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post #31 of 39

I don't wear this kind of stuff but I know parka wearers who swear by Goldwyn and Phenix. 

post #32 of 39
I don't understand the idea of paying these prices for the stuff in the shops.

Check with your local tailor. For these prices, he will be happy to make your shell jacket any way you want, in any color, out of any fabric, to your last specification. And his will fit.

Then when you rip out a cuff, or wear out the velcro, or decide you want a zipper to open in the other direction the answer is "OK, that'll be $50. You can pick it up Thursday."

Of course, I also think if you want me to wear clothes with your company logo 6" x 12" across my chest you need to be giving me money for it because that means you are sponsoring me. So what the hell do I know.
post #33 of 39
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Originally Posted by sofort99 View Post

Check with your local tailor. For these prices, he will be happy to make your shell jacket any way you want, in any color, out of any fabric, to your last specification. 

 

Have you actually done this?  I doubt it.  It's a nice idea but your local tailor cannot purchase just a couple yards of the kind of fabrics used in high-end ski jackets.  Some of them are proprietary and all of them will have minimum order quantities from the manufacturer, several bolts at least.  You won't find this stuff or waterproof zippers at your local fabric store.nonono2.gif

post #34 of 39
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

 

Have you actually done this?  I doubt it.  It's a nice idea but your local tailor cannot purchase just a couple yards of the kind of fabrics used in high-end ski jackets.  Some of them are proprietary and all of them will have minimum order quantities from the manufacturer, several bolts at least.  You won't find this stuff or waterproof zippers at your local fabric store.nonono2.gif

Somehow if you could supply the fabric your local custom suit tailor would also need patterns to follow, unless you just ordered a nylon sport coat or maybe a double breasted suit jacket.

post #35 of 39
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Originally Posted by sofort99 View Post

I don't understand the idea of paying these prices for the stuff in the shops.
Check with your local tailor. For these prices, he will be happy to make your shell jacket any way you want, in any color, out of any fabric, to your last specification. And his will fit.
Then when you rip out a cuff, or wear out the velcro, or decide you want a zipper to open in the other direction the answer is "OK, that'll be $50. You can pick it up Thursday."
Of course, I also think if you want me to wear clothes with your company logo 6" x 12" across my chest you need to be giving me money for it because that means you are sponsoring me. So what the hell do I know.

Obviously....not a lot.

post #36 of 39

Check out this year's Helley Hanson stuff!  The Descente stuff is pretty sweet this year too!

post #37 of 39
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Originally Posted by g-force View Post

I accuse FAT-Ski-skiers of giving up Phase ONE of the turn, no matter how hard they protest that fat skis carve… but that is a whole other debate.
 
  
 

Awesome rant about a jacket.  I can't wait for the follow up on FAT-Ski-skiers.

post #38 of 39

dude, did you forget to take your meds?  just go buy a damn jacket, relax, keep practicing your three turn phase technique or whatever and shut the hell up.

 

 

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Please pardon this rant, what ever denomination you are:
 
My denomination is Alpine Skiing. I believe in physics and the Three Turn Phases…. and I have ' practiced' them often for four decades of full time ski seasons. 
I accuse FAT-Ski-skiers of giving up Phase ONE of the turn, no matter how hard they protest that fat skis carve… but that is a whole other debate.
 
This is about ski apparel. 
Every time I go looking for pants or a jacket I go ape-sh# because I know what I am looking for and I am guided by THE PHYSICS OF ALPINE SKIING. 
 
I dismayed by what the Snowboarder and Park-rat scene has done to what is loosely referred to as ' the ski-fashion industry ' ( or vice versa) and how the search for ski outer wear is becoming increasingly more difficult. 
Increasingly so, because many managers of ski shops are young enough that they may be - shudder - snow-boarders… in charge of ordering 'ski-jackets' ….  OR MARKETING CONSULTANTS WHO GET A WEEK'S SKI-VACATION … OR WHO " USED TO SKI" . 
 
A bit more specifically: the rise of the Yo' dude has produced a prevalence of rectangular, two-dimensional, CLOWN suits that may look good in Gopro vids on Yootoob but are not for a serious adult skier - I Mean Me.   
And they're insulated to boot, which is just what you need when the average ski-day here in Whistler is minus five to plus two… or when you wear a cotton t-shirt that hangs down to your knees.   
 
Alpine skiing is not ski-touring or backcountry or ice-climbing and has been, on some rare examples, acknowledged in some ski-jackets.
 
So I ran around to Every Store in Whistler and Squamish and I looked at dozens of jackets and there might be One that comes close to what I would consider a SKI-jacket…  and not in every store. 
 
I hope that by now you are wondering what the just what the hell I am looking for, so here goes:
 
GORE-TEX - or equivalent; no matter what you may call it. With a light, nice 'hand' outer fabric. ( soft-shell-outer is right out.) 
LINED - so the inner TWO goggle/ cargo and two inner ditty pockets can hang off the liner instead off the outer shell. ( skiing with a pack blows- especially at the usual 60-95k on the GS boards.
Lined with a bit of fleece down the back-strip and smooth slidey 'taffeta' on the shoulders and sleeves.   
Two outer chest and two hand-warmer pockets. ( no flappy flaps, please )  
Detachable hood - so I get a real collar and the option. If the hood is the collar, then: if your hood is down your collar is down.
The hood is TOUQUE SIZED ( wear a helmet on yer knee - cause yer knee will get it first ) 
Pit-zips that work one-handed and have access to the cargo bays.
Two-way front zip ( Arcteryx has crapped out here, as have many others.  I don't wear a harness or a waist-belt-pack, for that matter and don't need to down-zip for a sandwich on the lift. )
 
More points for providing: Upper-arm goggle-cloth pocket, detachable snow-skirt, no fore-arm glove-condom ( tho' a snip with the scissors work here )> Option of glove in or out ... Super-magnets for front-flap at the chin. 
INSULATION IS RIGHT OUT... THIS IS WHISTLER. THIS IS THE COAST. Wear a puffy that disappears when you put it on under the shell.
 
Alpine skiing is not ski-touring or backcountry or ice-climbing and has been on some rare examples, acknowledged in some ski-jackets.
 
Three way systems - a' la Columbia-  are bogus too, because the fleece/puffy layer is worn to and from the hill or in the lodge/bar…  and why have to un-zip it from the jacket in order to do so ?    Not to mention the stiffer front that Three Zippers present.  ( I cut mine out of the Peak-t-Creek model that I might have to use again and it has 200 days ).    
Yet Columbia have some of the closest examples - especially around 300 dollar range. ( glacier to glade ) ( the Caribeener II is close until you take the layer out and then you are left with the sticky 2nd-ply of the outer shell ).
The mighty MEC offers back-country as they are mostly Pine-coners … they get a copy of this too.
 
Boutique-brands like Descent and Spyder and Kjus and Peak Performance are not only stratospheric in pricing but usually are too Euro and hence insulated, or soft shell. Arcteryx i$ right up there too.
 
$700 gets another great GS or Race-carver ski-deal. Jackets do not cost as much as skis do they ?  
I do not want to blow that much on a ski-jacket and give up features that are important… I would blow as much if I could fill my list. 
For those kind of big bucks I want a choice of half a dozen manufacturers and ten REAL SKI JACKETS. 
In adult colours, too, so hold back the peacock-blues and puke-greens.white is right out, too. 
The nice old-guy in Sno-ciety here in Whistler was kind enough to point me to Westcomb.com.  ( Arcteryx's old plant and still good - But still no hand-pockets...or etc - but all he had was the picture of the guy thrutching his way up the ice-climb he probably ski-toured to ).
 
And if you think I am making this too long rant up… three years ago I found the Best Ski-jacket Ever by… Rossignol. 
I mean Everything. The only problem after a 100+ day season in this $600 jacket, was that the right sleeve had worn through at the wrist from; would you believe - rubbing on the velcro on the front-zip-flap. ( I know it was this because there was no wear on the left sleeve. Rossignol crapped out on the warranty "normal wear " )  So the outer fabric was a fake.
 
I have spent enough time on this 'spell' that I will send it off to other makers of ski-jackets and now retailers that I have seen, both on-line and in-store, in the hope that I can influence at least one model and I won't have to waste so much time and protest next year.    
 
Send me e-mails with models that fit these criteria - I tell staff its 100 bucks off for each important feature you can't match.
 
ps Update: Went to Sportchk and CoastMtn and looked at dozens again - insulated or ice-climbing.
Even the venerable Marmot on display was insulated. Jeeez- these guys used to make bad-ass HARD-shells for the W/B ski-patrol...
 
Any body got any clues... ?  
post #39 of 39
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

Have you actually done this?  I doubt it.  It's a nice idea but your local tailor cannot purchase just a couple yards of the kind of fabrics used in high-end ski jackets.  Some of them are proprietary and all of them will have minimum order quantities from the manufacturer, several bolts at least.  You won't find this stuff or waterproof zippers at your local fabric store.nonono2.gif

I haven't, but I'm probably going to now.

I called a couple of local tailors to ask about it today, and they both said it's not a problem... making clothes is what they do for a living. One said he'd do it for $250 if I supplied the cloth, and you can find durex and gortex and etc, for less that $15 a yard.

Then I did a quick search looking for cloth, and stumbled over here:

http://outaware.com/Winter%20Garments.htm

And found:
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The Gallatin Jacket is constructed of Dry-X , Ultrex, or Gore-Tex waterproof/ breathable fabric with a polyester mesh lining.
FEATURES: Fleece lined storm flap inside and the # 8 YKK main zipper, snapped outer rain flap, Seam Grip sealed seams, 2 front urtex zipper pockets, 2 inside breast pockets, MAGNUM 1 forearm patch with left arm cash pocket, fleece lined collar, mesh lined hood, urtex zipper arm ventilation, inside powder skirt, quick draw waist shock cord.
$360.00

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Which can be custom made, they will do repair work for a nominal fee, will add features you ask for, etc.

Seems to be pretty close to what the OP was asking for, and at least it blows away the idea that you are stuck with the overpriced stuff from the big manufacturers. And it took all of 10 minutes of surfing to find.
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