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Rossignol S3 or Blizzard Bonafide? I am starting to sway towards S3.

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

So I am thinking of adding at 98mm ski to my quiver for skiing out west.  I, like everyone, have been very intrigued by the reviews on the Bonafides.  As I do not have the ability to demo I rely heavily on what is said in these forums.  I am a solid upper intermediate skier to beginning advanced skier.  6' 180lbs.  I was reading a thread that compared to Bonafide to three other skis. One reviewer stated that while the ski is a great ski, it is not for someone that can't "Stay on the ski" at all times.  This is where I don't think my abilities fall in line with a ski like the Bonafide.  With this in mind would the Rossignol S3 be a better fit for someone like me?  Does the S3 have the all around capabilities that are said about the Bonafide but more forgiving?

 

Thanks,

Brian

post #2 of 21

well, lets remember that a ski's width no longer really decribes its performance range or abilities. 

 

The Bone is a very versitile tool. it is at home on firm groomers up to several inches of fresh. On true hardpack it works but a narrower ski is better simply due to pure width underfoot unless you are only ripping GS turns which given your location, it ain't happening. The Bone is also very stable at speed up to 40mph or more and is plenty quick, not overly damp with good energy and feedback. its likes to be skied from the center

 

The S3 is a fun snappy soft snow oriented snow that is not nearly as stable but is turnier and even a decent carving tool. its not the ski you want for hard pack or skiing at speed.

 

I have the Bone in 180 AND a Nordi Soul Rider in 185 which is basically a more versitle S3. two very different ski's for different uses. Both are the same underfoot (98 & 97)

post #3 of 21

The S3 would be more forgiving than the Bonafide. The S3 does not have metal in it and would be easier for you to stay on it and a good choice from what you described.

post #4 of 21

While I agree that the S3 is easier going, it really depends on what you are skiing and what your goals are.  If I had to choose one mid I still would grab my Bones over the S3 or Soul rider.

post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by wiscoskier View Post

So I am thinking of adding at 98mm ski to my quiver for skiing out west.  I, like everyone, have been very intrigued by the reviews on the Bonafides.  As I do not have the ability to demo I rely heavily on what is said in these forums.  I am a solid upper intermediate skier to beginning advanced skier.  6' 180lbs.  I was reading a thread that compared to Bonafide to three other skis. One reviewer stated that while the ski is a great ski, it is not for someone that can't "Stay on the ski" at all times.  This is where I don't think my abilities fall in line with a ski like the Bonafide.  With this in mind would the Rossignol S3 be a better fit for someone like me?  Does the S3 have the all around capabilities that are said about the Bonafide but more forgiving?

 

Thanks,

Brian

 

 

Ski the 180 and call it good. I'd bet you're going to like the Bonafide much better than the S3 while your home in WI.. might as well buy something you can use both east and west, no?

post #6 of 21

'xactly!  you are not loosing out for use either place. Unless you specifically want a soft, more fun oriented ski you really want a Bone. It's not hard to ski and I don't find it demanding. it's a great ski that really does everything but uber hardpack very well.

post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the replies.  I will keep my eye out for the Bonafides.  Somewhat tough to find around here.
 

post #8 of 21

I have skied them both & like them both, but they are two different skis.

 

S3 = dry soft snow, powder moguls & tight trees :)  NIMBLE

 

Bonafide = firmer snow, heavy crud & wide open spaces :)  STABLE

 

If I were to help you choose I would weigh in on what other ski or skis you currently ride. 

If I were choosing a one-ski for the whole mountain, I would go with the Bonafide.

Either ski will be a good time!

 

JF

post #9 of 21

lots of supporters here who do sell both and other 90-something ski's.

 

I am curious though, I don't want to talk you into a ski you don't want of don't like.  Why do you feel you want the softer easier ski?  there is nothing wrong with this and its just a preference thing. I have both because somedays I just prefer a more fun playful ski. 

post #10 of 21

If you are looking for new ones, Chalet Ski and Patio in Madison has the 2013 Bonafides in stock.  What hill (sorry can't call them mountains here) do you ski here in WI?  For what it's worth, I am skiing the 2013 bonafides this year in 180 length along with Atomic Blackeye in 176.  I am 5'-9" and 180 pounds.  I haven't been on the bones in WI yet but looking forward to it!

post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by 4ster View Post

I have skied them both & like them both, but they are two different skis.

 

S3 = dry soft snow, powder moguls & tight trees :)  NIMBLE

 

Bonafide = firmer snow, heavy crud & wide open spaces :)  STABLE

 

JF

ok- but I don't think the Bone is only good for what you posted, I think its better in that application. It's still turns easily, I like it in the bumps and it has very good float.

post #12 of 21
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ok- but I don't think the Bone is only good for what you posted, I think its better in that application. It's still turns easily, I like it in the bumps and it has very good float.

I won't disagree, I skied them in some steep (Hangman's at Mammoth) large springtime bumps & they were great!  I do think that they are not as forgiving or as quick turning as some others for a lighter or less experienced skier.

 

JF

post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 

Rover,  primarily ski Cascade.  Due to proximity to J-ville and have three kids. Yea, I am not ready to plunk down Chalet prices.  Don't need them that bad.
 

post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 

Finn, I was thinking the softer S3 because I had heard it is an easier ski to ski than the Bones.  I don't want to over state my abilities as often happens.  However, if this is not the case and Bones would be more applicable for using here in Wisco then I think I am back to my original thought on the Bones.  Thanks for all the help.

post #15 of 21
Thread Starter 

Man I hope I win the Petey contest.   Come'on Petey.
 

post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

ok- but I don't think the Bone is only good for what you posted, I think its better in that application. It's still turns easily, I like it in the bumps and it has very good float.

I won't disagree, I skied them in some steep (Hangman's at Mammoth) large springtime bumps & they were great!  I do think that they are not as forgiving or as quick turning as some others for a lighter or less experienced skier.

 

JF

 

Jim, how do the Bones compare to your Chariots, now that you have them dialed in?  You have probably already supplied the comparison before, but please indulge me... when we skied early March, you were mere days away from having Your Guy mount them.

post #17 of 21

I can't disagree with your thoughts here and you make great points  I do agree hence my owning a Soul Rider for exactly those days when I just want something more fun. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by 4ster View Post

I won't disagree, I skied them in some steep (Hangman's at Mammoth) large springtime bumps & they were great!  I do think that they are not as forgiving or as quick turning as some others for a lighter or less experienced skier.

 

JF

 

Wisco- it really comes down to what you want them for. The 3's are easier for sure but it doesn't make them better; just easier to ski, they are not as good on harder snow for sure. I just want you to think what you want them for. Again, I own both types of skis as I think they are so different.  If you want something that is going to be super easy in soft snow and soft groomers and are willing to give up stability and crud busting, then S3, if you are OK with going with a more serious ski, considerably more stable, better in firm, piled, wet spring snow, better on hard pack, its the Bones. unless you are less than a level 7, I don't think you would have an issue.  You know your skiing and what you like.  There's no wrong choice here; really, go with your gut

 

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Originally Posted by wiscoskier View Post

Finn, I was thinking the softer S3 because I had heard it is an easier ski to ski than the Bones.  I don't want to over state my abilities as often happens.  However, if this is not the case and Bones would be more applicable for using here in Wisco then I think I am back to my original thought on the Bones.  Thanks for all the help.

post #18 of 21

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Jim, how do the Bones compare to your Chariots, now that you have them dialed in?  You have probably already supplied the comparison before, but please indulge me... when we skied early March, you were mere days away from having Your Guy mount them.

Hey J,

 

Here is a link to the review I did on them last Spring:

 

http://www.epicski.com/products/2012-ski-logik-ullrs-chariot-ski#reviews

 

As far as comparing them to my runs on the Bonafides, again they are different animals (but not as different as the Bones vs. the S3's).  The first big difference is the amount of camber.  The Chariots have a ton.

 

Second, the Chariots have no early rise but the twin tip does allow them to slarve pretty well with a refined touch.

 

Third they have mucho side cut, 15m turning radius.  Not sure what the Bones have, but it is more than that. 

 

As far as torsional stiffness they may be more similar but I feel like the Chariots are very stiff for what I feel is a lighter ski.  The Bones seem a bit more damp & not quite as lively, nothing wrong with that just gives you different feedback when riding them & damp always feels more stable to me in heavy snow or crud.  All in all, I think the Chariots are a great ski for someone who likes to ski with high edge angles & rewards the pilot who likes to arc turns whenever possible.  Their versatility comes from their width & the Twin Tip design.  It is a hard snow ski that performs admirably off piste, in that regard I would rate it in the same category as the Bonifide, just different ;).

 

I really, really, could luv all 3 skis... Kinda like a blond, a redhead, & a brunette.  Maybe that's why I live in a polygamist state eek.gif !

 

 

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Wisco- it really comes down to what you want them for. The 3's are easier for sure but it doesn't make them better; just easier to ski, they are not as good on harder snow for sure. I just want you to think what you want them for. Again, I own both types of skis as I think they are so different.  If you want something that is going to be super easy in soft snow and soft groomers and are willing to give up stability and crud busting, then S3, if you are OK with going with a more serious ski, considerably more stable, better in firm, piled, wet spring snow, better on hard pack, its the Bones. unless you are less than a level 7, I don't think you would have an issue.  You know your skiing and what you like.  There's no wrong choice here; really, go with your gut

^+1,  I would just add that although both skis are great, there might be something out there that actually fits the bill better for "YOU".  Keep asking questions & continue to research.  I only chimed in on this thread because I have skied on both skis that you asked about.  The great thing in this day & age is that there is something out there that will fit your needs to a tee.

 

JF

post #19 of 21
Thread Starter 

Ok, after doing some further searching I would like to throw in another ski which may have been more appropriate than the S3.  The Line Prophet 98.  How does this ski compare to the other two?
 

post #20 of 21

its more towards the Bone.

post #21 of 21
Thread Starter 

That is what I was hoping you would say.
 

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