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Replace my Dynastar Legend 8000s with which mid-fat ski?

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Thread Starter 

Me -- 5'10", 155lbs (+10 in gear?), 32 y/o, ~70 days total over 4 years so far on snow. Wish I'd started sooner!

 

Where I ski -- PNW, with occasional trips to Tahoe/Utah/Colorado

 

What I ski -- Everything inbounds except park/pipe.

 

Skill -- Average off-piste, above-average on. I carve on groomers that aren't boilerplate. I struggle with firm bumps. I never cruise - meaning that I'm always pushing my comfort level on all types of terrain - albeit it might be a lower bar than for many. Overall, I think of myself as an advanced-intermediate skier, with an edge on the groomers ;). I really love the technical aspect of skiing, so am constantly focussing on trying to improve my technique, rather than just the difficulty of the run, or the time taken to come down it. Having said that, I spend more time off-piste than on. For example, at Crystal here in WA, I spend most of my day at Northway. Stevens, back-side. Whistler, Harmony. Blackcomb, Seventh & the glacier. You get the idea.

 

Current skis -- My 172cm Legend 8ks (w/ Salomon Falcon CS boots) have been great so far in all conditions (even deep snow). But one demo on a pair of Atomic Access skis @ Heavenly and I realized that I do like a wider ski - albeit with a stiffer tip than the Access. And the Legends are a bit chattery on firmer snow and twitchy in cut up snow.

 

Looking for -- A 1-quiver ski! I'd like it to be stable through cut up heavy snow (PNW!) and fun in bumps. Absolute groomer performance is not crucial, but I do enjoy them! So wider than a mid-90 seems like a bad fit

 

I know... demo! demo! demo! But I always seems to miss out on the demo days and have too tight a budget to pay the high prices of local stores. So the online deals constantly tempt me, but I haven't pulled the trigger yet in fear of buyer's remorse. Some skis that come to mind:

 

176 Kastle FX94 - Sounds like the right ski for me, if I could find it at the right price! :)

172 Dynastar Sultan 94

170/177 Salomon Sentinel - too much ski for me?

173 Blizzard Bonafide - I like cambered skis. So will I enjoy these?

178 Fischer Watea 94 - Will I miss the metal in the ski?

 

Enlighten me!

post #2 of 12

At Crystal you probably know this but for $49 you can demo as many skis as you want ( or at least as many as you can fit in during the day).  A couple years ago I called them and they sent me a list of all the demo skis and sizes that they had available.  I was actually surprised at the variety of brands and makes that they carried.  I'm assuming its the same even though they now have the RDL specialty shop at the top under the gondola landing. 

 

BTW, I too spend a majority of time in Northback (and the Southback when it's open).

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It appears that the new Cham (wow) would fit the bill.

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I think you're on the right path with the FX94.  Certainly worth a demo though, as they have a unique feel.  Trying to find a good pair at an affordable price is another thing.  I wouldn't baulk at buying a decent second hand pair, although that's just my approach to things.

 

The LX92 is on the same wavelength, just a slightly different shape/construction.  If you do demo the FX94 try to demo the LX92 as well.

 

Best of luck.

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Within the 90-100mm range the Bonafide gets great reviews as an allrounder, so worth a try.  From there you could prioritise on piste activity with the Rossi Experience 98 (stout ski - careful not to go too long), Nordica Enforcer or the Volkl Mantra (stiffest in class - especially in the tail).

 

Softening things up a little to allow for some off trail work you could look at the Nordica Hell & Back or Steadfast, the Blizzard Kabookie (a Bonafide without metal, assuming you can find one), the Line Prophet 98, Kastle BMX98 or even a dps Wailer 99.  

 

The Dynastar Cham 97 is a ski that requires a demo before making a call - it's a 'funshape ski' with a tapered pin tail, and it seems to polarise opinions. Go a little longer here as it apparently skis quite short.

 

Jeez, there's a whole host of great skis just below 90mm as well.  Hardly anyone makes a bad ski anymore, and you're spoiled for choice.  I would certainly try hard to make plans for a demo day.  It's the only sure fire way to ensure you really enjoy the skis you buy.  But do try to demo that FX94.

 

Best of luck.

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Now here's some terrain that I am pretty familiar with. . .

 

Based on your self-description and the fact that you want something a bit more stiff than the Access (a great, underappreicated ski, imo), I'd say that the P98 should be at the top of your list.  It will take you everywhere you want to go at Crystal or Stevens on any day.  More damp than the Access, but still forgiving and a really nice even flex pattern.  Another ski that you should consider is the Atomic Alibi - you liked the Access, the Alibi at 98 is a somewhat similar concept with a metal spine laid into the core.  Try it, it might be what you are looking for. 

 

The Bonafide is another appropriate tool for the job, but it is more damp and might be a bit much at your weight.  Plus, it won't make you better in firm bumps than you already are.

 

The Cham 97 might be a great choice, but I agree with Sinbad7 that it is one to demo.  I've been on the 107, not the 97, but the tail and shovel (the two key design features) are similar so I can somewhat infer what it would be like.  I definitely plan to get some demo time in on the 97 this year, if only to pique my curiosity.  I'd love to see more discussion on this board from folks who have logged real days on the 97 as the reviews and impressions are so all over the map.

 

The Crystal demo program is a great way to ride a ton of skis and decide for yourself.  Definitely worth the $50 and if you go mid-week, you have your choice of a huge selection.  You can swap out all day at the base or at the RDL center - and they have a great selection to choose from.  The most relevant reviews for you are your own reviews.

 

Good luck and have a great season.  It might be a good one out here.

post #7 of 12
Try the Salomon BBR. Good all condition quiver and a very enjoyable ski. Easy on off piste, great on crud and snappy on the groomers.
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the responses, folks!

 

Would you say that the Salomon Sentinels (either at 170 or 177) are too much ski for me? Have a possible deal on them, so just wondering.

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Originally Posted by Karthik Subramanyam View Post

Thanks for the responses, folks!

 

Would you say that the Salomon Sentinels (either at 170 or 177) are too much ski for me? Have a possible deal on them, so just wondering.

Sentinel is quite a stiff ski with hardly any rocker if I remember it correctly.  While it is a great ski for many people, I'd doubt it will work well for your weight and ability level.  A great deal on a wrong ski won't do you much good. 

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Originally Posted by Buttinski View Post

It appears that the new Cham (wow) would fit the bill.

Yes, this would be a ski worth demoing. I demo'd the Cham 97 in a 178cm length, and really liked the ski. In fact, if I was looking to replace my Legend 8k's, this would have been the ski for me. But, as I have talked to several people who have demo'd them, you either love this ski, or you don't. So demo before you buy. The tip flaps some, and that can be a bit disconcerting. I found it efortless in the moguls, with decent float. Certainly better float than my Legends. Easy to ski moguls, you can either carve in the trenches, or smear on the tops. The 178cm is just stupid easy to ski for its width.

 

Check out the Salomon Sentinel as well. At least give it a shot. It felt similar to the Legend 8k, with just a bit of tip rocker, and flat tail. I didn't find it overly stiff. It has a damp feel but not so stiff, that you can't get it to work for you, even at moderate speeds. Handles crud well for those PNW mank days.

 

Don't overlook going wider, and check out the Rossi S3. Try both the 176 and 186, and see if maybe you are ready to step up to a longer ski, that skis a little shorter. If you like hanging out in Northway, or feeling like going for a bootpack up the King, this is a good tool for going exploring for some pow stashes. Not stiff. Not a noodle. The tip rocker gives really easy float, and the tail rocker, allows for working in the bumps, and quick turns in the trees of Northway.

post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 

I know that I shoulda demo'd. I also feel, deep down, that the Kastle FX94 was the right long-term ski for me.

 

But.

 

I found a pair of 2012 Dynastar Legend 94s 178cm skis for $319 shipped. Brand new. Given the similarity in shape to the Legend 8ks which I have and love, I pulled the trigger. I suspect I'll like them. A lot. And I'm hoping the full sidewalls and slightly higher torsional rigidity will also translate to better grip on hard snow as well inspite of the wider waist.

 

Pairing them with Tyrolia Peak 12 bindings for knee-happiness.

Oh and all the goodies were delivered yesterday beercheer.gif

 

One thing that was instantly noticeable was the higher damping in the shovel.

 

Can I PLEASE start sliding down some mountains already!!!

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Originally Posted by Karthik Subramanyam View Post


I found a pair of 2012 Dynastar Legend 94s 178cm skis for $319 shipped.

 

Nice. I'm sure that as Dynastar fan you will like them. (Like you, I went from a ski from the 8000 generation to one of the n-1 Legends like your 94 and was very happy.) Just curious: Why didn't you go for the 172cm length mentioned in your original post? Not saying this is a problem; at your height you'll probably be okay on the 178. Just wondering.

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