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All Mountain Ski for Lake Tahoe: Prophet 98, Atomic Alibi, Nordica Enforcer

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

Hi All,

 

I am sure that my question is not really unique, but I'll try to ask anyhow.

I am intermediate to advanced level skier (level 7 per http://skiing.about.com/od/downhillskiing/a/abilitylevels.htm ) who believes that he outgrow hes present ski and shopping for a new model.

I am 39 years old male, 192 lbs, 6.0', currently skiing Atomic Metron 9 171 since 2006 and believe that this ski no longer delivered to my expectations (very unstable at speed).

 

I am doing 50%-60% groomers and 50%-40% off-piste (depends with whom I am skiing), but planning to do more off-piste and a little of bumps and moguls.

 

I am thinking between:

Line Prophet 90 179

Line Prophet 98 179

Atomic Alibi 180

 

and someone suggested may be Nordica Enforcer 178 or so.

 

I would really appreciate for any advice. Thank you.

 

Oleg

 

P.S. I am normally skiing at Kirkwood, Squaw and Northstar (about 10 to 20 days per season)

post #2 of 20

I have lived in Tahoe for 35 yrs and sold skis for a living most of that time. Here's what I would suggest if you were in my store and looking at skis.

 

If you find the M-9/171 to be unstable at speed, then then you are probably either over your stated skiing level or you are under it. Over means that you have gone past what the M9 can give you as far as stability (this is very possible). Under means that you are sliding around with low edge angles and not utilizing the guts of the ski.

 

IAC.........the 90-100mm range offers a great number of suitable skis as daily driver solutions for Tahoe skiers. Among the skis you have asked about, here are some thoughts.

 

Prophet 90 = good ski for it's day but currently rather obsolete. Many 88-90mm skis currently surpass the P-90.

Prophet 98 = Excellent choice

Atomic Alibi = OK but really best suited for lighter skiers.

Nordica Enforcer = 2013 model is possibly the best of all the 98mm skis and a great choice as a daily driver for Tahoe.

 

SJ

post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 

Thank you Jim,

 

then I will try both Nordica Enforcer and Prophet 98 and will see which one is suited me better. I think, I am biased more toward Prophet 98, because it have to be softer ski than Enforcer (but since I haven't skiing either one, it just a guess by looking over technical specifications).

 

- Oleg

post #4 of 20
Jim,

I'm interested to hear what your favorite 90mm skis are now. I have the P 90 currently.
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 

Is Nordica Enforcer is a stiffer version of Volkl Mantra ?

thank you,

 

Oleg
 

post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by WC68 View Post

Jim,
I'm interested to hear what your favorite 90mm skis are now. I have the P 90 currently.

 

I currently like the Nordica Steadfast, Head Rev 90 and the Dynastar Outland 87 (among others) in that width range.

 

SJ

post #7 of 20
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Originally Posted by Oleg S View Post

Is Nordica Enforcer is a stiffer version of Volkl Mantra ?

thank you,

 

Oleg
 


No........................Exactly the opposite. There is nothing in the 98mm range that is stiffer than the Mantra.

 

 

 

SJ

post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 

thank you Jim,

 

Last question, what I am looking a 98 which will also perform great (may be "ok", after all it is 98) on groomers (I am hoping to spend on groomers at least

50%).

Which ski in your opinion would feet the requirement better:

 

Line Prophet 98

Nordica Enforcer

Blizzard Bonafide

(something else?)

 

Or to use on groomers, 98 is totally wrong approach?

 

thank you,

 

Oleg
 

post #9 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleg S View Post

thank you Jim,

 

Last question, what I am looking a 98 which will also perform great (may be "ok", after all it is 98) on groomers (I am hoping to spend on groomers at least

50%).

Which ski in your opinion would feet the requirement better:

 

Line Prophet 98

Nordica Enforcer

Blizzard Bonafide

(something else?)

 

Or to use on groomers, 98 is totally wrong approach?

 

thank you,

 

Oleg
 

 

Not the wrong approach at all depending upon what you expect. We sell 98mm skis as daily drivers for Tahoe but we are careful to qualify the customer first. The category is suited for 50/50 skiers not groomer cruisers and hence the category is laden with compromise. The compromise lies in the fact that the skis that perform the best on groomers are generally the worst in soft or mixed snow and bumpy conditions. There are those that swear that they ski off trail all the time but that they never ski bumps. For the major Tahoe resorts......that just doesn't compute. Off trail conditions at Squaw, Alpine etc. are heavily tracked out by noon and the crud is forming up into piles by two. Those piles will usually be soft bumps in a few days. All the skis you mention here work well on groomers and have adequate grip considering the category.

 

P98 = Least rocker, lightest, most nimble, has most sidecut feel. Least stable but probably easiest.

Enforcer = More tip rocker than P98, flat tail, most stable of the three. Probably the best of the three on groomers.

Bone = Similar tip rocker as Enforcer but adds a touch of tail rocker. Slightly less stable than Enforcer, slightly more nimble.

 

SJ

post #10 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oleg S View Post

Hi All,

 

I am sure that my question is not really unique, but I'll try to ask anyhow.

I am intermediate to advanced level skier (level 7 per http://skiing.about.com/od/downhillskiing/a/abilitylevels.htm ) who believes that he outgrow hes present ski and shopping for a new model.

I am 39 years old male, 192 lbs, 6.0', currently skiing Atomic Metron 9 171 since 2006 and believe that this ski no longer delivered to my expectations (very unstable at speed).

 

I am doing 50%-60% groomers and 50%-40% off-piste (depends with whom I am skiing), but planning to do more off-piste and a little of bumps and moguls.

 

I am thinking between:

Line Prophet 90 179

Line Prophet 98 179

Atomic Alibi 180

 

and someone suggested may be Nordica Enforcer 178 or so.

 

I would really appreciate for any advice. Thank you.

 

Oleg

 

P.S. I am normally skiing at Kirkwood, Squaw and Northstar (about 10 to 20 days per season)

+1 for the M-9 being scary at speed. Really scary. 

Being of similar build to you I would recommend the Nordica. I would like to add a disclaimer to this by saying that i'm a power skier, I prefer to ski through things rather than over them. Also i'm a PSIA 3.  I found the Line 98, and Alibi too soft. IMHO.

post #11 of 20
Thread Starter 

thank you All,

 

for Nordica Enforcer (I am thinking about 177), what would be good bindings:

 

- Marker Griffon

- Look Pivot 14 (I'm guessing pivot would be overkill)

- ? anything else

 

thank you again,

 

Oleg

post #12 of 20

Just a heads up Start Haus seems to be having a nice sale on Enforcers. At your size i wouldn't be too scared of the 185, it might be a bit much at first but you'll step up to it with a little coaching. Remember it has early rise so your effective edge is shorter.

http://shop.starthaus.com/store/pc/2012-Nordica-Enforcer-Ski-Cosmetic-Blemish-p10010.htm

 

As far as bindings, don't worry too much. As long as you sit in the middle of the din range. I am a fan of Tyrollia personally and of course the FKS is a great binding. Find a good deal, and buy new.

 

 

Happy Hunting!

post #13 of 20

^^^^^^^^^ Thanks for the plug but the "blem" fleet is close to dried up. Also, FWIW those were the 2012 version of the Enforcer which was/is one of the great skis of the last several years but does not have the rocker of the 2013 version. The 2013 version has improved an already great ski but unfortunately, it is not widely distributed. We have some, but can't get any more. Fortunately, the three skis in question are all really, really good and as we have stated before, the 98mm category is sort of an embarrassment of riches.

 

IAC for bindings, the pivot is never overkill and is possibly the best package of binding characteristics available today. The Salomon STH drivers, and higher end Tyrolias are also great choices.

 

SJ

post #14 of 20

Oh...Well i thought they were early rise. Thanks for the info Jim.

post #15 of 20
Thread Starter 

Hi Jim,

 

I am not sure I understand "...^^^^^^^^^ Thanks for the plug but the "blem" fleet is close to dried up. Also, FWIW those were the 2012 version of the Enforcer which was/is one of the great skis of the last several years but does not have the rocker of the 2013 version...".

 

What is "FWIW" stands for?

Also, are you saying that Nordica Enforcer 2012 is different from Nordica Enforcer 2013 (except the graphics)? If that is true, could you please explain 'how it is different', unfortunately, Nordica web site doesn't explain it at all.

 

Thank you

 

Oleg

post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 

got it FWIW -- "For What it Worth"  :)

 

"a slow rise tip profile that rises from the snow at a very gradual rate"

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

is this year Enforcer has a more gradual "slow rise tip" AKA rocker, vs. last year?

 

thank you again,

 

Oleg

post #17 of 20

Any tip rise on the 2012 Enforcer is largely in the imagination of the marketing dept. For 2013 it is actually there. For all that, the Enforcer for 2012 was among the very best skis on the market within it's width category. For 2013 it is slightly better.

 

SJ

post #18 of 20
Thread Starter 

Yes, Jim, you are right...

I went to the store this weekend (store has both 2011 and 2012 Nordica Enforcer) and I had not noticed the difference other then graphics.

So, it possible that Enforcer 2012 has some rocker there, but I had not noticed it.


Edited by Oleg S - 10/29/12 at 10:18am
post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 

I ended up with Blizzard Bonafide 2014.

post #20 of 20

Hey all...I know this thread is a bit old but I was wondering if someone could tell me the diff between the Line P98 2011/2012/2013 versions if anything other than top sheet?

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