is it Audi's problem if you buy their RS5 with 500+ horse power, and you crash in first tree and kill yourself, since you were not able to drive beast like that, and they didn't check you are certified racer before they sold it to you? I don't think so.

It's your responsibility that you know what you are buying, and it's your responsibility to be smart enough (even though it's kinda hard to say you need to be smart to figure something like this), to know what you can and what you can't do.

If you go and buy skis, you should know what you are actually buying. And if you don't know, then ask someone... and not seller. Ebay or normal store, it's all same. People want to sell their stuff, so it's normal they will present those goodies in best possible light. Afterall what all commercials on TV, newspaper, internet are anyway? Realistic facts? Get real ;)

So no, I don't agree it's seller's (especially of someone on Ebay) responsibility to educate you. And I don't agree it's his responsibility if you go and buy adult race skis, with adult race bindings for your 6 years old kid.

And no, I don't think that threat of being sued helps much... afterall this same Ebay deal shows it doesn't, just as Audi selling their beasts to normal people without any driving skills proof, or Home Depot selling screwdrivers without checking you won't be pushing them to electric plugs. ;)

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Originally Posted by Skiingblind View Post
EBay is filled with uneducated people, if you went to a shop and wanted to buy these bindings do you not think that the salesperson might ask you some questions about your ability if you were obviously not a racer?

 

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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post
Yes buyers should be responsible for educating themselves, but shouldn`t there be limits on what sellers can say?

I`ve never sued anyone, and think there are some ridiculous suits out there, but don`t you think the threat of being sued (or prosecuted for fraud) helps to keep some people in line. 

post #27 of 29

Not ski related, but best craigslist add ever.

 

"$10,000 Suzuki 2006 GSXR 1000. Has 1000 miles. Always driven responsibly, being sold because it was purchased without the consent of a loving spouse. Apparently "Do whatever the f*ck you want" doesn't mean what I thought it meant."

post #28 of 29
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by primoz View Post

 Is it Home Depot's problem if you buy screwdriver and stick it into electricity plug and it kills you? Afterall they are selling screwdrivers which "everyone can use".ny driving skills proof, or Home Depot selling screwdrivers without checking you won't be pushing them to electric plugs. ;)

 

Obviously not, but I don`t think you are comparing apples to apples.  Would you feel differently if Home Depot had labeling on the screw driver that said "fully insulated screw driver- eliminates any chance of electrical shock"?  

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by jmaie View Post

Not ski related, but best craigslist add ever.

 

"$10,000 Suzuki 2006 GSXR 1000. Has 1000 miles. Always driven responsibly, being sold because it was purchased without the consent of a loving spouse. Apparently "Do whatever the f*ck you want" doesn't mean what I thought it meant."

 

guess I will have to keep that in mind, or not.

post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by primoz View Post


I really love American attitude when it comes to such things. Of course it's not your responsibility to be stupid and use something what is definitely not meant for you... it's sellers responsibility so let's go and sue him/her.

For christsake.... if you are to stupid to know what you are buying, it's definitely not this guys problem... he just want to sell stuff, and if you are stupid enough to buy it, and then use it... it's your problem not his! But yeah... let's go and sue him.th_dunno-1%5B1%5D.gif

Actually, Primoz, liability laws were put in by these things called elected officials to protect consumers.  We then have these things called judges who can throw out frivolous cases, and appeals courts to review those cases.  In many places those judges also have to answer to the electorate every few years. The system is not perfect, and occasionally some high profile case gives fodder to America bashers who don't know sh*t about our system.

 

If you know a better system suggest it.  Until then, just stay clear of this hell hole.

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