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Binding placement on Atomic Automatics

post #1 of 14
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Has anyone had a chance to try different binding mount placements on the 186 Atomic Automatics?

 

I'm 5'10", 175 lbs and an aggressive skier.  295 length boot.  Skis will be used more on powder days, in glades, trees and bowls.  I'll be using the Atomic Tracker.  

 

Looking at the bindings on the skis, my initial guess is to mount the bindings at the center line, neither forward or back.  Jonathan Elsworth from Blister review said he had them mounted 5 mm back from the team (center) line. 

 

Comments based on experience with this ski would be very welcome.

post #2 of 14

Read Blister Reviews; think they mention that. 

post #3 of 14
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

Read Blister Reviews; think they mention that. 


Thanks.  I reread the review and then read the comments after the review (which I had not read before) and found this comment from Jonathan...

 

Hi, Pete – because our Automatics are mounted with Tracker 16s, I wasn’t able to play with the mount point, and my boot sole center ended up at -.5cm. But as I think you can tell from my review, there was nothing about the ski’s performance that had me searching for ways to improve it.

But personally, if I was going to mount up a pair with alpine bindings, I would probably just go on the Team line…for no especially good reason…rather than .5 cms back. This doesn’t feel like a ski that would be hyper-sensitive to that .5cm change.

 

 

He later added..

 

Our straight tape pull is 184.2cm, so true center is 92.1cm from tip or tail.

Atomic has two mount point recommendations: “Center” and “Team.”

By “Center,” they mean “center-ish,” because that line is 100cm back from the tip.

Their team line is then 2.5cm back from there, at 102.5cm from the tip.


Edited by canadianskier - 10/24/12 at 4:33pm
post #4 of 14

I have my Automatics on order right now, and a pair of STH 16's to bolt to the top. (Kind of regret not going with the Guardians/Trackers)

 

I will more then likely be mounting mine on the Team line, or 1 cm back from there. Check out the thread on TGR. Sage explains how and where his are mounted. Sounds like team line is the place to be, and it is in the center of the side cut, which should help getting back to the lift.

post #5 of 14
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thanks grandprixone,

 

I spent some time looking for the TGR thread you mentioned, but couldn't find it.  Do you have a link?

post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 

Found the thread

 

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/230485-Atomic-Automatic-new-ski-designed-by-Sage-Dana-for-2012-13/page4

 

For what I'm doing with the skis and my skiing style, I'll put on the team line.

 

Thanks

post #7 of 14

Glad you found it! After I posted, I realized I didn't have a link, I then became distracted by a shiny object...

 

Anyways, post a review once you get them mounted and ski them! You will for sure be on yours long before I am on mine. I have only skiied them on hard pack, and Tte Mid-Atlantic/Western-East coast doesn't exactly get dumps in November or even early December. 

post #8 of 14

The crazy part about that TGR thread discussing the Automatic is when Sage comes in and mentions that he mounts his bindings by standing on the skis while flat and moving his feet until they look dialed in.  You know you're good when you can mount your skis based on feel.

post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 

I'm nowhere near that skilled.

post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by grandprixone View Post

I have my Automatics on order right now, and a pair of STH 16's to bolt to the top. (Kind of regret not going with the Guardians/Trackers)

 

I will more then likely be mounting mine on the Team line, or 1 cm back from there. Check out the thread on TGR. Sage explains how and where his are mounted. Sounds like team line is the place to be, and it is in the center of the side cut, which should help getting back to the lift.

It seems crazy to go behind the team-line. That is sooo far behind the center of the ski, and you won't get much tail. Team line is not center of sidecut. 2.5cm in front of team line is. So if you go further back you will be really far from actual center and also center of sidecut. I think sage skis around 2-3cm in front of team line, and Dane 2cm in front of team line. Dane is pretty directional, so I myself will mount mine at +2 once I get my pair. Right now I have Bent Chetlers mounted at -4cm from center. They were at -3.5cm before (which I liked better). Team line on the BC is at -2.5. Just my input to the matter :)

post #11 of 14

Oh, and I wanted to ask you guys if you have tried the skis, to get some input on how you like the mounting point you used :)

post #12 of 14

Well, I now have about 7 days on my 193 Automatics and thought I would weigh-in. 

 

I did a bunch of research on mount points before deciding where I would mount up mine.  I am 6'1" / 195 and decided to go forward of the line based on all the feedback I found from those who have preceded me.  I ended up going +1.5 from the line and feel it was a good decision.  The skis feel very balanced and have a good combination of fun and stability.

 

To put it in perspective, my previous powder ski has been an older set of Scott P4's, 108 under foot with standard camber with no rocker/early rise.  They were fun, but this is new territory for me.

 

The first couple days were on groomers and some soft leftovers in the trees and steeper bowls/chutes at Snowbasin.  The next 4 days were in powder.  Saturday at Solitude where it snowed all day with maybe 10" - 12" by the last chair.  Sunday was at Snowbasin with 27" in 2 days and perfect timing on the opening of No Name.  Then Alta on Tuesday with about 4" at first chair and about 14" by last chair, with free refills all day long.  Wednesday was a bluebird day at Snowbird, where they opened the high traverse in Mineral Basin for some fresh untracked runs back to the lift.  Needless to say, I got a good idea of how they handled fresh powder.

 

I could not be happier with the skis and my choice of mount location.  They rock in powder and make it effortless to slash and slarve in the wide open bowls as well as the tight trees.  I usually stayed away from bumps, but the soft bumps were a blast and the rocker made it so much easier on my knees.  Groomers are much better than anticipated and can rail with some high edge angles.

 

For contrast, I also got to do back-to back run comparisons with the 186 Automatic's mounted on the line (compared to +1.5 on my 193's).  Even though they are shorter, the standard mount made them ski very similar in the powder and only slightly less stable in crud/chop.  The biggest difference was on the groomed, where they felt much less stable at high speed.  But that would be expected with a shorter ski.


Edited by NeedToSki - 3/2/13 at 10:03am
post #13 of 14

Not having read the entire thread, but having 193 Automatics mounted with Guardian bindings, my take is;  if your a lightweight, you may go somewhere between +1-+2.  However, heavier guys will mount closer if not on the team line.  At 210lbs before gear, I mounted on the line and they feel great.

post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by liv2 ski View Post

Not having read the entire thread, but having 193 Automatics mounted with Guardian bindings, my take is;  if your a lightweight, you may go somewhere between +1-+2.  However, heavier guys will mount closer if not on the team line.  At 210lbs before gear, I mounted on the line and they feel great.

 

Agreed.  This is good advice and should work for most.

And although I don't consider myself a lightweight, the +1.5 works perfect for me.

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