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post #61 of 75

When you think about why Vail, Telluride, Deer Valley, Whistler, and PCMR are rated so high, it’s obvious. Fast lifts, great snow, great terrain, great lodging, great food, and a hoppin’ après. When you combine all of those and judge resorts on their ability to hit ALL of those criteria, it makes sense.

 

Of course, the TGR, Unofficial Network and Epicski folks don’t care about all of those features. It’s terrain and snow. That’s the bottom line. If we had to make our own survey, it would likely look like this:

http://www.powderhounds.com/USA/Best-Ski-Resorts.aspx

post #62 of 75
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Originally Posted by Skierish View Post

 

I don't think there is any "fault" at all per se.  SKI weights their categories according to what's important to their target audience.  It's as simple as that, and there's nothing wrong with that.  Making the bulk of their readers happy is a sound and practical business decision.

 

While some of us may get a kick out of thumbing through SKI from time to time, the skiers on this site are not their target audience.

 

 

I doubt if SKI magazine cares a whit as to whether or not the denizens of Epicski.com are happy with their editorial decisions.


Agree completely with the first part, but the second part is off. It's a failing industry, so why not go ahead and appeal to all the customers that you can. In fact, the entire formula of SKI is to appeal to as many readers as it can, which is why it's so generic and general interest. It's not like by publishing their formula they'd be alienating their target demographic, so why would they not "care a whit" about leaving other potential readers in the cold? Especially now that Skiing, which once filled the role of appealing to Epicski types, has been pared into obscurity.

 

Besides its general resort list, SKI also publishes other lists, including "most challenging," so it cares at least one whit about reaching out to those above and beyond the Bogner and champagne-for-lunch crowd. I believe those more specific lists used to be published under Skiing, but now they appear on SKI, at least on the Web.

post #63 of 75
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Originally Posted by JoeUT View Post

It's a failing industry, so why not go ahead and appeal to all the customers that you can. 

 

Because you can't make all of the people...or all of the skiers...happy all of the time?  

 

I suspect expanding their appeal would mean expanding their content, and I would imagine that space and financial restrictions prevent that.  With the help of their marketing gurus, they've staked out their target audience, and it evidently doesn't include the statistically irrelevant number of skiers that populate boards such as this one...except maybe tangentially.

 

As I implied earlier, I'm not criticizing that choice.  I understand...as any good mobster will tell ya...that it's just bidness.

post #64 of 75
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Maybe if they just published the weighting, we'd be happier.

I wrote them requesting that they weight the categories by reader importance (or at least show those results) the last year I filled out one of those surveys and was ignored, no surprise.

 

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SKI weights their categories according to what's important to their target audience.

Absolutely.  But ironically the people who actually respond to the survey think more like the people on Epic according to the overall satisfaction results.   Otherwise  that list would line up better with SKI's equal category weighting rank.

post #65 of 75

Ski Magazine is a joke. Their criteria on choosing best resorts has almost nothing to do with actual skiing.

post #66 of 75

Agree with other comments about Snowbasin being incorrectly ranked.  Great terrain, fast lifts, great snow, and usually small crowds and it is ranked 30th.
 

post #67 of 75

I just checked out the rankings as I felt I made a bad decision going to whitefish MT and wanted to see where it ranked.  I was a bit surprised to see it so high....especially given neither the apres ski or the terrain...or the snow is that sensational/

 

I ddi not go expecting to be dissapointed.  I have a lot of nostalgia for the place as growing up in Calgary it was one of the only places fairly close by that had on hill accomidation and the tendancy to hire bar staff (Bierstube) who could not detect the most amature fake Canadian ID.

However, returning after 20 years of skiing all over western canada  US I was seriously dissapointed...

My biggest issue is limited terrain....sure there are some steep pitches but 8 turns and you are on a 10 minute cat track....sure you can duck back into the trees here and there but not once did I get out of breath and never had to stop half way down for a rest....try that at Revelstoke. Lake Lousise, Whistler...Kicking Horse...To rate all but the "cliffs" off East Rim as double black diamond is being very generous....and the cliffs were stupidly dangerous...the kind of terrain most sensible hills don;t open

 

......I think it would be a great place to ski in my 70s'....short runs, little steep bits with nice long traverses to catch your breath...the sort of place that makes you think you can ski  the "big steeps" even when you really can't. 

.

 

The kids had fun because they were there with friends but as for after ski activities compared to family resorts like Big White and Silverstar in BC it was woeful.  The family accomidations were not good value.

 

I have been very keen to check out some of the other places on the list but to see them ranked below WHitefish gives me serious pause..

 

So what gives?

post #68 of 75
Thread Starter 
We have had better snow than Colorado the last two years. Prior to that, we were always ranked much lower. Did you ski Connie's, Picture Chutes, Area 51, Window Pane, Back Nine, Super Mario, Tweener? Most of the acreage is trees, so if you don't like that, I can see where the lack of a top-to-bottom Haskill Slide or Big Horn might be wanted, if I get your desired terrain...Steeps with few trees?.. No cliffs? But we need those trees so we can see where we're going. Clearly, we're not Fernie or Jackson Hole.

Did you take a tour with an Ambassador and tell them what you were looking for in the way of terrain?

Not sure where you stayed, but the mountain and town have a myriad of accommodations, most independent of the ski area, across a very wide price spectrum. I would encourage people generally to stay in the town as opposed to at the mountain.

Definitely very little glitz here. Good bar scene, good restaurants, but the town closes down at night, that's for sure. Most of the store owners decided they weren't selling anything to people killing time before their dinner reservations, so gave up the night time bit. And we're not big on malls or box stores.

As for SKI mag ratings, they're not well known as gauges of terrain. More as indicators of what people who only ski eight days a year like. Next time, come to Epic Ski and list your requirements and you'll get recommendations for ski areas that are a better fit for you.

In case anyone else is wondering, here's how we scored on specific categories:

"Whitefish’s overall number 11 ranking is determined by a combination of reader’s scores across 20 different categories, including digital presence (#6), value (#10), family programs (#10), service (#11), grooming (#11), lifts (#11), lodging (#13), terrain parks (#13), off-hill activities (#13), character (#15), overall satisfaction (#15), après-ski (#16), on-mountain food (#16), dining (#16), scenery (#20), terrain/variety (#20), terrain/challenge (#21); snow (#24), access (#34), and weather (#46)."
Edited by sibhusky - 2/19/13 at 10:54pm
post #69 of 75
Whitefish scored very high in the "quality of epicski ambassadors" category.
post #70 of 75
Thread Starter 
Apparently this guy showed up to make one post trashing Whitefish, then left.

Currently have a base over 100 inches, can't please everyone, but some like it: http://vimeo.com/m/59616651

And last week the parking lot was either Canadians or.... more Canadians, so in spite of this guy having skied all of western Canada, there's something bringing them...
post #71 of 75
Don't waste your time thinking about it. Neither you nor the resort have anything to prove here. I prescribe a couple hours of cross country to restore proper perspective. smile.gif
post #72 of 75
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by qcanoe View Post

Don't waste your time thinking about it. Neither you nor the resort have anything to prove here. I prescribe a couple hours of cross country to restore proper perspective. smile.gif

Actually, I feel like I've been doing a lot of cross country the last few days. Been doing a lot of tree skiing and the snow is really really deep. Put your pole down and it invariably sinks up to the grip... Tried taking tree well pictures for that thread and you can't tell what you're looking at. But basically, you could drown WITHOUT a tree well in some areas. Taking the day off today as I've just been wiped out the last two days. GREAT SEASON.... As to this review above, well, hopefully it'll cut down on those strange cars... :-)
post #73 of 75
Thread Starter 
For those who care about survey results, pretty sure next year we'll be back down in the mid-twenties. We've had one of the foggiest years I can remember. Some PA ski club told a pass holder yesterday they'd never be back... Skiing by Braille apparently not in their skill set.
post #74 of 75
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

For those who care about survey results, pretty sure next year we'll be back down in the mid-twenties. We've had one of the foggiest years I can remember. Some PA ski club told a pass holder yesterday they'd never be back... Skiing by Braille apparently not in their skill set.

 

Most of the InterMountain ski teams hated going to "Fog Mountain" for races.  Canceled races. Delayed races. Races in bad visibility.  I'd guess people scheduling ski trips would have same issues. Risky place to schedule the yearly ski trip and for not that big or high a mountain (6817 summit is really low, lower than Park City's base) with not that much snow, 300 vs. PC's 365.

 

Fog Mountain might have saved my life though. Skiing in the fog there when downhill was canceled went over an unseen drop, whacked my head on back skis when I landed, lights out and big cut and lump.  Went and bought my first helmet.  Few weeks later, sliding down Hood ice patch head first into a tree with my Fog Mountain helmet on...big dent in the helmet. No dent in me.  Fog Mountain didn't kill me, it made me safer.

post #75 of 75
Thread Starter 
Note. According to Park City's website, here is that 365:
What is the average snowfall at Park City Mountain Resort?

A: The 20-year average snowfall measured at the top of the Jupiter chair is 365 inches per year:

67 inches for November
71 inches for December
73 inches for January
69 inches for February
69 inches for March
30 inches for April

Whitefish, on the other hand, takes their snowfall numbers as follows. On opening day, they use whatever base they've got as the starting snowfall. This year they opened Dec 8. The base was 54 inches. (That's settled snow, so not quite comparable to the November number.) They then add what falls during the season to that number and stop counting the day they close, this year April 7. The different method of counting means those numbers cannot be compared.

... Of course, we are running ahead of you even this year ignoring the different starting points... :-)

I couldn't find the current base depth on their site, so won't try to compare that...

I never liked sending my daughter to Mammoth, over half the races were cancelled.. Park City we did have better luck, only a few.. I used to gatekeep at our NorAms, only remember one cancelled race and it was due to high winds and sub zero temps, but also remember many delayed starts due to fog, as I was in place at a gate waiting and waiting..

The mountain is what it is and so is the weather. Years ago, when Hines corp was planning major expansion like we were Whistler or something, I wondered if God was on their Board of Directors and had bought into this... I like our fog, it keeps us real. Plus I'm getting better and better at skiing in the stuff.. I feel pity for someone who arrives on a half chair day for their first day, tho, if I'm getting lost!
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