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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hello

 

I am looking for some advice with choosing the best ski for me.

I already know what I want: a slalom ski for groomers thats gonna hold even on ice, stiff enough so it can carry my extra weight(over 300lbs), and the ski needs to be available for ''mortals'' too i.e not too xpensive (looking for something between 500-900euro possibly paying even more for insane quality product).

I am NOT looking for all mountain ski which is playful and lets u ski on it for all day long.

 

Oh and I am living in Europe so the ski being available in EU stores would be big +++ biggrin.gif

 

Any tips?

post #2 of 11

I am a big guy, 6'4" and 250 lbs. I bought a pair of rossi radical 9sl ti slalom skis at the end of last year. They were the longest slalom ski I could find in 175 cm length. They received very good reviews and were described as very good at all turn shapes, obviously the best at short radius turns. I have not skied them yet, but I have them at my home and can say they are a very stiff ski and won't have an trouble handling a heavy weight skier.

 

You might want to look at what people call cheater GS skis, meaning they have a much smaller turn radius than a normal GS ski, and can do short radius turns pretty well.  I was looking at a Dynastar Course TI ski myself, but go the rossi's new for around $500 with bindings. O2 gear had them on close out.

post #3 of 11

I think what you want is a race stock slalom ski from any of several manufacturers; Atomic, Rossi, Head, Volkl, Salomon, Fischer, Stockli, Nordica, etc.  Almost every one of them will be a powerful carver with wood sandwich construction.  There have been very few truly significant changes in that kind of ski for years.  What that means is that if you can find an unmounted or lightly used pair from a couple of years ago, you're getting basically the same ski they're selling now.

 

Do you live near a ski resort with an active race program?  If you do, a couple of phone calls can usually hook you up with some racer types looking to get rid of "excess" skis.  If you get introduced to a local racing crowd, you'll find that skis like that are always trading hands.

 

Another alternative would be something like Ebay.  I don't know what the European equivalent would be, but here are three listings I found searching Ebay for "slalom race ski".  Any of these would do what you want: 

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Rossignol-Radical-WC-SL-FIS-iBox-Slant-Nose-165cm-Slalom-Race-Skis-/140874672745?pt=Skiing&hash=item20ccc8ea69

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Fischer-RC4-WC-SL-Stiff-165cm-Slalom-Hole-Race-Skis-w-World-Cup-Plate-/140864605930?pt=Skiing&hash=item20cc2f4eea

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Atomic-165-Slalom-World-Cup-Race-Ski-Atomic-X20-RS-bindings-/290799272511?pt=Skiing&hash=item43b4fcc23f

 

Good luck and have fun.  That kind of ski is a riot. icon14.gif

post #4 of 11
Bob's advice is right on the mark. For your weight definitely go for the full race stock version rather than th "consumer" race version. If you are looking at Rossi/dynastar stay away from the pre 2011 versions. Definitely take a look at the atomic D2 slalom. I think you will find it a good match for what you are looking for. Also I have had good experiences with the blizzard wc sl as well as dynastar.
post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks for all the information :)

 

I made some research and found these skis available in my location:

 

http://www.schultes.at/racingsport/racing-ski/atomic/salomon-superfleet-hz-midlayer-manner-4.html

 

http://www.schultes.at/racingsport/racing-ski/rossignol/radical-wc-201.html

 

The last one doesnt have website in english so here is picture of the ski:

http://www.p-sport.cz/files/photos/original/c/c227347578d0d0c0f17c7e5b2af2894b0e6684b6.jpg

 

and full name of that ski is: ''FIS ATOMIC RACE SL MEN'' + Atomic X12 bindings, altho I dont know which year it is.

 

Anyone got experience/information about stiffness/edge grip/power of those skis?

I dont care about the looks of the ski or brand I just want the most demanding/stiff one :D

post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by Pecino View Post

Thanks for all the information :)

 

I made some research and found these skis available in my location:

 

http://www.schultes.at/racingsport/racing-ski/atomic/salomon-superfleet-hz-midlayer-manner-4.html

 

http://www.schultes.at/racingsport/racing-ski/rossignol/radical-wc-201.html

 

The last one doesnt have website in english so here is picture of the ski:

http://www.p-sport.cz/files/photos/original/c/c227347578d0d0c0f17c7e5b2af2894b0e6684b6.jpg

 

and full name of that ski is: ''FIS ATOMIC RACE SL MEN'' + Atomic X12 bindings, altho I dont know which year it is.

 

Anyone got experience/information about stiffness/edge grip/power of those skis?

I dont care about the looks of the ski or brand I just want the most demanding/stiff one :D

 

I own a pair of those Rossignols and I think they're great. I think they'd work very well for what you're asking.

 

I am not knowledgeable enough about the Atomics to help you out (hopefully someone else can).

 

Another one from the same site would be the Head Worldcup i.SL RD, which is on sale.  For some reason the exact link doesn't seem to want to cut and paste.  Go to the Racingsport tab, Head skis, page 2 and make sure you see the i.SL RD. RD stands for race department and that's the designation that tells you you're getting the stiffest version of the race ski.  It's the 2011/2012 model, which is probably why it's on sale.  I just sold a pair of those skis and I loved them.  They would also do what you want.

 

HEAD

Worldcup i.SL RD (155 - 165 cm) (Mod. 11/12)

Artikel Nr. 310021EUR 699,00 EUR 459,00

  • INFO

    Maximale Drehzahl ab der ersten Sekunde. Dieser turbo-geladene Slalomski wurde konstruiert um Schnee schmelzen zu lassen. Mit Worldcup Sandwich Konstruktion und KERS Technologie. 

    Head - Die schnellsten Skier der Welt. Wir entwickeln und realisieren technische Ideen bis zur Produktionsreife. Von der Idee bis zum fertigen Produkt. Alles aus einer Hand.

 

 

 

post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by Pecino View Post

Thanks for all the information smile.gif

I made some research and found these skis available in my location:

http://www.schultes.at/racingsport/racing-ski/atomic/salomon-superfleet-hz-midlayer-manner-4.html

http://www.schultes.at/racingsport/racing-ski/rossignol/radical-wc-201.html

The last one doesnt have website in english so here is picture of the ski:
http://www.p-sport.cz/files/photos/original/c/c227347578d0d0c0f17c7e5b2af2894b0e6684b6.jpg

and full name of that ski is: ''FIS ATOMIC RACE SL MEN'' + Atomic X12 bindings, altho I dont know which year it is.

Anyone got experience/information about stiffness/edge grip/power of those skis?
I dont care about the looks of the ski or brand I just want the most demanding/stiff one biggrin.gif

The last one you linked to is the 2012 atomic Fis slalom. An excellent ski, and would match your requirements very well but I would not recommend with the x12 binding. You really want at least the x16 given your weight.

I can't open the first link bit if it is the salomon Fis slalom it is basically the same ski as the atomic

I race slalom on the dynastar version of the rossignol and it is a great ski. Compared to the atomic, which I have also used, it is a bit lighter and snappier than the atomic (although as we are comparing 2 of the best FIS slalom skis we are talking minute differences here). However, bear in mind that I am 165 pounds rather than 300. I don't think you will be disappointed with either, I think I might tend towards the atomic in your case though based on weight.
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post #9 of 11

I am interested to learn about the stiffness difference between race stock slalom skis and pro-sumer models. The 2012 Rossi's 9sl TI I bought at the end of last season (prosumer model) are very stiff skis. Much stiffer and I would call them 2X4's. I bought two pairs of used Volkl Racetiger race stock skis for my son and they are much, much softer. I own a pair of prosumer Elan RC prosumer slalom skis from the early 90's (205cm) and they are the stiffest pair in the basement.  My conclusion is stiffness varies from ski model to model. You have to know the ski or flex one for yourself. 

 

I do think the race stock volkl's I bought are the womens skis  (155 cm slalom, 175 GS) and that is why they are softer. My son is 14 so I think they are just right.

 

Could someone who has skied or knows the different brands and models give me some insight??

post #10 of 11
To the OP: if you don't mind spending around 900-1000 euros, look at the Bomber skis. One word, incredible. And by far the only skis that will truly support your weight well. THey are as stiff as some of the skis of some WC guys. And they are made in Europe.

http://www.artechski.com/bomber-2012-b-1-slalom-race-skis.aspx#.UJZMlZG9KSM
post #11 of 11
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post

 

I own a pair of those Rossignols and I think they're great. I think they'd work very well for what you're asking.

 

I am not knowledgeable enough about the Atomics to help you out (hopefully someone else can).

 

Another one from the same site would be the Head Worldcup i.SL RD, which is on sale.  For some reason the exact link doesn't seem to want to cut and paste.  Go to the Racingsport tab, Head skis, page 2 and make sure you see the i.SL RD. RD stands for race department and that's the designation that tells you you're getting the stiffest version of the race ski.  It's the 2011/2012 model, which is probably why it's on sale.  I just sold a pair of those skis and I loved them.  They would also do what you want.

 

+1 on the Head i.SL RD. The 2010/2011 model was pretty much my everyday ski last season (beating my Head i.M78s into 2nd place)  and a blast to ski on if most of what you're doing is carving hard on icy groomers.

 

Bob: old habits die hard, eh..... pushing a Head icon14.gif

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