Originally Posted by twochordcool
I'm confused LewyM...
OK. I'll try to to clarify. Not sure why I've taken this on. But you seem like a genuinely enthusiastic guy who is a maybe a bit green and could use some direction. And for whatever reason, I've ridden a lot of the skis that you find interesting.
First I'll tell you how envious I am that you get to go to Crystal Mountain! I've been reading up a lot on ski mountains and keeping track of what the weather is doing and it seems like they got the most snow so far of any other mountain thus far...could be wrong but they're up there. Makes me consider flying into Seattle instead of Park City when I get a chance.
Don't do that - not unless it is a full-on La Nina year. Crystal is awesome. Great, big mountain terrain and we get a ton of snow (many years). And the best part is that it is 1.5 hrs door to door. And today it was bluebird, which around here makes up for a lot. But the conditions can turn on a dime and you can get absolute dreck. Example: Thursday was the day this week. Apparently, it was epic. Faceshots on Powder Bowl. I knew it would be. Bummer for me. But it warmed up and rained on Friday and then refroze Saturday. We got an inch last night that helped a bit, but it was pretty firm out there today (there were spots out there that the easties would have recognized). Awesome day, but the snow was far from epic.
Here's how you do Crystal from out of town. . . wait for heavy storm cycle in late-Feb/March, book a last minute ticket to Seattle and catch a few days mid-week, spur of the moment (you can probably get a room at the Alpine mid-week, last minute; a weekend, forgetaboutit). But if you are spending your hard earned $ and planning in advance, don't fly over CO, UT, WY, MT to come here. Way too risky. We can always change our minds in the morning and worst case, we are only out time and gas $ if it sucks. Whistler is a safer bet if you are planning in advance. Feb-April. The higher peak elevation offers some insurance against being rained on.
I understand that the R290, E88 and Bushwacker skis are the same width underfoot - I just figured they ski differently enough to justify adding them to what I own.
No. Too similar. There are differences in feel, to be sure. But they are all tools for the same job. All mountain ~90 skis. A great choice for where you ski and fine on all but really deep days out west also.
I've been wanting the E88 since last year but I picked up the Rocker 2 90 skis a few weeks ago because they will be a lot of fun to ski on AND because I got them for a great price.
Lie down and let the feeling go away. The R290s will be great - unless you actually demo'd the E88, you have no idea whether you'd like it better. You might like it less. At any rate, you pulled the trigger. You got a good deal on something appropriate for what you were looking for. You are all set.
AND from what I understand the Experience 88, though the same width under foot as the Rocker 2 90, is primarily a groomer ski, an amazing groomer ski, whereas the Rocker 2 90's can be used in different situations.
Not really. They are both ~90 all mountain skis. You are falsely inferring that anecdotal distinctions about feel are objective distinctions about performance. You are underselling the R290 on the groomed and the E88 on all-mountain. They are both going to be fine across all of these dimensions - different feel, but workable to the point that you wouldn't feel bad not to have the other. If you want an "amazing groomer ski" drop down another 15mm and get a GS cheater ski - or just ride your other Sollies super hard and fast until you are convinced that they aren't stable enough for you.
Then you tell me that the S3 and Access would be good skis for me, at 98mm and 100mm under foot respectively, but the Prophet 98 is too similar to the Rocker 2 90's that I already bought, and not a big enough jump in width to justify purchasing.
Go back to my advice. Think about ski days, not classes of skis. What would you ride on what day. That's the way we all do it. Of course, there are folks here with 4 different flavors in ~98/88. Or 6 different powder skis, or race skis or whatever. But those are folks who have been at it a long time, know what they want and understand the differences and purposes of each ski for them. Or they are collectors.
You already have a R290. The P98 is basically a wider version of that concept - all around, all-mountain ski. I have a pair of P100s. Love them. Rode them today at Crystal. The P98 is the same concept, just better with a bit of early rise. Not a powder-oriented ski, but good in soft stuff and really good all over the mountain. A great everyday ski for out here. Maybe a little much for an everyday ski in the east (depending on where and when you ski). But you already have a solid everyday ski to ride on firmer, non-powder days. So for you at ~100, I recommended two skis with a major soft-snow bias in feel and handling. Forgiving, no metal. Because this would be a ski that you'd use only on soft snow days. Even out west, if it were firm (like this morning at Crystal), you might still prefer your R290s (that would be a preference, but rational). So if you are going to get something fatter than your 90s, I'd sacrifice the better performance on hardpack that you'd get from a P98 and go with something fun and surfy. And you are still learning. You don't know whether you like damp skis, soft skis, poppy skis, etc. . . FWIW, the Access is a ski that I like a lot and I think that it is a great deal. It is light, easy to ski and surprisingly solid enough on soft groomers, bumps, etc. . . . I think that it would make a great ski for east coast powder days, where you are basically skiing in tight trees. It is a blast to ride in that scenario where it is soft and tight. Open it up, shut it down. Carve a bit, slarve a bit. Fun, underrated ski. Not the hottest ski on the wall, but shops around here sell a ton of them, for good reason. The S3 is a similar concept for a similar purpose - different make, different feel (you see tons of folks riding the S3 up at Whistler, for obvious reasons). Ben and Jerry's chocolate v. Hagen Daz chocolate. Take your pick.
And I don't think I'll get enough use for the Rossignol S7 that you suggested...at 115 under foot?
I don't either. But if you really want to buy something else, it fills a quiver hole. And if you catch a powder day out west, they will make you feel like a hero.
And if you suggest the S3 or the Access, why not the Atomic Alibi?
Alibi is more like the P98. A capable all-mountain ski. It has a metal spin laid into the core so it is more stiff and more stable than than the Access. Less of a float/surf orientation. The inlaid metal spine allows for stability while maintaining a pretty light swing weight - it is a particular feel (which I can only infer from riding the bigger brother, the Ritual - which is way too much ski for you, imo). Reviews have been all over the place, but a buddy of mine, who is a really strong skier, picked up a pair for the narrower slot in a quiver of 2 and he is pretty impressed so far. But as the smaller in a quiver of 2, he is looking for decent grip and hard snow performance. For you, I think that the Access makes more sense because this would be your soft snow ski. The biggest stick in a quiver of 3 (and growing).
I'm primarily "thinking out loud" when I write this here, hoping to get a good dialogue going.
I'd just like to get a few go anywhere do anything east coast skis - perhaps 2 that are different enough to justify getting both.
Why? You won't wear your skis out - at least not in a season. If you are that interested in a particular category of skis, just spring for a demo next time you are at a larger resort (and swap out throughout the day). Consider it a $40 investment in fun, or advanced education about a growing hobby. Or hit a demo day when it is free. Those are the two basic ways that most of us (who are not industry professionals) get a feel for the various skis on the market. Magazines are fun. But real data comes from your feet.
So I was thinking that the Prophet 98 was a good choice because it's 98 mm in the waist, about as big as I think I need to go for the east coast...while still getting a lot of use out of it...but, then again, the shovel up front isn't much larger (if at all) than the ones on the Rocker 2 90's that I already own...so would the Prophet 98 be much better in 6 or 12 inces of new snow than the Rocker 2 90 skis? Perhaps not.
Maybe. A skier could handle either. In a foot of new snow, I'd personally prefer the P98 to any of the 90s. The Access would be better than the Prophets. A powder ski would be even better than that. But reality check: if there is 6-12" of new snow, I am having fun no matter which ski I have pulled from the garage.
Consider this: How many powder days have you skied? On those days, how much of the time do you leave the groomed track? If you are still skiing groomers on soft packed powder, additional width doesn't necessarily offer an advantage.
So then I was thinking the Experience 88, for those times in the east it hasn't snowed in a while and conditions are hard...a phenomenal corduroy ski...
If you really want a corduroy slayer, because you have the 90s, you want something narrower. This board is a great place to find suggestions for that - but I am for sure the wrong person to make recommendations on carvers.
but then I understand the Bushwacker is great on the groomed runs AND when we get some snow...
Same purpose, capabilities as the 90s.
thinking out lout again...
chime in if you care to.
One last thing! Other people on this board ski 10 times a month in December because of where they live and the conditions there...and I only ski 10 times a year because of where I live and the conditions here! It's hard to ski 10 times in December when I live 5 hours away from mountains that only have 5 to 10 trails open until late in January.
I bring up your experience, neither to be a jerk nor elitist. Rather, it goes to context. It is the point that 98brg2d makes above. You don't have enough experience to know what you want. That's why you didn't understand my last post. That's why mtcyclist did. He has context. Deep overlap for someone so new to the sport is crazy. And meaningless. Get a ski, work it hard and see what you think. At only 10 days in, you have way bigger things to worry about than equipment - assuming you have boots dialed in and a semi-appropriate pair of all-mountain skis. You need ski days (and lessons). Not more skis.
But I plan to ski more than the 9 days I skied last year. Once January comes I plan to hit it hard! It also helps that more coworkers seem to be more interested in getting away - last year I was skiing half the time by myself...plus those long drives by myself.
Save the $ and use it on hotel rooms to double the bang for your gas/driving buck. Or buy a cheap plane ticket to a western resort and ski 7 days straight. That will do more for your skiing than any quiver enhancement. Be a skier, not a collector. If you keep after it for a while you'll accumulate a nice stockpile of gear before you know it.
I know you are trying to help me and I appreciate it...but I hope you realize I'd love to ski A LOT more...it's just hard when the conditions suck until mid winter, when you live 5 hours away and when you don't know anybody that is interested in skiing.
Happy to help out. You came to the right place to get good advice from people who, at a minimum, have a decent amount of experience. Read through the thread - the consistency of the advice should tell you something.