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post #1 of 23
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I am 6' - 200 lbs. Ski in Southern CO (Wolf Creek) and spend most of my time on blues / blacks. I would spend more time on blacks if I didn't have kids. Skiing for close to 20 years, but never been down a double black.

 

Looking at the:

 

Nordica Enforcer 2012 - 177cm (135-98-125)

Nordica Soul Rider 2012 - 185cm (134-97-124)

 

or possibly

 

Nordica Firearrow 80 Pro 2012 - 180cm (132-80-115)

 

 

On the fast groomed blues, I cannot lose to my younger brothers...its tuck and go. But, with my old skis, I struggle like crazy on powder and moguls and I would really like to get good at skiing those. We're all older now and have kids, so we take less chances with the racing to the bottom, and just go off piste for leisurely rides more often these days.

 

Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!

post #2 of 23

wow! now that's a diverse pick for sure.  well, does it have to be from this list?  dont be offended but is that 200# of muscle or beer? 

 

Why? Enforcer is a ski that will want your attention which doesn't really fit with the easy, casual skiing you mentioned.  The Soul Rider is a soft ski; (i just bought a pair) that is fun, snappy and more in line with what you want, but may be too soft for a 200'r but its probably the best of what you listed for what you described.

 

Fire arrow? ..  not what you want.... bumps powder soft snow- this ski ain't.  

 

how about? 

 

If its a nordi' you want, how about a hell and back? or even a steadfast?

 

the trusty Blizzard Bonafide if it can be other than Nordi'

 

also, did you see the blem sale at Start Haus?

post #3 of 23

Ptex is probably about 200# and he skis the Patron almost exclusively, or did last year anyway.  The Helldorado is the same ski with metal and might be a better choice.  Steadfast is only 90mm and no metal so it might give him the float that he wants.  And definitely check out the blem sale at Start Haus, they have some killer deals.

post #4 of 23

a little wide for easy skiing around groomers, bumps and side country as everydayers?  I know it works for some but 113 underfoot with rocker for everyday?  that's a lot of extra ski to deal with for the majority of use he intends; especially for bumps that he wants to work on

post #5 of 23

Given the models/sizes you listed, I suspect you have looked at the blem sale we have going on.

 

We break down ski categories according to width which gives at least a starting point to dechipher intended usage.

 

  • FireArrow 80: Primarily packed snow oriented with good grip for the category. Also, one of the easiest in bumps and more forgiving in a category that's not particularly easy or forgiving.

 

  • Steadfast: Light, exceptionally nimble and surprisingly grippy. Good choice for maybe 70% groomer and 30% off trail, good up to maybe boot top powder.

 

  • Enforcer: The 98mm category is what we sell in Tahoe for a 50/50 skier. This is a classic ski that is IMO one of the 2-3 best in class over several years. Superb in crud, good in powder to mid calf, among the best in category on packed surfaces but as mentioned, this is not a ski for someone with a short attention span.

 

  • Soul Rider: Similar shape as above but much softer and more playful at some expense in stability.

 

  • Unleashed Hell: Alternate reality version of the Patron which is one of the more highly regarded powder skis on the market. Skis the same as the Patron.

 

Your stated goals sound like the Steadfast to me but honestly, you could buy a two ski quiver here and have it all covered. One word of advice, the well is close to dry on some of these.

 

SJ

post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

Your stated goals sound like the Steadfast to me but honestly, you could buy a two ski quiver here and have it all covered. One word of advice, the well is close to dry on some of these.

 

SJ

 

There's the answer, Steadfast and Unleashed Hell, what a combo.

post #7 of 23

at the blem sale deals, I would run, grab my cc and buy a Steadfast and a Unleashed hell.....

post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

 

 

  • Soul Rider: Similar shape as above but much softer and more playful at some expense in stability.

 

 

SJ

 

Just sold the last Soul Rider. 

post #9 of 23
Thread Starter 

Yeah, I was looking at the Start Haus blem sale...that's why I was limiting the picks to those few. I talked with a couple of the guys for a few minutes, going over each of the skis and they said I needed to go with the Soul Rider for now...which is what I bought. ($269).

 

 

 

Quote:
Just sold the last Soul Rider. 

To me. :)  thanks for the help!

 

I do like the idea of getting a second pair for pack; the Fire Arrow 80 or Steadfast. I'll probably make that purchase with next year's budget allocation.

 

I do need to get some bindings for these new skis I believe. I know absolutely nothing about bindings. I have old boots and will try to make them last 1 or 2 more years. Suggestions on the bindings?

post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

dont be offended but is that 200# of muscle or beer? 

 

 

 

also, did you see the blem sale at Start Haus?

I am way more athletic and talented in my head, but I'd still say most of that is muscle :)  I swim half a mile a day and lift and do other cardio daily. Former quarterback.

 

And yes, the blem sale was what the choices were from. I got that tip from another thread on here.

 

My friend that skis with me is looking too, but he's not as anal as far as making sure he has the right ski. I did direct him to the Start Haus blem sale as well. But, they are almost out.

post #11 of 23

There are lots of good bindings available.  I have Marker Griffin Schizo on my Icelantic Shamans, some Look/Dynastar demo bindings on my Steadfasts and Marker system bindings on my old skinny Volkls.  Also got some Atomics with Atomic Neox bindings.  I'm putting Head Railflex RFD 14 bindings on a pair of Elan Apex skis for my son.  There is also the Knee Binding which some people believe helps to eliminate or even outright eliminate ACL injuries.  I guess so far nobody has torn an ACL using them but I'm not sure how meaningful that is since there is still a pretty small number of skiers using them mainly due to cost.  My preference on skis that I will be using off piste, like the Shaman, Steadfast and also the Apex, is for a binding with fore/aft adjustability.  On my Shamans I found that I like the binding set 1cm behind center and the Steadfasts are great on center.  From everything posted here I think my son will like the Apexes 1cm behind center.  You can sometimes find great deals on Head/Tyrolia bindings.  Just make sure you get bindings that  can be set for a DIN higher than what you need.  In general, the higher the DIN rating on the bindings the stouter it is.

post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by Hippopook View Post

I am way more athletic and talented in my head, but I'd still say most of that is muscle :)  I swim half a mile a day and lift and do other cardio daily. Former quarterback.

 

And yes, the blem sale was what the choices were from. I got that tip from another thread on here.

 

My friend that skis with me is looking too, but he's not as anal as far as making sure he has the right ski. I did direct him to the Start Haus blem sale as well. But, they are almost out.

sounds like you have chosen wisely my friend......  did you see my thread on the Soul rider? Best graphics in a long time (all time favorites are still the Whale tops on the shaman)

post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by Hippopook View Post

I am 6' - 200 lbs. Ski in Southern CO (Wolf Creek) and spend most of my time on blues / blacks. I would spend more time on blacks if I didn't have kids. Skiing for close to 20 years, but never been down a double black.

 

Looking at the:

 

Nordica Enforcer 2012 - 177cm (135-98-125)

Nordica Soul Rider 2012 - 185cm (134-97-124)

 

or possibly

 

Nordica Firearrow 80 Pro 2012 - 180cm (132-80-115)

 

 

On the fast groomed blues, I cannot lose to my younger brothers...its tuck and go. But, with my old skis, I struggle like crazy on powder and moguls and I would really like to get good at skiing those. We're all older now and have kids, so we take less chances with the racing to the bottom, and just go off piste for leisurely rides more often these days.

 

Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!

 

You live in Wolf Creek man, definately go with unleashed hell. go to starthaus dot com there like 299 for brand new blemished. I order a pair and the blemish is minor. almost non existent. 

 

However, if you are searching for the best "one ski quiver", I would say go with the Soul Rider, because the enforcer has no rocker, and i would go with the longer ski but that is personal

post #14 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

sounds like you have chosen wisely my friend......  did you see my thread on the Soul rider? Best graphics in a long time (all time favorites are still the Whale tops on the shaman)

I did not see it. Can you link it? Your post and the shop guy helped and this seemed like the skis for now since I am just buying one.

post #15 of 23
post #16 of 23
Thread Starter 

Thanks - read them both! Also, I showed the graphics to my 9 year old girl and she and all her gymnast friends loved em! She's a pretty good little skier for a Texas flatland girl who never sees snow  :)

post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by Hippopook View Post

Yeah, I was looking at the Start Haus blem sale...that's why I was limiting the picks to those few. I talked with a couple of the guys for a few minutes, going over each of the skis and they said I needed to go with the Soul Rider for now...which is what I bought. ($269).

 

 

 

To me. :)  thanks for the help!

 

I do like the idea of getting a second pair for pack; the Fire Arrow 80 or Steadfast. I'll probably make that purchase with next year's budget allocation.

 

I do need to get some bindings for these new skis I believe. I know absolutely nothing about bindings. I have old boots and will try to make them last 1 or 2 more years. Suggestions on the bindings?

Congrats. As far as bindings, yes we recommend them! Salomon Sth12, Marker Griffons or Look PX's will all do you fine. We have all in stock, gimme a call again or PM me. 

post #18 of 23
Soul Rider looks like it will be a fun ski smile.gif

My Unleashed Hell/Steadfast combo just arrived yesterday - Thank you Start Haus! I'm in Icelantic's First Tracks so I get Iceys cheap but the Nordica sale price was just too good to pass up.

As for bindings, I'm about your size (5'11" 190#'s) and I have Marker Jesters or Jester Schizo's on all my skis. Last time I checked there were really good online deals for last years Jesters and I actually like last years colors more than the current colors.

Cheers
post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Banquo View Post

Soul Rider looks like it will be a fun ski smile.gif
My Unleashed Hell/Steadfast combo just arrived yesterday - Thank you Start Haus! I'm in Icelantic's First Tracks so I get Iceys cheap but the Nordica sale price was just too good to pass up.
As for bindings, I'm about your size (5'11" 190#'s) and I have Marker Jesters or Jester Schizo's on all my skis. Last time I checked there were really good online deals for last years Jesters and I actually like last years colors more than the current colors.
Cheers

I am not sure about the Jesters. At first glance, everything I saw was over $400. I have almost no knowledge on bindings, but I was hoping to stay around $100. Last season's clearance items, as long as they don't get horrible ratings, are what I'm looking for.

 

The 2012 Soul Rider (cosmetic blemish) got great reviews online as well as on here and was about as low priced (due to the blemish) as I could find on any new ski. I know I'm not going to find 'cosmetic blemished' bindings, but a clearance type deal is what I'm looking for...

 

$400 is way out of my range.

 

Researching about bindings now.

post #20 of 23
I picked up the Jester Schizos on my RKRs for about $300 back in July but that is still 3x more than your proposed budget. I just noticed Philpugs response and he named three quality bindings. I'm not sure you will find a $100 binding but it looks like you can stay under $200 - check places like Evo or O2 gear shop for sales. Your SR's are 97mm so the 100mm brakes on the Salomons and Looks would be a nice fit.
post #21 of 23

Rossignol Axial2 140 XXL for 153 dollars of backcountry. 

post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by Banquo View Post

Soul Rider looks like it will be a fun ski smile.gif
My Unleashed Hell/Steadfast combo just arrived yesterday - Thank you Start Haus! I'm in Icelantic's First Tracks so I get Iceys cheap but the Nordica sale price was just too good to pass up.
As for bindings, I'm about your size (5'11" 190#'s) and I have Marker Jesters or Jester Schizo's on all my skis. Last time I checked there were really good online deals for last years Jesters and I actually like last years colors more than the current colors.
Cheers

What kind of deals do you get on the Icers? I might join fresh tracks next year. 

post #23 of 23
Thread Starter 

Report On The Soul Riders / Look Bindings:

 

First of all, I received compliments on almost every single lift ride where I rode with people I didn't know...and even a few when I rode with my kids. The skeleton playing guitar was a big hit with them.

 

As to the performance, these things were so much better than my old skis. I felt completely in control the entire time at my top speeds. I entered the weekend Giant Slalom race at Wolf Creek, CO on the Charisma run and finished 1st in my age bracket (31 to 35 males). There were only 5 faster times for the day out of all age brackets - all old farts (50 to 70 year olds). In the past, I would hate to hit the ruts around each flag left from all the previous racers as it would cause me to slip and spray a lot - my old skis just could not hold the line. The Soul Riders had no trouble whatsoever. I almost felt like they were 'sling shotting' me out of each turn and as I realized what was going on my turns got tighter and tighter...which led to:

 

On my second run, I had so much confidence in the skis, I decided I was going to knock over the flags as I passed each one - like the good skiers do. I was going to show everyone watching that I was a pro and knew what I was doing. Plus a tighter line means a better time and so I had to show off for my kids. During that 2nd run, I kept wimping out and missing the flags but as I got to the last flag, I said to myself - "quit being a puss and hit the flag!" Yeah - bad idea. I hit that flag and it hurt so bad...I started laughing and told myself to go back to being a puss. Apparently those arm and leg shields they use are there for a reason.

 

I got a 31 for my time and I think all the old guys were in the 28s.

 

I did not really get to the left of the mountain (and test the powder) this time as my 5 and 6 year old boys finally got up to the top of the mountain and I skied with them over and over - which was the joy of my trip because they skied 'Bunny Hop' and laughed very hard the entire way down as they 'hopped'.

 

Note: Skied one day at Purgatory. Was flying (in my own eyes) down one of the backside blues and I got passed like I was standing still. The guy hit one of those hills and flew in the air over 30 yards. By the time I got to the next hill, he was 200 yards ahead of me. I decided that was not acceptable and so I quit speed checking over the blind hills that I was unfamiliar with and got moving. That's when a girl in a red jacket passed me and I yelled, "working on my turns over here - you go right ahead."  lol - my gold medal ego got checked hard that day.

 

haha - had a lot of fun!

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