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Wider ski advice for 2-ski quiver

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

Hey there, am looking for some advice if possible on wider skis, here's my situation:

 

I'm a bit of a bigger guy, 6'1", 187 lbs, Advanced level, athletic, prefer harder charging on the frontside and am used to conventional camber, but I'm looking to improve my skills in the softer stuff, trees, and non-groomed areas (think Jay, SB, MRG).  I already have a frontside side ripper (75mm) so rather than looking for an all-rounder (88-90mm-ish) that might overlap too much, I'm thinking of going wider (94-98mm-ish) to establish a decent 2-ski quiver.  Something for the deeper days and trees out East (Quebec and Vermont), but that I can also use as an all-rounder for occasional trips out West.

 

Thing is, I'm on a budget, so 2013 skis aren't in the cards for me unfortunately.  So I'm keeping my eyes open on some previous models and used/demo skis, which might limit my selection a bit, so I keep my eyes open for deals that might work for my situation.  

So here are a few I'm thinking of:

 

-Rossi E98 (too stiff and deep sidecut for tighter spaces and non-groom?)

-Kastle MX 98 (2nd gen version with tip/tail cutouts, I can get a deal on these which is why I mention them....but are they too soft for a bigger guy?)

-Dynastar Legend 94 (again, I can get a deal on them)

-Blizzard Bonafide (perhaps not best suited to East coast compared to other options?)

-Volkl Mantra (is it past its prime, with better options available now?)

 

If any others fit the bill, I'm open to options.

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 21

I submit that 2 pair of skis does not a quiver make.....wink.gif

post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 

Heh. Well let's call it a quiver wannabe....a mini-quiver of sorts wink.gif

 

Questions and advice-seeking still remain, however biggrin.gif

post #4 of 21

Amplid Rockwell's from last year are on offer on their site.

post #5 of 21

94-98 mm still sounds pretty narrow to me.  I bought a 105 mm waisted ski several years ago with the idea that it would be my deep powder day ski, instead it is my more or less everyday ski and I just bought a more powder specific ski for this year.   Maybe something like the k2 Kung Fujas would work for you.
 

post #6 of 21

 I am an East Coast skier, expert, really big guy, 6'4"  250 lbs. I did the two ski quiver this past season and I feel really good about it. I bought 100 mm Ski Logik Ullr's Charriots and 70 mm Rosi 9SL slalom race skis. The Chariots were realy fun skis once they were tuned properly. I think you would really like them or the Bones. I suggest you consider 90-105 mm wide skis. Depends on how much you want to use them in the East. Just FYI, I skied the Chariots as my only ski until the end of the season. I missed a race ski stifness and grip, otherwise the Chariots were fun on everything, ice included. My ski buddy bought Atomic Theory's as his wide ski. I think it is 95 mm underfoot. He also bought a pair of Chariots after I let him ski mine.

 

I would suggest the Bones as a ski you will enjoy on the East Coast. I felt like I wanted a wide ski that was still good on groomers with good edge hold. I didn't want a ski that was soft snow oriented, that would be my 3rd ski and make it an official quiver. Need to be going out West a lot for that to make sense for me. I think I would have been pretty happy with a one ski quiver like the Dynastar 4x4, Kastle MX 83, or a Nordica firearrow EDT. I was looking at used skis or discounted skis, and wound up where I did.

 

My experience for what its worth

post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thanks bttocs, appreciate the feedback.  Interestingly, I actually own a set of Dynastar 4x4 and love them for frontside and typical east coast conditions.  But they're too stiff for the trees and bumps I think.  They work pretty good out west though, but a wider hard snow biased ski might be better for me, because then I can take it out west for better versatility than the 4x4.  

 

I was thinking of getting something that's reasonably beefy (I don't mind something a bit stronger and damp-ish), so the Bones or maybe the Rossi E98 might work.  Hadn't thought of the Chariot, to be honest.  Almost pulled the trigger on a pair of Kastle MX 98/BMX 98 but I figured they might be too soft snow biased, and at my weight and skiing style the all wood construction might be too soft for me.  I've read several reviews of guys that loved them but they were also about 40lbs lighter than me too.

 

BTW, do you have the Chariot TT or RL version?  

post #8 of 21
Have you considered the Head Rock and roll? It is a very fun quick turning ski that is decent off piste. I suspect due to the ugly motorhead graphics there are some left over stock from last year on sale.
post #9 of 21
Good buddy of mine was in same situation and went with older Volkl Gotamas.

Some of the following would be good to try around 105-113mm:

Blizzard Cochise
Rossi Sickle
4FRNT Hoji or Turbo
ON3P Vicik
Armada TST
Volkl Gotama or Katana
post #10 of 21

Skyguy,

 

I have the TT version of the Chariots in 178 cm length. This past year's RL version didn't get the best recomendations. Apparently when the rocker was added, the ski was stiffened and hurt its performance. It needs some adjustments in its cambered section versus rockered section. Call Ski Logik to see if that has been done before purchasing. I personally like a cambered ski, especially if you want hard snow grip.

 

I would say the TT Chariot is one of the best tree skis made. It has incredible edge hold for the icy days, and plenty of width to float on soft snow days. Its 15 m turn radius allows it to carve short turns and for its width, its a quick ski. About the only thing it doesn't do, is pivot as easily as a rockered ski would. My buddies Atomic Theory's can be pivoted due to the tip rocker. The Chariots want to carve a short turn, which I prefer and gives more control. Its a difference in style.

 

Another friend bought a pair of Ski Logik Rock Stars, 117 mm wide, for skiing the trees and out of bounds at Cannon Mt. He bought the 178 cm length, also. He hasn't skied them yet, but is looking forward to it. These skis have lots of rocker and are really light for their width. He likes powder and has other skis for hard snow days.

 

The Chariots, Bones, Rock Stars are relatively stiff skis and don't need to be skied to long. I would recommned 178 cm length for you. Especially if you want them for trees, they will turn quicker if not too long.  A soft ski, like the Atomic Theory, needs to be longer, I have been on the 186 cm and that feels good for me. I could have handled the 188 cm Chariots, but they wouldn't have turned as quick in the trees and they are stiff enough to handle my weight at 178 cm. I have a good length for the East coast. If I wanted to use it as a soft snow ski (as opposed to an all round), the 188 would have been better.

 

The Rossi E98 and BMX 98 didn't get the best reviews on the Real Skier's web site. The FX 94 and the E88 were reviewed better. The legend 94 and 105's got really good reviews. I don't know much about them, but they might be a really good choice.

post #11 of 21

For what it's worth - my new 2SQ:

 

Moment Governor - 116 waist charger

Head Rock N Roll - 94 waist all-arounder

 

Feeling pretty confident in my new set-up.

 

Head - A somewhat easy going, but serious enough ski in the RnR - as well as a good travel/wife/kid/lower-snow ski with a 19.5 turn radius and traditional rounded tip with camber... Good groomer performance, but still can play off piste and smaller soft snow days.

 

Moment - And a pretty serious deeper snow ski that can do trees and handle groomers when necessary. Big tip, smaller tail for float and a flat/stiff tail for speed. My ski for new snow & buddy charging ski days. 

 

PS, live in Idaho and travel the west for work, which is why I wanted a good all around ski for travel - aka the Heads. However, if when I happen to be leaving and big snow on the radar, the Moments are the tools I'll bring.

post #12 of 21

You are exactly in the same situation I was in last year. Living in the north east (Canada) I decided to go with 2 pairs. I initially I got the Kastle mx88 thinking it would be my one ski do it all while my brother got the mx78's. Both great skis but i decided I was better off with a narrower and ski and then purchasing another pair in the 98-100mm range. So that's exactly what I did, traded my mx 88 to my brother for his mx78, and then I purchased the Blizzard Bonafides as my second pair. Long story short...best decision I ever made!

post #13 of 21

I would encourage you to think a little fatter.  Couple more to add to your list.

 

  • Line Influence 105 (My daily driver.)
  • Dynastar Legend Pro Rider 105
  • RMU Blue Light Special (110)
  • RMU Apostle (105)
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

I submit that 2 pair of skis does not a quiver make.....wink.gif

 

Well I've seen your quiver and you're a lunatic!

 

Don't take offense to being called a lunatic - I aspire to be a lunatic! 

post #15 of 21
Thread Starter 

Well gentlemen, I appreciate the input, but a 116 "charger" (seriously? That sounds like 2 surf boards anywhere on this side of the continent).......and a 105 "daily driver" may work for Idaho and Colorado where you each reside, but out here on the Ice Coast, that's quite excessive.  Not sure if you've ever been out this way, but an awesome powder day here can be 4" to many people, and the lack  of grooming would be the hot topic at lunch.

 

Frankly, I'm not one for surfing and lolly-gagging down the slopes.  And out here, those wouldn't even come close to something resembling a carve.   I have to chuckle when I hear, for example, TGR guys saying a 115 ski can "slay and rail" the groomers.  It's quite humorous, apparently they've never used a GS ski in their life and wouldn't know a high-edge angle if it slapped them.

 

In any event, I digress.  Thanks again for the consideration and thread revival.  I'll stick to something in the 92-98mm width, maybe a FX94 or Experience 98 might be more up my alley.

post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by Skyguy View Post

Well gentlemen, I appreciate the input, but a 116 "charger" (seriously? That sounds like 2 surf boards anywhere on this side of the continent).......and a 105 "daily driver" may work for Idaho and Colorado where you each reside, but out here on the Ice Coast, that's quite excessive.  Not sure if you've ever been out this way, but an awesome powder day here can be 4" to many people, and the lack  of grooming would be the hot topic at lunch.

 

Frankly, I'm not one for surfing and lolly-gagging down the slopes.  And out here, those wouldn't even come close to something resembling a carve.   I have to chuckle when I hear, for example, TGR guys saying a 115 ski can "slay and rail" the groomers.  It's quite humorous, apparently they've never used a GS ski in their life and wouldn't know a high-edge angle if it slapped them.

 

In any event, I digress.  Thanks again for the consideration and thread revival.  I'll stick to something in the 92-98mm width, maybe a FX94 or Experience 98 might be more up my alley.

 

Good call. Even if you lived in the west full time, that width range is perfectly good 90% of the time.

 

SJ
 

post #17 of 21

Last year models (and even earlier) are still available and an excellent choice for anyone.  We carry a ton of older models (just search by model year at www.shredset.com).

 

We just launched the only comparison shopping site dedicated to skis at shredset.com - check it out please!  I'd welcome feedback!

 

I skied Blizzard Cochise (2012) last season and had a blast on them - I'm sure the Bonadife are great!

post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the feedback SJ, much appreciated!

post #19 of 21

Would agree with Sunnyside....also live in the NE and own the MX 78 and Bonafide and couldn't be happier...I am 6' and 220....A cheaper option for you might be the Sentinel, which I also own, that is a fun ski in a 177....maybe too heavy for what you are looking for but great ski....

post #20 of 21
Legend 94s can be found relatively inexpensively. I had Bonafides last season and am going with Legend 94s this season. So far, on early season crud/coral reef or groomers they're quite composed, damp, agile. I'm 175#s on 178s. Had the 180 Bonafides.

I traded the Bonafides, which I liked a lot, for a bunch of photo equipment and don't really miss them thst much because the Legend 94s are very good. Both good skis.
post #21 of 21

You mentioned tree skiing and trips out west, if I were you I would go wider with a 98mm+ waisted ski. You would be surprised how well they "carve".

 

That being said, if you have already made up your mind best of luck to you and I hope it all works out.

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