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Bonafide vs Cochise -- questions

post #1 of 26
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Hey gang, I'm looking to buy a new ski for this coming season, if for no other reason to add another option for my skiing fun.  smile.gif  I'm intrigued by all the positive press the Blizzard skis are getting, particularly the Bonafide and Cochise. 

 

Currently my 2 primary skis are the 112RP Pure and MX88.  I know the Bonafide fits best in terms of the waist dimension (right in between the MX88 and 112RP).  But here is essentially what I'd be looking for in this new ski: good stability at speed, versatile, good in both deep/shallow snow, and can still carve reasonably well on hardpack.  I love the 112RP's, but I find that any skiing on harder snow is really tiring and tough on my legs/knees.

 

Thoughts? 


Edited by Clax - 10/14/12 at 11:54am
post #2 of 26

There doesn't seem to be a gap between  or around the skis you already own.  On the other hand, if you just want another pair of skis....go for it!

post #3 of 26
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Originally Posted by mgrezmer View Post

There doesn't seem to be a gap between  or around the skis you already own.  On the other hand, if you just want another pair of skis....go for it!

Yeah, I know that I really don't need them.  I just want them.  I'm a gear whore.  I confess.  LOL.

post #4 of 26
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Yeah, I know that I really don't need them.  I just want them.  I'm a gear whore.  I confess.  LOL.

Hey man your not alone, i bought 5 pairs of skis this season. Im young, so i clearly see the the gap your talking about. I have skis above 100m at 100, 106, 113, 117, 122. 

 

Your right that the bonafide would fit in the middle. but your mx88 is a great all mountain ski, and you dont need the bonafide. I think The cochise is going to hit that sweet spot your looking for. 

 

According to blister gear reviews, cochise ripss hard. and they rate them right up there with the belafonte for skis between 105-110. 

post #5 of 26

If limited to the two choices you offer, then the Cochise. More different from the 112 than the Bonafide would be from the MX. 

post #6 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks Skisafe and Beyond.  Seeing as you guys have similar perspective, what do you think would be the main differences between the Cochise and the 112RP Pure? 

post #7 of 26

Clax... be aware that SkiSafe is now 21 years old. He has not skied since he was 12. He is a marketer's wildest dream who would be much better off selling three pairs of his new skis and investing in some lessons and ski travel time. Please take anything he says with a very large grain of salt, or just read the marketing hype. He has no clue of what he will actually like as of yet, only what he 'thinks'. 

post #8 of 26
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

Clax... be aware that SkiSafe is now 21 years old. He has not skied since he was 12. He is a marketer's wildest dream who would be much better off selling three pairs of his new skis and investing in some lessons and ski travel time. Please take anything he says with a very large grain of salt, or just read the marketing hype. He has no clue of what he will actually like as of yet, only what he 'thinks'. 

is it wrong? get off my back jerk off. i hope you feel cool.

 

ill be better than most after  a month. I have 120 days to dedicate to ski season. im sure once the deep snow comes ill be using all of my skis.

 

 And anyways im traveling to BC, Wyoming, Utah, and Tahoe. 

 

someones just jealous, keep to your own stuff from now on tho, this isnt an immature forum with finger pointing

post #9 of 26
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post

Clax... be aware that SkiSafe is now 21 years old. He has not skied since he was 12. He is a marketer's wildest dream who would be much better off selling three pairs of his new skis and investing in some lessons and ski travel time. Please take anything he says with a very large grain of salt, or just read the marketing hype. He has no clue of what he will actually like as of yet, only what he 'thinks'. 

but you are right. i should invest in some lessons. 

post #10 of 26

You can take my info however you want. but ill let you know i get it all from scouring the web for all reviews possible, so busy guys who dont have the time can just ask a quick question on a forum. thats what its for

 

its too bad we have assholes trying to feel good about themselves, offering no help at all...get outta here 

post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by SkiSafe View Post

is it wrong? get off my back jerk off. i hope you feel cool.

 

ill be better than most after  a month. I have 120 days to dedicate to ski season. im sure once the deep snow comes ill be using all of my skis.

 

 And anyways im traveling to BC, Wyoming, Utah, and Tahoe. 

 

someones just jealous, keep to your own stuff from now on tho, this isnt an immature forum with finger pointing

 

Bud, I'm very pleased to hear that you have a travel budget and will take some lessons. I've said before that your stoke is admirable. Happy for you that you've got 120 days to ski this year... awesome! Had lots of those growing up, but only manage 65 or so these days. Jealous? No. Have skied many many days in all the places you've mentioned. Now if you were spending the season in Europe, maybe. Seriously though, you're a very talented talker and obviously a passionate student of the gear world. With some commensurate physical 1:1 experience, you'll be a ski rep in 7-10 years. You'll also realize how little you know at the moment and as said before, eventually feel pretty silly about how much you thought you knew. We've all been there to some degree if we're being honest with ourselves. My criticism in no way precludes any potential ability for you to become a great and well regarded skier. Gives us a shout when you're in BC. It's just a stone's throw up the road. 

post #12 of 26
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Bud, I'm very pleased to hear that you have a travel budget and will take some lessons. I've said before that your stoke is admirable. Happy for you that you've got 120 days to ski this year... awesome! Had lots of those growing up, but only manage 65 or so these days. Jealous? No. Have skied many many days in all the places you've mentioned. Now if you were spending the season in Europe, maybe. Seriously though, you're a very talented talker and obviously a passionate student of the gear world. With some commensurate physical 1:1 experience, you'll be a ski rep in 7-10 years. You'll also realize how little you know at the moment and as said before, eventually feel pretty silly about how much you thought you knew. We've all been there to some degree if we're being honest with ourselves. My criticism in no way precludes any potential ability for you to become a great and well regarded skier. Gives us a shout when you're in BC. It's just a stone's throw up the road. 

im sorry, i have been dealing with newschoolers and tetongravitybangers all weekend running there mouths and i just thought somebody was following me or something.

 

i said according to blister gear review....implying its not my own knoweldge. but i agree i tend to talk like im an expert. ive said this before and ill say this again im not a begginer, and i come from a family of expert skiers, giving my first name...not only my father was almost pro my sister used to teach and ski guide in squaw. im  not some JONG/Gaper just trying to act like he knows it all. 

 

Also, not trying to sound snotty (I LIVE IN BEAVER CREEK! LOL) i understand engineering and physics quite well and given the specific shapes, hammerhead or five dimensional or pintail, etc. i understand the concepts and how they could actually ski on given conditions. 

 

I know i am a talented talker, which is why ill be a ski rep in 3 years. im going to go for the ambassador of vail resorts tho. Since my first name is Vail.

 

Im not getting defensive nor is this troll.  i just want to be clear sooo this stopps happening.

post #13 of 26

MX88, Bonafide and Wailer 112RP? Damn fine 3 ski quiver. I think you will be very happy with that. 

post #14 of 26
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

MX88, Bonafide and Wailer 112RP? Damn fine 3 ski quiver. I think you will be very happy with that. 

 

What about the Cochise, Phil?  Too similar to the 112RP?  From what I have read, it seems the Cochise is a little stiffer, litter more of a charger than the 112RP, with the 112RP being more soft-snow bias.  And I've read that the Cochise carves nearly as well as the Bonafide.  I'm guessing you feel the Bonafide would fit better, but what are your thoughts on what I have written in this post about the Cochise?  Thanks Phil.

post #15 of 26
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Originally Posted by Clax View Post

 

What about the Cochise, Phil?  Too similar to the 112RP?  From what I have read, it seems the Cochise is a little stiffer, litter more of a charger than the 112RP, with the 112RP being more soft-snow bias.  And I've read that the Cochise carves nearly as well as the Bonafide.  I'm guessing you feel the Bonafide would fit better, but what are your thoughts on what I have written in this post about the Cochise?  Thanks Phil.

 

While the Cochise is a great wind buffed charger is is no where near as versatile as the Bonafide and doesn't carve nearly as well. The MX88 is a is your hard snow ski, the Bonafide as your 70%er then the 112 is your powder ski. 

post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by SkiSafe View Post

im sorry, i have been dealing with newschoolers and tetongravitybangers all weekend running there mouths and i just thought somebody was following me or something. And you have 156 posts here since you joined 24 days ago. Impressive. At this rate you'll have 2,300 posts in a year just on Epic. I can only guess at the other sites. Do you have a day job? biggrin.gif

 

i said according to blister gear review....implying its not my own knoweldge. but i agree i tend to talk like im an expert. Yep. ive said this before and ill say this again im not a begginer, and i come from a family of expert skiers, giving my first name...not only my father was almost pro my sister used to teach and ski guide in squaw. im  not some JONG/Gaper just trying to act like he knows it all. Well, problem is that you do come across like a classic know-it-all insecure teen, whether you're a good skier or not, or are a teen or not. Referencing your family as a mystery defense doesn't help.  

 

Also, not trying to sound snotty Not a promising lead (I LIVE IN BEAVER CREEK! LOL) i understand engineering and physics quite well and given the specific shapes, hammerhead or five dimensional or pintail, etc. i understand the concepts and how they could actually ski on given conditions. Seriously, have you been to college yet? Just asking because there are actually a bunch of folks here who are engineers, physicists, etc., others have helped design gear for majors, and and I'm having trouble fitting your web persona, or language, or likely age, to your claims. 

 

Put less delicately, if you can't do the math as part of your livelihood, or at least as what you recall from your college major, you don't "know" engineering or physics or other sciences. Instead you're working from "concepts," eg, teaching glosses of what engineers or hard scientists find out. All good, that's how the world works. And if you haven't actually helped design or test skis for a ski company, then you're a decent amateur carefully reading explanations from those guys. Nothing wrong with that either, most of us do the same. Are you a shop guy? The good ones tend to appreciate the finer points of design and execution, whether they majored in physics or hallucinogens. Do you teach? I've learned a lot about ski design from instructors. Executive summary: People here who have worked hard to accumulate skill sets in these areas tend to feel, ah, bemused by folks who claim same skills without a lot of evidence. 

 

I know i am a talented talker, which is why ill be a ski rep in 3 years. im going to go for the ambassador of vail resorts tho. Since my first name is Vail. Now this is more prime troll material. Or classic teen spirit. Just sayin' wink.gif

 

Im not getting defensive nor is this troll.  i just want to be clear sooo this stopps happening. Hmmm. OK. But maybe you got flamed over at TGR because you tried the same schtick there and found out they'e less tolerant. Suggest you take a deep breath, back away from the keyboard for a few days, maybe go do something outside like running up and down a mountain a few times, and then come back and contribute. Always room for strongly presented arguments here. Sez I. biggrin.gif

post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

MX88, Bonafide and Wailer 112RP? Damn fine 3 ski quiver. I think you will be very happy with that. 

Well, yeah, wouldn't most of us? biggrin.gif (Truth in advertsing: This is Phil's quiver, far as I recall, and I also own the MX88 and the 112RP. So to say we'd recommend any of them is kinda self-evident.). But in all honesty, if I owned the Bone, I wouldn't own the MX88. Too much overlap; I'd sell my 88's and get MX78's. Alternatively, if you're simply hot to buy another ski, would rather suggest keeping your MX88's and getting something totally different from what you own. Like either a 70-something carver for hard day fun; the Blizzard Supersonic or Stockli SX or Dynastar Speed course Ti or Kastle RX70 come to mind, or a directional big mountain gun like the Katana or BMX 108 or Bodacious that will contrast nicely with the 112's. Put another way, why cram everything together? (Which of course is another debate, and we've had threads about it.)

post #18 of 26

Who woulda thunk it... a thread asking about which ski is best included in a quiver becomes a pissing match...

 

Where is my popcorn?

post #19 of 26
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Well, yeah, wouldn't most of us? biggrin.gif (Truth in advertsing: This is Phil's quiver, far as I recall, and I also own the MX88 and the 112RP. So to say we'd recommend any of them is kinda self-evident.). But in all honesty, if I owned the Bone, I wouldn't own the MX88. Too much overlap; I'd sell my 88's and get MX78's. Alternatively, if you're simply hot to buy another ski, would rather suggest keeping your MX88's and getting something totally different from what you own. Like either a 70-something carver for hard day fun; the Blizzard Supersonic or Stockli SX or Dynastar Speed course Ti or Kastle RX70 come to mind, or a directional big mountain gun like the Katana or BMX 108 or Bodacious that will contrast nicely with the 112's. Put another way, why cram everything together? (Which of course is another debate, and we've had threads about it.)

I also own the Stockli SX, so I have the 70-something carvers covered.  ;-) 

 

BMX 108 sounds interesting though.  That would be great if it were a blend between the MX88 and the 112RP.

post #20 of 26
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Mentioning the BMX 108 sounds like a possibilty.  Let me ask you guys this, we cat ski and heli ski regularly, and I'd like something that I can also use in these situations, when maybe the snow isn't exactly deep blower.  Cochise?  BMX 108?  Prob the Bonafide would be a little narrow for this?

post #21 of 26

Being the only one in this thread who has owned the three skis in question (and multiple pair of each) and have skied the Cochise a fair amount. I am going to stand by my recommendation. I think the MX88 and Bonafide can quite easily coexist in a quiver. The Bonafide and MX88 could very well be the best two skis of the past 2-3 years, why not have both. 

post #22 of 26

As someone who owns a Bonafide and 112RP from the last season, I am bemused at why someone wants to spend major money on having something that fits in between...  But there is always ways to invent reasons to have another ski...popcorn.gif  

post #23 of 26
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As someone who owns a Bonafide and 112RP from the last season, I am bemused at why someone wants to spend major money on having something that fits in between...  But there is always ways to invent reasons to have another ski...popcorn.gif  

The question is for in between the MX88 and the 112RP. 

post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

The question is for in between the MX88 and the 112RP. 

I get it,I get it, but if I already had the MX88 I'd probably had to reason very hard to convince myself to get a Bonafide.  I have not been on the MX, but if everything I read is true, there is not much that can not be covered by MX and 112RP combo.  (Same is true for the Bone/112RP combo by the way).  Maybe the boilerplate ice of Dec/Jan last year, but that called for a GS ski, not a fatty.  I just trying to imagine a day when I would be happy on the Bonafides and not happy on a polished, damp, and powerful 88mm ski (which is what I expect the MX88 to be).  Also at Tahoe hardpack usually means rocks, and that would mean that I'd have to take out my most expensive ski in the worst of conditions...  So, there you are, I just talked myself out of the MX88  smile.gif.

post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by Clax View Post

Mentioning the BMX 108 sounds like a possibilty.  Let me ask you guys this, we cat ski and heli ski regularly, and I'd like something that I can also use in these situations, when maybe the snow isn't exactly deep blower.  Cochise?  BMX 108?  Prob the Bonafide would be a little narrow for this?

This is the BMX108. Its Kastle's "serious" gun for big mountains. Reason why everybody and his brother nominates them for the one ski to take to someplace that's steep and open but not necessarily getting a foot of fresh every night. They're about as far as you can get from the 112's in feel, and they dominate stiff crud or heavy chop at silly speeds. Not for trees or small bumps, though, unless you're prepared to pay attention. They'll carve groomers just fine. The Cochise would be another candidate, but I sense from the reviews is more of a halfway house between big mountain guns and user friendly blower smearers. Which is why everyone loves them as the fatter ski in a two ski quiver. 

post #26 of 26

If the OP wants to add between the MX88 and 112's wouldn't he want to try something with a totally different personality than the DPS ski?  I'm thinking an FX104 or Scott Schmidt or Stormrider Pro or Katana or Helldorado?  They may not be "between" in size but would give a different experience.  I've actually been thinking of adding such a ski, along with something "between" the 68mm wide skis and the 98 wide Blizzards.

 

I own 112RP Pure and Bonafide's and I've skied the MX88 on a half day demo and on that day I preferred the Blizzards.

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