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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I'm intrigued by the Bentchetler as a dedicated powder ski. I'm 6'6" and about 230 lbs. I hear that the tips and tails are stiffer this year. So I'm seriously considering getting them. Where would I mount on the 192 cm version?

Like I say, this would be a dedicated powder ski for catskiing. I don't ski switch at all.

Also, does anyone know what the factory bevels are on the chetlers?
post #2 of 23

Mount them 2.5cm (25mm or 1") behind the TEAM line.

post #3 of 23
Thread Starter 
So that's about 5 cm behind cord centre - since team centre is about 2.5 behind cord centre. Correct?
post #4 of 23
Thread Starter 
Emailed Atomic about binding placement and bevels. Bevels are 1 for base and 2 for side.

The answer I got for binding placement was interesting. The recommendation was 3 lines back from team centre for regular skiing but to go with team centre if skiing powder exclusively. From researching the issue on the web, It seems some people say to mount back for powder and others say to mount forward.

Guess I'm one of those who think that mounting back is better. You don't have to lean back to get your tips up. You can have your weight nice and forward. Easier on the quads. Think I'll go with the 2.5 cm back from team centre as per Betaracer's suggestion above.
post #5 of 23

Just a bit of input. I mounted mine on the team line last year. And being a fairly husky dude myself. I never felt like it was to far forward. This is where the ski is designed to be skied from.

 

I don't see what there is to gain by going further back.

 

Maybe the Starthaus crew can chime in seeing as it looks like a lot of Daron Rahlves ski's end up coming through their shop. I would be curious to see if he goes further back on his BC mount. Though I have only seen a few clips of him on that ski.
 

post #6 of 23

just a point of caution each line is 5mm not 1cm!!!

post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I was wondering about the line increments.
post #8 of 23
Thread Starter 

Thought  it worthwhile to show what everyone is talking about.  Looks like 2.5 cm on each side of team since the lines are .5 cm apart.  Still can't figure out where to mount for pure powder. Think I might go with the adjustable Marker jester schizo.

 

 

post #9 of 23

Just a word of advice. The team line is dialed. Mounting them further back will not make them better in pow. I weighed 230 last year when I was on them, and I never sunk the tips. People with antiquated ideas about ski design might trumped that you should mount them back for better pow performance. I would completely disagree.
 

post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I've read a lot of threads on the BC and the best mounting point for powder. A lot of people agree with you. However a lot say to mount it back from team. Probably it depends on the skier. That's my thinking with getting the schizo binding. If I mount it at team, I can move it back up to 3 cm to see what works best for me.
post #11 of 23

There is a reason that those options are available.

 

Center for regular switch skiing

Team for occaisional switch skiing

Classic for never switch skiing

post #12 of 23
Classic for Luddites who don't/can't/won't grasp the concept of newer ski shapes tat are meant to be skied more centered.
post #13 of 23

Just to throw a wrench in the discussion here...

 

Last year I rode some east coast pow on my 2010/11 chets at Jay Peak... most notable was the 47" of the fluffy stuff in two days.  I'm 6' 170 lbs. on the 183cm and they were mounted at Team. I ski trees and alpine and am an ex-racer. I remember having to be in the back seat at slower speeds and that when I centered my weight the tips dove... I'm def mounting mine at least -1.5cm from team this year (Last ones delam'ed and Atomic sent me the new 2012/13 so I have the option to change).

post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by moripper View Post

Just to throw a wrench in the discussion here...

 

Last year I rode some east coast pow on my 2010/11 chets at Jay Peak... most notable was the 47" of the fluffy stuff in two days.  I'm 6' 170 lbs. on the 183cm and they were mounted at Team. I ski trees and alpine and am an ex-racer. I remember having to be in the back seat at slower speeds and that when I centered my weight the tips dove... I'm def mounting mine at least -1.5cm from team this year (Last ones delam'ed and Atomic sent me the new 2012/13 so I have the option to change).

I highlighted your problem.

post #15 of 23
Thread Starter 

That makes a lot of sense to me Moripper.  I've heard some people muse that placing the binding further back puts the skier in the "back seat".  But I think the opposite is true.  If the binding is a little bit back you can get your weight further forward without the tips diving.

post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by Philwilhelm View Post

That makes a lot of sense to me Moripper.  I've heard some people muse that placing the binding further back puts the skier in the "back seat".  But I think the opposite is true.  If the binding is a little bit back you can get your weight further forward without the tips diving.


It's meant to be skied more centered.....if you are driving the tips.....you're doing it wrong.

post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post


It's meant to be skied more centered.....if you are driving the tips.....you're doing it wrong.

THIS!  its a great ski and as EC says, its creator, Chris Bentchetler desgined the ski to match his style. It rewards more balanced skiing.

post #18 of 23

It wasn't a matter of driving the tips that caused the dive it was a matter of being centered (body weight) at slower speeds and having the ski dive. It only took a run last season to find the sweet center spot these skis enjoy. I found that to keep the ski a float in deep fresh i still needed to favor the back seat. If I moved to center, slight dive. The 183 is most likely the issue but unfortunately, being that my home mountain is Jay Peak, the woods skiing is not really conducive to a longer 192 length ski. I think (since I've not mounted and tried them yet) the sweet spot for trade off of shorter ski is the mount being behind team rather then on it. 

post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 

Makes sense to me. What you're saying would also apply to the longer ski where the skier gets beyond a certain weight.  Having said that, I note that ecimmortal is about the same weight as me.  Hmmm ... all I can say is that I'm glad I got the adjustable bindings.  (Although from what I've seen in other threads, the wisdom of getting the schizos also has been a matter of considerable debate.)

post #20 of 23

Last weekend i finally had a chance to ride the 2012/2013 Bent Chetler 183. I have been riding the chetlers since 2009 and my old ones delaminated at the tail so , bought new ones for this season.

The ski has changed a little bit for the better .Maybe to soon to tell but after a few runs , i think they turn better and are not so loose at speed . I mounted these skis differently  then my last pair so that will change it somewhat . The first thing i noticed is how nice it turns ,smooth and stable in the shovel,the tail is stiffer also and it hangs on longer but if you load the ski up it pops out to the next turn like crazy its still a cool ski , for me its the best powder ski i have skied so far ,and i have skied a lot of different skis over the last 10 years in search of a powder ski that floats ,turns ,and is fun .When your legs are strong and your stance is good in powder all skis are pretty  good , but when your legs are shot and your back is sore you can still get home under some type of control on the chetler ,that is what i base my opinion on,I have never skied this ski on a groomer and why would I its a powder ski i use it a lot for back country and cat skiing only. The mount is every thing on this ski mounted my dukes at 1.5 centimeters forward of team at first and skied all of 2009 /2010 season there then for the 2010 2011 season moved them back to -2.5 from team which can put you in the back seat i think a little to often when you get tired,so i mounted my new ones at 1.5 cent behind team this time and it seems fine so far. I have read about some concerns about tip dive on this ski ,you got to be kidding me theirs enough rocker to put you on top of the deepest out there if it happens to you your off balance big time ,no ski is that forgiving. This years chetler is faster, ,it picks up speed and can haul ass, solid flex ,but at speed it really works, i noticed it the most in the trees at speed it turns ,think it and your there. I sometimes don t understand it, why is it we have so many skis to choose from they should just copy this ski and a few others, save us all this demo stuff
 

post #21 of 23

Does the 183 have the sprockets in the tip and tail to stiffen them up? The ONLY thing i did not like about the Bent Chetler was that I would have liked the ends of the ski to be stiffer.
 

post #22 of 23

Yes the ski now has the new atomic Sprocket Power Booster (sounds like something from the space shuttle) in the tip and tail, that reduces vibration ,but it seems stiffer,and tracks better at speed . I took my old chetlers and flexed them ,and the new skis and flexed them ,they seem the same but they do ski differently, I have three pairs here the 2010-2011 model one with airplane on it 2011-2012  water scene on the tails and the 2012-2013 model. when you pick them up they don t seem heavier ,but you really need to weigh them to determine that ,there all the same length

and same dimensions ,but the new chetler  seems stiffer when you ski it. I have only made one long run last weekend in rogers pass ,we skinned up the early shoulder. Right of the start if thought they where a little better in the shovel as soon as i started skinning up the nose did not seem to come up as much, but its more of a feel thing ,hard to explain unless you are a back country skier. Next week or two i will be out with some guys who bought the automatic and the k2 pettitors might get a chance to jump on the automatic for a comparison .
 

post #23 of 23
Thread Starter 
I just finished three days of catskiing on my 2013 bents. Good ski. Wish it was a bit stiffer. But then again I'm very tall and weigh 230 and I was wearing an avy bag with shovel etc.

I started out with the binding 1.5 cm back. The weather was warm and the snow was cement. I found I had to get back on the skis to make them work. The next day, I dialled my schizos back to minus 2.5 cm. Big dump overnight and the conditions were fantastic. I found that minus 2.5 worked well I was able to get over my skis and place my weight on the balls of my feet. The only downside was that I didn't have much of a back seat.

The skis worked well all in all.
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