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Backcountry/Resort boot combination?

post #1 of 18
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Is there such a thing, and if there is, would this boot be it? I'm looking to find a boot that will allow me to ski on-piste with my daughter and to dabble a little in some backcountry when the family's out of town and I've got a weekend to myself. I've read/heard a lot of great stuff about Garmont, I can't afford to pay full price at a shop, but know my Mondo size. Is this a good deal? Any advice would be appreciated.

 

Sean

http://www.amazon.com/Garmont-Radium-Boot-Aubergine-Mondo/dp/B003UP5UM0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1349796975&sr=8-1&keywords=garmont+ski+boots

 

post #2 of 18

been after exactly that for a long time.

 

you can read about my latest adventure here:

http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2012-2013-tecnica-cochise-pro-light

 

as well as a preview of the cochise pro 130

http://blistergearreview.com/gear-reviews/2012-2013-tecnica-cochise-pro

post #3 of 18

oops, forgot to add: the radium has a very low toe box.  either it will fit you or it won't.  be sure you can return it, if you cannot try it on before buying. 

post #4 of 18

Viddie:

 

If you are looking for deals on AT boots you should alos check out Sierra Trading Post.  If you go to their site and search for "AT boots" you will get a few pages of them, some of which are pretty good deals.  MF

post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thanks, Mudfoot. Yeah, I've checked that out, a lot look pretty good. I'm having trouble finding a Mondo 28, though. What do you think of those Garmont Radiums for an everyday/slackcountry boot?

post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 

Or, maybe these. I've been out of the game a bit, is Dynafit a reliable make? Seems like a lot of people like them.

 

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/dynafit-zzero4-u-tf-at-ski-boots-for-men~p~4791t/?filterString=ski-boots~d~205%2Fsizefamily~mondo%3B28%2F&colorFamily=01

post #7 of 18

It's my understanding that the first year the radiums were out, the liner toe box was small. Mods have been made. I think the  later model liners have an orange heel and toe area, but don't quote me on that. 

post #8 of 18

Viddie:

 

The Radiums would probably ski better downhill and be heavier for AT, whereas the Dynafit Zzeros would be the other way around.  I use a pair of heavy Black Diamond AT Factor 130s for my alpine boot because I like the unlockable cuffs for walking, climbing and taking them on and off, but I have a pair of superlight Dynafit Zzero carbons for AT skiing.  Most of the top line four buckle AT boots are serviceable on-area boots.  The major things that separate  them are whether they have interchangeable (Vibram/alpine) sole blocks, whether they are Dynafit binding compatible, and their weight.

 

Once you find a pair of AT boots you like go to the Tech forum on the TGR web site and search for the boot. It should provide you with some input from people who have had experience using them.

 

Regarding Sierra Trading Post, I noticed a link right on this site here that gives you an additional 20% off.  FWIW, I have bought stuff from them several times through the years and have always been satisfied, but most of their stuff is discontinued models and was often discontinued for good reason, so do your homework before buying.

 

MF

post #9 of 18

I picked up a pair of the Technica Cochise at the end of last season.  Can't tell you if I love 'em or not yet because I have not used them yet.  They are billed as being exactly what you are looking for though and fit my feet great.  ymmv.  

post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the help, everyone. After trying to find something decent, my size, online and then feeling sick to my stomach at the very real prospect of spending several hundred bucks on a pair I'm less than satisfied with I've gone ahead and made a boot fitting appointment with Claude at SkiNet in Studio City, CA. I'm looking at those 2012 Cochises, which at 30% off should run somewhere in the mid 4's.

Apparently they won't sell you a new pair of boots without an order for custom orthotics, which I've also decided to go ahead and get. Screw it, I'll sell shit. I've never had a pair of really good fitting ski boots, it's time.

 

My wife's going to castrate me, but a man can still ski after that.

post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by Viddiewell View Post

I'm looking to find a boot that will allow me to ski on-piste with my daughter and to dabble a little in some backcountry when the family's out of town and I've got a weekend to myself. I've read/heard a lot of great stuff about Garmont, I can't afford to pay full price at a shop, but know my Mondo size. Is this a good deal? Any advice would be appreciated.

So far the consensus remains - as it has since chairlifts became the norm - that there is always some compromise to downhill control by adding flexibility and comfort for touring. That depends on what level of downhill control you need. If you're not really bashing gates, you don't really need that much power, at least if you're not normally cruising above 45 mph. Backcountry boots can handle some pretty difficult conditions, but not at high speed levels, and thus for typically lower forces. So, if you're comfortable with some compromise, there's a large range of power available and it's just a matter of finding a boot that fits both your foot for a high quality fit and a blend of touring flexibility, lightweight, and downhill power. You can have a lot, but you can't be superior on all three counts. Pick two and count your blessings.

You mentioned the Garmont Radium. A good medium power touring boot. There are better touring boots with equal or better power, but not lighter weight (Dalbello Virus, Lange XT, Tecnica Cochise Pro Light) and boots with better touring and lighter weight, with equal or lesser power (Scarpa Maestrale, Dynafit One, Garmont Cosmos) and lots with more power, more weight and less touring range of motion. Pick your poison and go earn your turns.
post #12 of 18

Viddie, what type of BC bindings do you intend to use? They make a huge difference on the boot choices.

post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by Viddiewell View Post

...My wife's going to castrate me, but a man can still ski after that.

I don't think you have to worry about it - you seem to be growing a pair. Well played.

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Originally Posted by divnamite View Post

Viddie, what type of BC bindings do you intend to use? They make a huge difference on the boot choices.

The Tecnica Cochise is compatible with pretty much compatible with any AT (or alpine) binding - swappable soles.
post #14 of 18
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I don't think you have to worry about it - you seem to be growing a pair. Well played.
The Tecnica Cochise is compatible with pretty much compatible with any AT (or alpine) binding - swappable soles.


I'm aware of that. My question is, does the OP know about binding requirement? If he's doing any tour, he'll need AT binding, which means more money. If he goes with Duke/Tour/Fritschi system, then he doesn't really need any tech binding compatible binding boots. If he goes with tech binding, then he will need the tech boots.

post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by divnamite View Post

I'm aware of that. My question is, does the OP know about binding requirement? If he's doing any tour, he'll need AT binding, which means more money. If he goes with Duke/Tour/Fritschi system, then he doesn't really need any tech binding compatible binding boots. If he goes with tech binding, then he will need the tech boots.

 

It's possible that I assume too much, but I would hope that since the OP is asking about backcountry boots that there is a basic familiarity with the gear requirements.  And in that case, since the Cochise can be fitted with both DIN and tech-compatible AT soles, my earlier observation stands.  ASSuming the Cochise is a good fit.  

post #16 of 18
Thread Starter 

Sorry, guys. Just checking back in now. I ended up with a pair of 2012 Nordica Enforcer Pros. $420. Ho-lee jeez, haven't found anything near it online, where I thought I'd be saving all the money. Claude plunked them down in front of me and said "that's a serious boot." I'll take his word for it. Can't wait for first day.

 

Divnamite, I'm on a pair of 2006 Marker Motion ATs. Mounted onto a pair of Volkl 5-Star Supersports. Ebay. I had to save money somewhere. New boards will the next stop. Maybe with holiday money next year.

post #17 of 18

Good job on the boots! A good pair of boots that fit you are hard to find! I could be wrong, but I don't think the Marker Motion AT is "backcountry" touring binding, is it? Either way, enjoy the new setup!

post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 

No, it's not, but it's what's under me for now. Just happy to be in a nice pair of boots.

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