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post #331 of 561
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Originally Posted by ILOJ View Post

....so, is everywhere in the PNW overly crowded ? baker with 6000 in one day ?

I've only skied Stevens Pass so far this year and every day seems super crowded.


Saturday is the only day I've heard of this year that even had much in the way of lines.  I've skied several weekends and they've all had little to no lines and extra space in the parking lot.  Saturday set an all-time record but my impression overall is that there are less people than in the past on average, not more.

 

They were there Saturday because it was a powder day and it's been a thin Jan/Feb until now.  Stevens is always crowded on the weekends, at least that's what I hear.

post #332 of 561
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Originally Posted by Posaune View Post

Saturday is the only day I've heard of this year that even had much in the way of lines.  I've skied several weekends and they've all had little to no lines and extra space in the parking lot.  Saturday set an all-time record but my impression overall is that there are less people than in the past on average, not more.

 

They were there Saturday because it was a powder day and it's been a thin Jan/Feb until now.  Stevens is always crowded on the weekends, at least that's what I hear.

 

Stevens is usually pretty crowded on the weekends, but if you move around to certain lifts at certain times of the day, you can usually manage it relatively well.  Honestly I would say that *most* weekends I don't spend that much time waiting in lift lines, but I can only manage this by staying away from where the crowds are.  If Skyline is busy, I don't get to ski 7th right now, etc.  The only lift that you have to stay away from at all costs, at any time of the day on a typical weekend, is Hogsback.

 

This Saturday, however, was nuts.  But as you said, it was a Saturday powder day after a long drier than average stretch.  From what I heard, the parking situation was a disaster for anyone who didn't get up there early enough.  That has been a more common theme this year than last year and the year before (at least from what I hear on the chairlift).  I really hope however, that Stevens doesn't attempt to address the parking situation before they make good on some of their expansion plans.  The ski area really can't take many more people on the slopes.

 

I would love to see some more recent numbers from Stevens.  The only ones I've seen are from their MDP, which was put together 5 or 6 years ago, so they could be relatively out of date and not reflective of their current numbers.  Or not, I have no idea.

 

EDIT: Oh, and since this is a conditions thread, Saturday skied really nicely.  Got hammered pretty hard and fast because of a lot of people being up there, but the early runs were great.  There was some wind effected snow in some exposed areas, but most of the snow was pretty good quality.  Overall, one of the better days of the year for me.


Edited by jaobrien6 - 2/25/13 at 5:12pm
post #333 of 561
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From what I heard, the parking situation was a disaster for anyone who didn't get up there early enough. 

We drove by the Nordic Center at 12:30 pm on Saturday, and there must have been a line of about 100 people waiting for the shuttle up to the main area. I can't imagine getting to Stevens so late on the first powder day in ???

post #334 of 561
Looks like a good week/weekend coming up at baker. Or people think there's risk it'll be too warm?
post #335 of 561
Thread Starter 
Yep, the PNW area within 2 hrs of a metro area get pretty busy on eeekends. First big storm in several weeks, always brings out the crowds. Stevens parking lots were pretty much full on Sunday.

March is usually much less crowded.
post #336 of 561
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Originally Posted by Christy319 View Post

We drove by the Nordic Center at 12:30 pm on Saturday, and there must have been a line of about 100 people waiting for the shuttle up to the main area. I can't imagine getting to Stevens so late on the first powder day in ???

 

Yeah, I saw comments on facebook from people that waited there for a shuttle for 90 minutes (take that with a grain of salt, it was on facebook) and finally gave up and got in their car and left.  I personally left home a good 30 minutes earlier than usual, which was good because all that and then some got eaten up by an accident in Baring.  Took me about 45 minutes longer than usual to get there, but fortunately I was still there before 9 so parking was not a problem.

post #337 of 561
Thread Starter 
I got a later-than-usual start on Sunday. The upper lots were full so they were drinking all traffic to the lower lots. Fortunately I was directed to park parallel to the snow bank one car length from the path to walk up to Tye Creek lodge. Easiest parking ever for me at Stevens, was able ski right next to my car at the end of the day. Clicked out of skis and they directly into the Yakima box.
post #338 of 561
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Originally Posted by coatrack View Post

Looks like a good week/weekend coming up at baker. Or people think there's risk it'll be too warm?

 

Doesn't look good for Baker. Whistler should be good, current forecast has freezing levels up to 1500M which means the alpine will still be good to go (if they get it open). I'm planing on Fri-Sat-Sun if it's good.

 

My friend sent me a pic of her truck from Baker yesterday, entire box was filled with snow after a day of skiing. So jealous.

post #339 of 561
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Originally Posted by gramboh View Post

 

Doesn't look good for Baker. Whistler should be good, current forecast has freezing levels up to 1500M which means the alpine will still be good to go (if they get it open). I'm planing on Fri-Sat-Sun if it's good.

 

My friend sent me a pic of her truck from Baker yesterday, entire box was filled with snow after a day of skiing. So jealous.

I took a day off tomorrow on short notice to hit Baker, because I was supposed to go there this weekend but the forecast looks awful.

 

Looking forward to skiing fresh with weekday crowds tomorrow. 

post #340 of 561

Whistler on Monday was superb!  some lines and a long wait for the Harmony Bowl lift when they said it was opened, we waited about an hour.  worth the wait though, fresh lines down Harmony and Symphony, conditions were very good, lots of fresh powder.
 

post #341 of 561

Baker was excellent today as well.  Everything was soft with a couple inches of new over yesterday's big dump.  No lines to speak of except for the powder hounds waiting for first chair.  One of my top 2 days this season.

post #342 of 561
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Originally Posted by Posaune View Post

Baker was excellent today as well.  Everything was soft with a couple inches of new over yesterday's big dump.  No lines to speak of except for the powder hounds waiting for first chair.  One of my top 2 days this season.
Agreed, the only days that I have had that were comparable to today were in December right before the Baker highway was closed. Visibility was fantastic, lines were nonexistent besides at Chair 7 at the start of the day, and there was good snow everywhere.
post #343 of 561
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Originally Posted by Posaune View Post

Baker was excellent today as well.  Everything was soft with a couple inches of new over yesterday's big dump.  No lines to speak of except for the powder hounds waiting for first chair.  One of my top 2 days this season.

Baker was outstanding today. I've never skied a day like today. Powder runs and no lines. We witnessed a small slide up above the top of chair 8 later in the afternoon, maybe 2:15 or 2:30? Didn't seem that the person who triggered it was caught in it though.

 

Here is a picture from top of Chair 5 mid day:

 

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And here is one from the White Salmon lodge first thing this morning:

 

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post #344 of 561
I'm based in Sandpoint starting tonight until March 6th. I will do a few days at Schweitzer and some days at other hills within 2 hours depending on the snow. Snow levels are looking like a close call this weekend. What do things typically ski like at these interior PNW places when the snow level is ~5000 feet?

Where will you guys be? PM me and let's ski.
post #345 of 561
Thread Starter 
With 6" overnight, Stevens has 402" for the season. Though rain is expected today, the evening should clear and Saturday looks better, Sunday better yet.
post #346 of 561
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Originally Posted by DesiredUsername View Post

With 6" overnight, Stevens has 402" for the season. Though rain is expected today, the evening should clear and Saturday looks better, Sunday better yet.

Yesterday was a surprise powder day at Stevens. Despite some avy condition closures, it skied stunningly well. Before they closed the whole place at one anyway.

But I call BS on that six inches overnight. Lots of rain overnight and temps over 35 both top and bottom when I checked about six this morning.

The charitable view is that someone in marketing pressed the wrong button this morning. Or maybe Stevens is becoming more comfortable with making stuff up? Nothing in the telemetry reports or cams backs up six inches.

Plus what gives with them destroying Big Chief Bowl again?
post #347 of 561
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post




Plus what gives with them destroying Big Chief Bowl again?

Can you elaborate please?

post #348 of 561

The lower part of Big Chief Bowl has been cut with a cat track traverse that effectively ends a number of clean exit lines. Anyone who liked to ski a line near the trees or out the center now faces that cat track with a significant drop off on the uphill side at the cut. Given the drop off combined with typical visibility out in the open there, it not only wrecks a bunch of good skiing, but makes for a dangerous transition (despite lollipops) IMO. 

 

They did this a month or so ago. I was told by a couple of staff folks that this was a one-off for some big deal race (random discussions with 2-3 staff & not an official statement, and I did not see it play out as I avoid days with big crowds, like big race days, if I can...). But anyway, it was a clean nasty cut across the entire base of the bowl again yesterday.

 

On several occasions I was with people who have been skiing Stevens for decades (like four or five ) and they were speechless when they saw that cut when it was first put in. I believe Posaune was one of them IIRC. 

 

oh, and it would seem the six inches of powder overnight banner is no longer up... although that 6 in 24 is credible as it was indeed falling at about an inch an hour yesterday morning...and for an extra bit of marketing hiccup humor - for a while this morning the "we are closing at 1:00" banner from yesterday was still up- leading to some confusion before the "powder yay" banner seemingly created more fun...


Edited by spindrift - 3/1/13 at 10:10am
post #349 of 561
...yup...6 inches fresh powder....current conditions - raining.mad.gif
post #350 of 561

lots of avalanche warnings now abounding, given the amt of rain and heavy snow.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/02/28/bc-backcountry-avalanche-danger.html

cypress closed yesterday at 4pm...closed today, as is seymour

crap weather up there:

http://www.snow-forecast.com/resorts/Cypress-Mountain/6day/mid

 

but whistler is getting hammered (upper areas, that is) otherwise no thanks

http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/the-mountain/snow-and-weather/index.aspx?t=alpine-forecast1#tabsa

post #351 of 561
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

On several occasions I was with people who have been skiing Stevens for decades (like four or five ) and they were speechless when they saw that cut when it was first put in. I believe Posaune was one of them IIRC. 

I was.  I wrote an email to the ski area about trashing the bowl and they sent back a response that ended with a variation on "it'll fill in."  But it won't if they keep cutting that stupid cat track.

post #352 of 561

Just in case anyone had thrown in the towel for this weekend based on previous forecasts...it's changed.

http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=WAZ519&warncounty=WAC033&firewxzone=WAZ659&local_place1=&product1=Winter+Weather+Advisory

 

 

Quote:

COOL AND MOIST NORTHWESTERLY FLOW BEHIND A COLD FRONT AND UPPER
LEVEL TROUGH WILL GIVE SNOW TO THE WEST SLOPES OF THE CASCADES
AND PASSES TONIGHT. SNOWFALL AMOUNTS OF 5 TO 10 INCHES CAN BE
EXPECTED ABOVE 2000 FEET TONIGHT. HEAVIEST AMOUNTS WILL BE
ASSOCIATED WITH A PUGET SOUND CONVERGENCE ZONE FROM STEVENS PASS
TO SNOQUALMIE PASS.

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 AM PST
SUNDAY...

* SOME AFFECTED LOCATIONS...MOUNT BAKER...STEVENS
  PASS...SNOQUALMIE PASS...PARADISE RANGER STATION.

* TIMING...LATE THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH TONIGHT.

* ACCUMULATIONS...5 TO 10 INCHES.

* SNOW LEVEL...3000 FEET LATE THIS AFTERNOON FALLING TO 1500 FEET
  LATE THIS EVENING.

 

post #353 of 561

someone said whistler was a total gongshow yesterday (sunday) with HUGE lineups....glad i slept in and didn't make it, if true.

post #354 of 561

There wasn't anybody at Crystal and if you only ski blues and greens you were having a great day.  The solid frozen gunk off the groomers was gnarly.   We either need more snow or some consistent spring like temps to soften it up some.

post #355 of 561

agree...it's been so freeze/thaw lately with the temps...very inconsistent

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Originally Posted by RodPNW View Post

There wasn't anybody at Crystal and if you only ski blues and greens you were having a great day.  The solid frozen gunk off the groomers was gnarly.   We either need more snow or some consistent spring like temps to soften it up some.

post #356 of 561
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Originally Posted by canali View Post

someone said whistler was a total gongshow yesterday (sunday) with HUGE lineups....glad i slept in and didn't make it, if true.

 

It was a memorable weekend of skiing that's for sure.

 

Friday - Heavy wet snowfall at 1800m, rain at 1400M (Emerald base, didn't bother venturing down to Red). Top few hundred feet were good then it got really heavy, the right terrain was still fun but I was completely soaked after being out for 4 hours.

 

Saturday - Repeat of Friday except slightly cooler and slightly higher freezing level. By about 2:30pm it started cooling off and clearing, with the last 5cm of snow falling dry, so the end of the day had great skiing, soft and not as wet.

 

Sunday - Bluebird powder day, MASSIVE liness on Whistler, longest I have ever seen Peak and Harmony, just ridiculous. Even Creekside was lined up to near the back of the corrals by shortly after 8am. Still managed 5 great runs on Harmony in 3 hours.

 

Monday - Bluebird again, went touring off Blackcomb and it was a perfect day of skiing, surprisingly big line at Glacier and the t-bars openings, I'd say at least 30% of the line was heading out to tour as well, insanely busy in the slackcountry.

post #357 of 561

went up to cypress tonight

 

...despite it only being 0C it was snowing and not raining (and not a mix of rain and snow)

...and you'd expect at those borderline temps the snow would be heavy and wet...but nope...was not dry of course

but not the usual sticky snowball making sierra cement you'd think...weird....(contrast that to last night when a work colleague

went up and packed it in after 1 run ...all ice...this freeze/thaw this time

of yr is nuts)....anyway tonight it was dead and despite it being hardpacked with some scoured sections, the 2-3" of snow we got (and it kept snowing all night)

made for an enjoyable night...no winds, no fog, no drizzle...i'd rate it a 7/10 on the pleasure factor....everyone who was there

was having alot of fun.icon14.gif...nice when you go up with low expectations and are pleasantly surprised (vs the other way)

post #358 of 561
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Originally Posted by RodPNW View Post

There wasn't anybody at Crystal and if you only ski blues and greens you were having a great day.  The solid frozen gunk off the groomers was gnarly.   We either need more snow or some consistent spring like temps to soften it up some.


Yes it was.

post #359 of 561
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Originally Posted by canali View Post

went up to cypress tonight

 

...despite it only being 0C it was snowing and not raining (and not a mix of rain and snow)

...and you'd expect at those borderline temps the snow would be heavy and wet...but nope...was not dry of course

but not the usual sticky snowball making sierra cement you'd think...weird....(contrast that to last night when a work colleague

went up and packed it in after 1 run ...all ice...this freeze/thaw this time

of yr is nuts)....anyway tonight it was dead and despite it being hardpacked with some scoured sections, the 2-3" of snow we got (and it kept snowing all night)

made for an enjoyable night...no winds, no fog, no drizzle...i'd rate it a 7/10 on the pleasure factor....everyone who was there

was having alot of fun.icon14.gif...nice when you go up with low expectations and are pleasantly surprised (vs the other way)

 

That's my problem with Cypress, it's such a gamble as to the actual surface conditions depending on freezing level, wind, temperature, humidity etc. Been waiting for a cooler night with new snow to head back up, it sure can be a fun thing to do after work :). Sounds like you hit it right, and going in with low expectations is always the way.

post #360 of 561

i hear you...and it applies to all 3 local hills, I'm sure, being so close to the ocean and having moderate temps below in our 'rain forest' zone.

 

i've learned enough to follow a few threads on relevant temps and forecasts for this place...often I will call up and speak to the staff too.

when cypress' website notes the conditions as being  'limited' then for the most part I'll pass...i'm not into brail skiing

....'variable' is doable,  but I no longer have patience for 'limited' conditions and dealing with shitty visibility.

 

i'm heading up again tonight and the next few nights...so fingers crossed...I hope the dusting of new snow, despite

only being a few cm each night forecast, makes the hardpack more enjoyable (as it was last night).

 

***heads up everyone***

i'm actually trying to get into better ski shape for the upcoming Dave Murray camp in April

(for those who didn' visit the 'ski instruction forum' where I originally posted this info, 

WB is offering 50% off on the April 8th 3-day Dave Murray camp to celebrate its 30 yrs)

http://www.whistlerblackcomb.com/lessons-and-rentals/lessons/adult-camps/legendary-dave-murray-ski-camps.aspx

...so it's only $254 net (taxes included)...also worirred about my neuroma acting up, too. (can only do 2 hrs at a time right now)

luckily one can cancel out 48hrs before the camp starts for a full refund. 

 

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Originally Posted by gramboh View Post

 

That's my problem with Cypress, it's such a gamble as to the actual surface conditions depending on freezing level, wind, temperature, humidity etc. Been waiting for a cooler night with new snow to head back up, it sure can be a fun thing to do after work :). Sounds like you hit it right, and going in with low expectations is always the way.


Edited by canali - 3/6/13 at 4:19pm
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