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There's no excuse, but there is a reason and New designs actually change the way I ski How about you

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I owe this whole group a heartfelt apology. Last March I decided to blow up a few things in my life, burn the bridges, and change my luck for the better. I posted something even I couldn't read after typing it, name calling, insults, and accusations. I didn't think about the people who would unwittingly read the post; only what would work for me. I was totally selfish.

 

This has been blowing my mind.
There are many things we do differently with a 5 point rockered ski.

One is that I see the terrain differently now. As I ski into what I see ahead, many more possibilities appear to me.

post #2 of 15

Good to have you back.  There were some odd posts, weren't there?

 

I hope to ski with you this season.  I don't own any 5-point skis, but I am curious about the specifics of what you notice.  What is it about the terrain and the way the skis handle it?  Are you talking just off-piste soft snow, or more conditions?  Color me intrigued.

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To answer your question.... Yes! Gear does change the way we ski & view the sport!

My realization was this: racer boots & bindings on fat skis result in far too much lift & result in a binary feel. 20 years ago, I could ski anything on the same ski. Until last season I was locked on a prescribed radius. Strip the lift & you have a surfy paradise.

We all learn.

Worst offender: marker duke, I have pulled all of mine & remounted MFX or FKS flat!
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Originally Posted by Xela View Post

Good to have you back.  There were some odd posts, weren't there?

 

I hope to ski with you this season.  I don't own any 5-point skis, but I am curious about the specifics of what you notice.  What is it about the terrain and the way the skis handle it?  Are you talking just off-piste soft snow, or more conditions?  Color me intrigued.


 

Just speaking of deep fresh snow:

for example:

You can ski sharply concave chutes and gulleys because the tip and tail don't hook up like they would on a stiff fully cambered ski with a     lot of sidecut.

When you have to hit your mark to make a line, you can extend a turn with a slarve rather than add another quick turn.

You can NOT finish a turn with a check/platform to hop into the next turn; the tail power just isn't there. A silky smooth transition works in lieu of.

Staying centered or slightly forward is even MORE important to make the ski perform, which it will not do if you are sitting on the tails.

Pushing them to higher speeds, they feel a little shaky, but never hook up or fail, so let 'em fly.

I take about half the power I used to employ to maneuver. You SHOULD back off the force and let the ski glide.

Lots more things change also. What have you found?

 

This year is huge for me. Looking forward to hooking up for a few laps anytime. I will be so stoked out there.

post #5 of 15

Interesting to see you have opened a new chapter in your skiing, and look forward to your observations.
 

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^^^^ Hey, good to hear from you. We all go through periods where it's tough not to act out online. Well, except for me. wink.gif Agree about rockered 5 points in tight soft terrain; magic. In other terrain, still looking for the perfect tail, though. Hmmm that came out wrong. Oh well...

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Having smearability in your arsenal of tricks literally adds another dimension of stability to your skiing. Suddenly you are skiing faster and with more confidence.  I was an old school curmudgeon when it came to resisting fat and rockered skis, but the advantages they give you in almost all types of terrain and snow conditions is huge, although there is a tendency by the industry and skiers to go so fat and so rockered that it starts creating new problems instead of solving old ones.

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I wonder how much of the "magic" comes from the rocker vs. the 5-point shape.  Personally, I wouldn't classify my Bonafides as a 5-point, but there's definitely some rocker.  I think I can relate to some of what davluri describes, both pro and con.  The whole tail thing seems to be a zero-sum game.

post #9 of 15

OK, I'll bite.  What is a 5 point ski?   My two ski quiver has rockers;  Rossi S7 my over 5" ski and Blizzard Bonafides.  Yes certainly agree that these skis are different.  Without getting into a lot of technical jargon-which I avoid- the skis have mainly given me the confidence in all terrain off piste conditions to ski pretty well, enough to really enjoy myself with a big smile.

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For me there's a lot to the five point design. I like the widest part of the front of the ski to be closer to my foot, and not way out at the tip. that's big to me.

 

I don't like the tail to widen proportionally to the tip, as in tip (-) 10 to14mm. I know this because I skied the Sixth Sense Huge for a couple seasons, and it didn't really work, not powerful, not playful.

 

rossi blew my mind (not a hard thing to do): when I was easing the edge of the carbon top lam with a file and abrasive paper, I could feel the carbon, and then in the rocker part of the tip, a rubber layer, just like the shark nose of the B-Squad. but that didn't blow my mind, I knew to expect that; what blew my mind ..... is that the tail rockered section has the same rubber dampening layer.  I bet that right now they are the only ones doing that. just genius, period.

 

For me the  pin tail is crucial, and the issue of insufficient support or pop is not a problem, don't lean back. With this tail, and throttling back the power, I have made the smoothest turns of my life.

 

but you'll have to explain what a zero sum game is and whether Rossi wins. biggrin.gif

 

The five point is the shape of a smile. As in S7's. The widest part of the front of the ski is about 50cm in front of the toe pc and the widest part of the tail about 38cm behind the tail pc, instead of being at the tip and tail. This is putting the float or plane where you want it and not creating a lot of opposing forces at the extreme tip and tail. The five point refers to the additional two breaks in the sidecut where the ski tapers about 40cm from the tip and 25cm from the tail. (This on my son's 188's.)

 

 

video on unofficialnetworks site of the  Chugach, with someone riding the Super 7's a little. around 1"25". worth a look. called The Chugach Teaser by Greg Stafford.

 

that film of the Chugach has some really nice skiing in it. I show that to you. I don't show me doing that. those guys do it better. I do have this problem with a  lot of video shown, like...yeah, but there are skiers who shread so much harder. (show me that)


Edited by davluri - 10/30/12 at 5:49pm
post #11 of 15

Dav, welcome back!

 

I think I have said the same thing once upon a time.  5 point skis are great fun  (why they call em fun shapes) and they do let me look at terrain differently on a powder day. 

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I owe this whole group a heartfelt apology. Last March I decided to blow up a few things in my life, burn the bridges, and change my luck for the better. I posted something even I couldn't read after typing it, name calling, insults, and accusations. I didn't think about the people who would unwittingly read the post; only what would work for me. I was totally selfish.

Thank You Dave. icon14.gif

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Dave, 

Sorry, I might be the lone ranger, actually I'm not, but I dislike 5 point skis. I find them...I guess sloppy for lack of a better word. Hooking up, when I don't want them to hook up and no tail or so it seems. There are some ripping skis coming out this year, but you won't find me on a 5 point skis.

 

Out of all of this years skis that I have skied on, the Atomic Benchetler was one of the ones I liked the most in deeper snow, K2s Side Seth was really nice also. Sorry can't get behind the 5 points, but to each their own.

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Dave, 

Sorry, I might be the lone ranger, actually I'm not, but I dislike 5 point skis. I find them...I guess sloppy for lack of a better word. Hooking up, when I don't want them to hook up and no tail or so it seems. There are some ripping skis coming out this year, but you won't find me on a 5 point skis.

 

Out of all of this years skis that I have skied on, the Atomic Benchetler was one of the ones I liked the most in deeper snow, K2s Side Seth was really nice also. Sorry can't get behind the 5 points, but to each their own.

I believe that Bentchettler is a five point side cut. so: beercheer.gifLike a S7 , wider and stiffer and straighter, kind of a bad a$$ S7, and not as easy going. 


Edited by davluri - 10/30/12 at 10:38pm
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

I believe that Bentchettler is a five point side cut. so: beercheer.gifLike a S7 , wider and stiffer and straighter, kind of a bad a$$ S7, and not as easy going. 

Yeah, you may have me on that one, but I don't consider it a 5 point as much as some of the others ie; S7, Super 7, DPS, all of which I have skied and don't like at all. The Benchettler is a bada$$ ski, though so there is common ground to a certain extent. Have you skied that thing Dave? I'm guessing you would like it. 

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