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Sally STH 12 or 14 Drivers or Atomic FFG 14 Team or Marker Griffon: Is a DIN setting of 7 too close too bottom of range on the 14s?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

Bought a new pair of skis, Watea 84s, and now trying to find the best bindings for a bit of all mountain skiing and some small jumps.

 

Seen some good pricing on the 14's but both have a range starting at 6 and my din setting is 7-8 (5'11'' / Type II / 200 ish pounds). Is this too close to the bottom of the range and should I just get the 12s, which I can't get such a good price on?

 

Can't find any guidance from manufacturers on this but the accepted wisdom seems to be that your setting should be at least 2 above or below the max min respectively and ideally on or near middle of range.

 

I'm hoping to get more days in over the next few seasons than I have been but realistically, hitting the big 40 next year, I only see the aggression going 1 way (and likewise hoping to keep the weight where it is or even bring it down).

 

Tempted by the 14s, price and statement of intent that I've not given up the ghost on going big, but is this just the start of my mid-life?

 

Advice/thoughts much appreciated?

post #2 of 12

Get the Driver STH 12.  No need for the bigger spring.  Or get the Look PX-12.

post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 

Cheers Eric.

 

I think I explained the situation badly, I know I don't need the bigger spring, the question is more would I get away with it when skiing at 7 DIN or do I need the 12s.

 

I'm in the UK and the best pricing I can find is..

 

Atomic FFG TEAM 14   £133  ($215)     

Sally STH14 Driver        £140  ($225)

Sally STH12 Driver        £150  ($241)

Look PX12                    £175  ($282)           

 

Basically should I pay an extra $25 to get the range 4-12 rather than 6-14? And will the technician in the ski shop chase me when I rock up with a binding with the range 6-16 and ask him to set it to 7?

post #4 of 12
You should not have a problem with the 14 set at 7.
post #5 of 12

Agreed--just get the one you like.  The Crivers ae nice bindings.  They will set it at a certain number--it's dictated by a little chart they have.  Many people just changes the DIN to suit themselves.  When I was racing my DIN was set goofy high so that my skis wouldn't release under tremendous speed/pressure.  (DIN was 14-20)  Now I would never ski with them that high, as I would destroy myself.  

 

II didn't realize bindings were so expensive over there.  Here you can get the looks for $160 pretty regularly.  The Solly Drivers are more like $230 and $250.  

post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by coleo View Post

Cheers Eric.

 

I think I explained the situation badly, I know I don't need the bigger spring, the question is more would I get away with it when skiing at 7 DIN or do I need the 12s.

 

I'm in the UK and the best pricing I can find is..

 

Atomic FFG TEAM 14   £133  ($215)     

Sally STH14 Driver        £140  ($225)

Sally STH12 Driver        £150  ($241)

Look PX12                    £175  ($282)           

 

Basically should I pay an extra $25 to get the range 4-12 rather than 6-14? And will the technician in the ski shop chase me when I rock up with a binding with the range 6-16 and ask him to set it to 7?

 

By my math it's only $16 more for the STH 12 than the STH 14 based on your figures above. I think you want the 12 (or you wouldn't be asking the question), and for peace of mind the $16 is worth it, regardless of whether it's entirely rational or not. It's not like buying a water heater or something: You're doing this for fun, so make sure you're happy about what you buy.

post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 

That is enough to make my head hurt:) I don't think I'm double bluffing myself...

 

I'd prefer the 14s (either or) but don't want to waste $215 to try and save $25.

 

If I was confident that they'd release consistently, so close to the bottom of their range, and that the shop I got the skis from would be fine fitting them and setting them this low, then I'd definitely go for the 14s.

 

I haven't asked the shop yet, as they only have the 12s in stock and claim they can't get any more 14s from Salomon, so am pretty sure they'll push the 12s.

post #8 of 12

I use the a 914Lab on my slalom ski's and have them on DIN 7. For me they work perfectly (but I'm not comparable in length/weight). I believe the STH 14 is the newer model of the 914's.

post #9 of 12

The reason that you want to have a minimum 2 setting higher than the lowest available on the binding is for greater adjustment  flexibility. So if you find that 7 is too high, then you have the ability to lower the setting. Example: at age 50 you go 1 line up the chart, so lower setting, but myself I didn't feel I needed to as there was no noticeable drop off in strength for me at age 50, but I did drop one DIN # lower at age 60.

 

Go with the lower setting binding (DIN 12) as it is the correct one for you and even if you end up improving your skiing skills and become a type III, you will still have plenty of adjustment flexibility on the high end as you will not be setting you bindings anywhere near DIN 12.

post #10 of 12

Bindings work equally reliably throughout their specified range. Otherwise they would have to narrow the specified range. You can't claim to follow a German Industry Standard and then deliberately mass produce a product that doesn't meet the standard.

 

I regularly ski Tyrolia dx10's with a range of 10-20, set at 10 because my usual setting is 9. They come off when they should.

 

Having said that, the STH12 Driver is a good binding with a sensible range, and should be 20+ quid cheaper than the STH14 Driver. If not, you're being jerked around.

 

You're in the UK, so you can order from Germany without all the customs bollix..... check out Sport Conrad (STH12 Driver)

 

http://www.sport-conrad.com/page/product-detail/__/shop/prod/20278

 

Thats £111 (plus p&p though). Excellent service, fast delivery and great prices.

post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 

Cheers Squawker,

 

The sport conrad site is a winner and means that I can get the 12 drivers cheaper than the other options (even factoring in fitting).

 

Job done:)

 

Update: They aren't doing free shipping anymore:( but the price is still good so I've just gone with it:)


Edited by coleo - 11/2/12 at 6:49am
post #12 of 12

And now you're a customer they'll send you a big thick catalogue to drool over each autumn, even if it is all in German biggrin.gif

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