or Connect
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › General Skiing Discussion › Boots in Car East vs West ??
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Boots in Car East vs West ?? - Page 2

post #31 of 68

All the above. Some places I boot up in the lodge, Alpine Meadows, Heavenly & Squaw and A-Basin. Some in the lot, Squaw and Northstar. Depends where the lift is and what I need to get inside. I will say a heated bootbag is the difference. When I was in the east I tended to boot up in the lodge like MRG, Okemo and Stowe. 

post #32 of 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post


I can tell the real skiers by the fact that they are in line ready to go. Not prancing around the lodge.


That's because real skiers already boot up in the lodge, had their hot cocoa and went out to get in line. All this while "the other skiers" are still parking their cars... yahoo.gif

post #33 of 68

In the lodge? On a powder day I not only boot up in the house but I put my skis on inside as well. Then skate across the parking lot for the first chair GNAR points.

 

On a normal day (in CA where it is almost never below 0 - 0c that is!) I will walk across the parking lot towing the wagon laden with skis and ski boots wearing my sandals. Sandals might not be perfect for the walk to the slopes but they sure are nice at the end of the day!

 

When I was 16 driving home from my first ever ski trip, the cop who stopped me (for Driving While Young - profiling even back then) didn't give me a ticket for driving in my ski boots. Heel toe to get the old pickup going was a challenge in ski boots but I was young and a very good driver...

 

Eric

post #34 of 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by pat View Post

A fellow bear says putting on boots in the lodge is a gaper move out west.

 

Woah... talk about a misquote.  That is NOT what I said.  You said you look like a gaper walking through the parking lot in ski boots, and I said that's simply not true out west.  And I stand by that.

post #35 of 68
Quote:

Different situations require different tactics.

+1. It feels so luxurious to be able to wear shoes on the bus ride from Sun Valley Lodge to Baldy base, where the walkways are shoveled and there are free cubbies right on the main floor that always have plenty of room.

 

But here in the Cascades, where it's usually snowing and often I have to walk through substantial snow to get to the base (ie that hill up from the west parking lot at Stevens)? Boot up in the lot, rather than risk cold wet feet and snow inside my boots (I don't have a boot bag); plus then you have to pay for a locker or go out of your way to store your bag.

post #36 of 68
Thread Starter 

To be fair to J that is true.  My apologies. Not flaming anyone.  I was just surprised as I have been a "Lodge Booter" since I can remember icon14.gif

post #37 of 68

In the parking lot, I hate carrying stuff.  Especially at N*, saves me a trip across the village.

post #38 of 68

My uninformed guess is that it's more common in the east because you guys have to deal with real ice in the parking lots?

post #39 of 68

I wear Seirus Cat Tracks on my boots from parking lot to slope to protect my boot soles.

 

Only thing I hate is cold shoes just before go home. Convenience or cold that is the decision.

post #40 of 68

Only under duress! I like to change in the lodge as I change socks, put in my contacts, and put my ski stuff on. If this makes me a gaper, who cares-I'm old and set in my ways.......I have a locker at my home mountain, so I guess I'm spoiled.

post #41 of 68

Pffft!   You're all gapers!!  tongue.gif I boot up at home and drive to the resort already wearing them. .. edit eric beat me to that hahaha

 

 

SRSLY though..  I avoid the lodge at all costs.  I only go in there to use the toilet and never leave any gear there. Bag lunch and other crap stays in the car.   If I had my own locker there like when I worked at the joint leaving gear and booting up there would be a no brainer.  Otherwise it's a waste of 10-20 minutes to lug your bags there, secure a locker if your lucky or nonono2.gifleave your crap in everyone else's way if you're not... all to forget something somewhere and waste time stopping by the lodge on the way to and from skiing.  The lodges where I ski can be an absolute MADHOUSE!  Everything I need to wear is worn from the lot to the lift with no stops except to pee.

 

post #42 of 68

"Real" skiers just pee in their pants so as not to waste time.

post #43 of 68

This is a great thread. Thanks. I've thought about this a bunch of times before, but figured I was the only one with an idle enough mind to be interested. How wrong I was.

 

There is definitely a cultural divide here. I grew up skiing in the east. A friend of a friend memorably and accurately describes an eastern base lodge as "a cross between a locker room and a junior high school cafeteria." The typical routine in the east is, you arrive in the parking lot and it's bitterly cold. You are facing a significant walk over ice and frozen mud to the lodge. It's WAY too cold to sit there with your car door open and start changing socks and stuff. You've also been in a warm car, and have carefully NOT overdressed, so that your body doesn't shut down its heating mechanisms. This means you have about three more layers of clothes to put on, including lots of little pieces that can get dropped down between the seats or into the snow, like glove liners, toe warmers, and what have you. Trying to deal with all this, plus the contortionism required to put on a second pair of long johns and a pair of gaitered ski pants, all with bare feet on the door sill of a car, is crazy. Plus it's just uncivilized. biggrin.gif  Only at a really big area, or if you're arriving really late, will you need (or be able) to take a shuttle. There is only one lift base and only one lodge. Local custom is such that you can and should make the lodge your "base camp" for the day. You find a corner on the floor or a couple of hooks or a cubby or whatever - NOT a locker, God forbid - and dump your stuff there. No self-respecting Yankee would ever dream of paying good money to stash stuff in a locker when there are always perfectly good open surfaces to be found SOMEWHERE (albeit more easily at 8:00 than at 10:00). Besides, they don't make lockers big enough for the seven layers of insulation you're going to have to shed by 1:00, when the thermometer has risen from -5 to +35 F. Then you sit in warmth and comfort while you carefully orchestrate dry socks, boots, long johns, balaclava, helmet, gloves, goggles, etc.All good.

 

For thirty-five years, until I skied out west for the first time, about ten years ago, I assumed everybody in the country did it like this. Not! Winter Park on a Saturday. Yikes. First nasty surprise was that you had to PAY (through the nose) to PARK (or else park in a lot that in New England would be in another county). Then we get into the lodge and encounter no familiar clutter but a barrage of very unwelcoming signs admonishing us that we must leave our stuff only in a locker (NOT free-floating in the lodge), or it will be TAKEN. Holy shazang, what kind of capitalism-run-amok place did we come to? So we pony up for the lockers, which cost a buck each time you open them. Sheesh. By this time we'd already spent half of what we usually pay for a lift ticket, and we hadn't even gotten to the window yet.

 

My next trip was to Alta, which was a much better experience. On this occasion we were fortunate (and spendy) enough to be staying at the base, so the whole parking / lodge / stuff topic was a non-issue. However, I did notice that at Alta they barely even HAD anything that would pass for a base lodge in the east. I.e., no big common room(s) with lots of tables, open to the public to do whatever they want with. So I realized that if I had driven to Alta, I wouldn't have had much of an option about dumping my shoes and gear in the lodge, no matter what my druthers.

 

More recently I've been to Vail a few times, and on those occasions we've always parked miles away at the nordic center and taken a crowded bus to the lifts, on which a big bag of ski boots and other gear would definitely be a handicap. Similar deal at Copper. Moreover, Vail is so big and spread out that the idea of having a "base camp" to which you'd return several times a day to change clothes or retrieve your lunch or whatever just didn't apply at all. And with the exception of picking the coldest week in 30 years at the end of January, 2011, my trips out west have shown me that the whole clothing struggle is just so much reduced out there. It's simply not as cold, and the dry air makes it much easier to regulate body temperature. So in that scenario it's go native: boots on in the parking lot and a backpack for my lunch.

 

So THAT's how I began to learn why more people out west put their boots on in the parking lot. smile.gif

post #44 of 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toecutter View Post

"Real" skiers just pee in their pants so as not to waste time.

Depends. 

post #45 of 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Depends. 

 

Do you put them on at home, in the car, or in the lodge?

post #46 of 68

Or do you wear them all the time? eek.gif

 

This  thread is starting to sound like Dr Suess.  Did he ski too? popcorn.gif

post #47 of 68

Interesting discussion on a subject I've never even considered as an issue and for me makes no difference one way or another.   The notion that some people even consider it an issue for labeling others as gapers is amusing.  Each person's situation is different and there are many different types of ski areas and resorts all with their peculiarities.  I've skied in Tahoe for decades and infrequently in the Rockies.   At most of our resorts the parking lot to lift distances are trivial.   I usually don't have any reason to bother going into lodges from my car when I arrive because I come to ski, not to sit down for a breakfast because shoving a couple of crumb donuts or a pop tart  into my mouth and washing it down with a quarter cup of milk is about all I eat m-f each week then anyway.  And maybe because of that don't have the usual need to find a restroom.     I almost always put all my gear on at my vehicle and I have a lot of gear for every circumstance and at least 2 pairs of skis available.    So my vehicle is the headquarters of my gear and my skiing days.  I infrequently eat in ski lodges because I'm cheap, usually don't need to eat a big meat sit down meal for lunch, so am content to eat light out of my car.  If I want a hot meal I have my Whisperlite stove to heat up something out of a can like soup. Many other hard core skiers here of course tailgate barbecuing at lunch too that is a rather West Coast tradition.   So lodge?   Just don't go there much during seasons for any reasons.  

post #48 of 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by pat View Post

.....

 

A fellow bear says putting on boots in the lodge is a gaper move out west.

 

......

The following will reveal how long it has been since I skied out West. The first time I skied Aspen we walked to the old number one single chair lift carrying our boots and rucksacks just as we were accustomed to doing in the East only to discover............there was no base lodge! Fortunately the lift attendant was amused and a good guy and he let us stow our gear in his lift shack. The other place that comes to mind that lacked a base lodge facility was Alta......no base facility. I have no idea of the current state of things out there but I would assume most now have base facilities. I'll bet Alta doesn't though.

post #49 of 68

i walk to lodge with my shoes on and then put my ski boots on inside.  I just leave my sneakers/shoes/whatever i'm wearing in an open cubby.  if someone needs my $hitty old new balances that badly, they can have them!

post #50 of 68

I'm gonna start a thread about whether skiers here prefer peeing in the lodge or in the woods.

post #51 of 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by prickly View Post

I'm gonna start a thread about whether skiers here prefer peeing in the lodge or in the woods.

 

Personally, I prefer peeing in a toilet or urinal. I wouldn't mind peeing in the lodge, but I think I'd struggle to perform in front of a crowd.

post #52 of 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by oisin View Post

The following will reveal how long it has been since I skied out West. The first time I skied Aspen we walked to the old number one single chair lift carrying our boots and rucksacks just as we were accustomed to doing in the East only to discover............there was no base lodge! Fortunately the lift attendant was amused and a good guy and he let us stow our gear in his lift shack. The other place that comes to mind that lacked a base lodge facility was Alta......no base facility. I have no idea of the current state of things out there but I would assume most now have base facilities. I'll bet Alta doesn't though.

There are lockers in the Goldminer's Daughter building and at the Albion base at Alta.  The midweek seniors who are over 70 tend to boot up inside.

 

They even added safety bars to the lifts for last season, mostly to help keep little kids from sliding off.  But not foot rests.

post #53 of 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by pat View Post

 

A fellow bear says putting on boots in the lodge is a gaper move out west.

 

 

Anything one individual does to slow the group down is a gaper move.  So unless you head straight to the lodge while your group puts their boots on in the lot so you can meet at the lift at the same time, then everyone is standing around waiting for you to finish your business which is quite lame.  On the other hand, calling out some random schmoe for putting boots on in the lodge is a gaper move IMO.

post #54 of 68

Two pages of very very very important stuff here...   Hopefully this will put and end to it:

 

 

TODAY
 

Showers Chance for Measurable Precipitation 80%

Showers
 

High: 44 °F

TONIGHT
 

Rain/Snow Chance for Measurable Precipitation 90%

Rain/Snow
 

Low: 26 °F

SATURDAY
 

Snow Chance for Measurable Precipitation 90%

Snow
 

High: 26 °F

SATURDAY
NIGHT

Snow Chance for Measurable Precipitation 90%

Snow
 

Low: 24 °F

SUNDAY
 

Snow Chance for Measurable Precipitation 90%

Snow
 

High: 28 °F

SUNDAY
NIGHT

Snow Likely Chance for Measurable Precipitation 60%

Snow
Likely

Low: 23 °F

MONDAY
 

Snow Likely Chance for Measurable Precipitation 60%

Snow
Likely

High: 30 °F

MONDAY
NIGHT

Snow Likely

Snow
Likely

Low: 22 °F

TUESDAY
 

Snow Likely

Snow
Likely

High: 32 °F

post #55 of 68

 

Two pages of very very very important stuff here...  

 

^^^^^^

 

And yet we did not discuss to buckle the boots or not to buckle the boots if you do put the boots on in the parking lot, and how tight to buckle the boots if you do buckle the boots when you put the boots on in the parking lot!!!

 

Let it snow!

 

cfr

post #56 of 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toecutter View Post

"Real" skiers just pee in their pants so as not to waste time.

 

Phil covered that too!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

All the above. Some places I boot up in the lodge, Alpine Meadows, Heavenly & Squaw and A-Basin. Some in the lot, Squaw and Northstar. Depends where the lift is and what I need to get inside. I will say a heated bootbag is the difference. When I was in the east I tended to boot up in the lodge like MRG, Okemo and Stowe. 

post #57 of 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by qcanoe View Post

 

 

For thirty-five years, until I skied out west for the first time, about ten years ago, I assumed everybody in the country did it like this. Not! Winter Park on a Saturday. Yikes. First nasty surprise was that you had to PAY (through the nose) to PARK (or else park in a lot that in New England would be in another county). Then we get into the lodge and encounter no familiar clutter but a barrage of very unwelcoming signs admonishing us that we must leave our stuff only in a locker (NOT free-floating in the lodge), or it will be TAKEN. Holy shazang, what kind of capitalism-run-amok place did we come to? So we pony up for the lockers, which cost a buck each time you open them. Sheesh. By this time we'd already spent half of what we usually pay for a lift ticket, and we hadn't even gotten to the window yet.

 

 

More recently I've been to Vail a few times, and on those occasions we've always parked miles away at the nordic center and taken a crowded bus to the lifts, on which a big bag of ski boots and other gear would definitely be a handicap. Similar deal at Copper. Moreover, Vail is so big and spread out that the idea of having a "base camp" to which you'd return several times a day to change clothes or retrieve your lunch or whatever just didn't apply at all. And with the exception of picking the coldest week in 30 years at the end of January, 2011, my trips out west have shown me that the whole clothing struggle is just so much reduced out there. It's simply not as cold, and the dry air makes it much easier to regulate body temperature. So in that scenario it's go native: boots on in the parking lot and a backpack for my lunch.

 

So THAT's how I began to learn why more people out west put their boots on in the parking lot. smile.gif

So, maybe you should come to Whitefish.  I don't ski on Saturday, so maybe you could run into this parking issue, but generally I arrive 9-ish, park in row A or B, walk about 1.5 city blocks at most to the lodge.  There are places you can park which are further away that are popular with people who are using their cars to put on their boots and then they jump on the hill, but aside from Christmas week, there's not much reason to worry about the shuttle.  I've ridden it maybe 3 times in nine seasons?  And all the first season when I didn't understand the hill as well.  

 

Not as cold?  Maybe not as WET, but we get plenty of cold.  I love those single digits myself.  

post #58 of 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by CerebralVortex View Post

 

Personally, I prefer peeing in a toilet or urinal. I wouldn't mind peeing in the lodge, but I think I'd struggle to perform in front of a crowd.

True joy is peeing in through at MRG, with a crowd

post #59 of 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by cfr View Post

 

Two pages of very very very important stuff here...  

 

^^^^^^

 

And yet we did not discuss to buckle the boots or not to buckle the boots if you do put the boots on in the parking lot, and how tight to buckle the boots if you do buckle the boots when you put the boots on in the parking lot!!!

 

Let it snow!

 

cfr


buckle to the first notch that creates resistance, lightly strap the powerstrap. Don't be that bumbling gaper with every buckle undone,strap dragging behind, and clunking around.

post #60 of 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post


buckle to the first notch that creates resistance, lightly strap the powerstrap. Don't be that bumbling gaper with every buckle undone,strap dragging behind, and clunking around.


I eek.gif cut my power straps offwink.gif  I prefer the boot tops a little on the loose side while skiing enabling more ankle flex and forward attacking stance.  But it was the straps dangling or having to be cinched while walking around that most persuaded me to cut them off.  I haven't regretted it one bit.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: General Skiing Discussion
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › General Skiing Discussion › Boots in Car East vs West ??