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post #1 of 25
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Just saw that Icelantic has come out with their first line of ski boots called the First Degree Stormtrooper and was wondering if anyone has gotten their hands on a pair yet?

 

They are a 4 buckle, 3 piece design, with multiple forward lean settings, walk mode, totally new liner material, and factory installed Booster straps.

 

Thanks,
Mike

 

From the Icey website:  http://www.firstdegreeboots.com/

 

ST1

 

 

 

ST1 Boot Features:
- Flex: 6 (Medium)
- Classic 3 Piece Shell
- Walk Mode Capability
- 5 Forward Lean Options
- Last: 99mm
- Weight: 4.45 lbs
- Sizes: 24-31 (Half Sizes Included)

- Booster Strap Included

 

DFP World Cup Zero 3 Liner:
- 3 Layer Liner
- Won't Pack Out
- Double Lasted to provide the best possible fit
- Loads and rebounds for lively feel
- Heat moldable
- Biomechanically correct insole included

 

First Degree Boots is proud to introduce the Stormtrooper ST1 Ski Boot. The Stormtrooper ST1 boots are fully functional sidecountry alpine boots geared for skiers looking for high performance and comfort. With a classic 3-peice shell design, 4 heavy duty buckles, and walk mode capability, this boot will serve both in and out of bounds skiers looking for powder. The walk mode buckle enables full ankle flexing, which is crucial for walking to and from the lifts, or hiking along ridges. Plus, there are 5 forward lean options to suit any skier in any condition.  The ST1 has a medium flex of 6, or around 100.  Also, the boot comes stock with a Booster power strap and a new DFP World Cup Zero 3 Liner which allows for a full compression and rebound feel unlike anything before. Welcome to First Degree Boots.

 

ST2

 

 

 

 

ST2 Boot Features:
- Flex: 8 (Stiff)
- Classic 3 Piece Shell
- Walk Mode Capability
- 5 Forward Lean Options
- Last: 99mm
- Weight: 4.45 lbs
- Sizes: 24-31 (Half Sizes Included)

- Booster Strap Included

 

DFP World Cup Zero 3 Liner:
- 3 Layer Liner
- Won't Pack Out
- Double Lasted to provide the best possible fit
- Loads and rebounds for lively feel
- Heat moldable
- Biomechanically correct insole included

 

First Degree Boots is proud to introduce the Stormtrooper ST2 Ski Boot. The Stormtrooper ST2 boots are fully functional sidecountry alpine boots geared for skiers looking for high performance and comfort. With a classic 3-peice shell design, 4 heavy duty buckles, and walk mode capability, this boot will serve both in and out of bounds skiers looking for powder. The walk mode buckle enables full ankle flexing, which is crucial for walking to and from the lifts, or hiking along ridges. Plus, there are 5 forward lean options to suit any skier in any condition.  The ST2 has a stiff flex of 8, or around 120.  Also, the boot comes stock with a Booster power strap and a new DFP World Cup Zero 3 Liner which allows for a full compression and rebound feel unlike anything before. Welcome to First Degree Boots.

post #2 of 25

They're a Raichle snowboard boot mold from the 80s or 90s.  There was another brand using this mold for a while too, was it Deluxe?  I know Amplid

had a version of this a few years back.  The adjustable forward lean in the back is pretty cool, the liners are insanely nice, they are the heaviest boots

I've ever picked up, they were designed as a hard snowboard boot.  How does this design translate to modern skis?????

post #3 of 25

The shell design sounds like old news, but I found their rap on the liners intriguing. Wonder if you'll be able to buy them separately?  It'll be interesting to see what people think of them after they get some miles on them.

post #4 of 25

i saw the ads down at powder 7 the other day. The liner is one of the best out there, but the shell looks horrific. super cheap. You can really tell how there making there money

 

That being said, i really like icelantics product quality, and i would try these out. but probably not till next year or the year after when they make improvements. 

 

Keep a watch out for that Liner tho seems sick. it keeps its perfomance forever practically.

post #5 of 25
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Originally Posted by wasatchback View Post

They're a Raichle snowboard boot mold from the 80s or 90s.  There was another brand using this mold for a while too, was it Deluxe?  I know Amplid

had a version of this a few years back.  The adjustable forward lean in the back is pretty cool, the liners are insanely nice, they are the heaviest boots

I've ever picked up, they were designed as a hard snowboard boot.  How does this design translate to modern skis?????

 

In my other life I'm an alpine snowboarder.  I'm pretty sure these shells underwent a significant redesign when the branding switched from Raichle to Deeluxe.  In fact, IIRC, the Stormtroopers are made for Icelantic by Deeluxe and are based off current hard boot models.  With the steep angles most hardbooters ride, and our desire for a walk mode, lateral stiffness, and adjustable forward lean and flex, I think adapting a hard shell snowboard boot for skiing use rather than designing a new boot from the ground isn't as bad an idea as it sounds.  In fact, there's a company called UPZ that makes hard boots with replaceable sole blocks.  The blocks are available in snowboard, DIN, and AT (non-tech) configurations.  There's a few guys who have used those boots for both skiing and snowboarding and have pretty good things to say about them from a performance standpoint.

 

There's a lot of info on Deeluxe and UPZ boots over on bomberonline.com in case you want to do some research on the lineage of the Stormtroopers.

post #6 of 25
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Keep a watch out for that Liner tho seems sick. it keeps its perfomance forever practically.

And you know this how?
post #7 of 25

I just sent an e-mail to Annelise, hopefully she or someone from the source will post

post #8 of 25

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/238697-Icelantic-First-degree-(-)-sidecountry-boots?s=6aa025ce35933c91f74f09350454f402

 

 

Here is a link to a TGR thread that has some good info on the "new" Icelantic boots, which appear to be a reboot (pun intended) of a very old snowboarding boot.

post #9 of 25

Finndog, I look forward to that info, as I would seriously consider buying these boots,  As an instructor, and someone who enjoys the side country, having a boot with a true and functioning walk mode is very attractive.
 

post #10 of 25

Look familiar?

http://www.skiboardsonline.com/p/deeluxe_track225.html

 

I'm a huge fan of Icelantic skis, but I'm not entirely sold on the boots. Who knows? Maybe they'll turn out to be fantastic, but I don't want to be the first one to try them out. I'm kind of surprised we're not hearing more info about them. Looking forward to hearing some first hand accounts as we enter the 2012/2013 season.

post #11 of 25

"They're a Raichle snowboard boot mold from the 80s or 90s.  There was another brand using this mold for a while too, was it Deluxe?  I know Amplid

had a version of this a few years back.  The adjustable forward lean in the back is pretty cool, the liners are insanely nice, they are the heaviest boots

I've ever picked up, they were designed as a hard snowboard boot.  How does this design translate to modern skis?????"

 

As far as boot history goes.. it went leather, overlap and then the three piece shell.  Three piece shells are some of the newer molds out there even though they are from the 80's or 90's overlaps are from the 60's and 70's.  Overlap is great for racing if you want that style it is a perfect fit.  3 piece is designed to be skied in all day no matter the terrain, they are comfortable and versatile.

 

Deeluxe is a snowboard brand out of austria, they have tested this mold and the forward lean for a number of years.  Alpine snowboarders use it to adjust their forward lean.  In skiing you want to be able to ski aggressively in steep terrain and enjoy days with a significant other or the little ones.  The 5 degrees of forward lean allow for this, set your lean forward or stand it up or find something in between.   This boot is a great application in the side country due to walk mode offering a lot of travel.  Highlands bowl is a perfect example, the walk mode will make the short hike more enjoyable and your time less painful. This boot allows for skinning as well. When you are ready for a rippin' descent lock and load the boot!

 

As for the weight question, here is a frame of reference:

 

Atomic Tracker: 12 lbs

Black Diamond Factor 9 lbs

First Degree Stormtrooper 9 lbs

 

Feel free to respond with more questions, we appreciate the feedback.

 

 

post #12 of 25

I am trying to figure out if this boot has a replaceable toe and heel??   If it does, I'm buying a pair for this season!  IF it does not.......  that might make me not want the boot ??!!??
 

post #13 of 25

Doesn't look like it. :(

post #14 of 25

Lots of sweet features and after market upgrades like zero pack out liner and walk mode combined with three piece shell, comfort and performance in mind, not heavy, they weigh the same as the BD Factor - 9 lbs total per pair.

post #15 of 25

Bump to see if anyone has any personal experience with these boots to add? I'm intrigued by the ability to change the forward lean setting. Seems like that could be a useful capability if during the season you're switching between skis with different bindings and ramp angles.

 

Couple of newer product vids...

 

 

 

post #16 of 25

Several funny things about those boots - the liner has a  kinda funky rubbery almost-race-liner feel but doesn't grip like a real race liner.    Reminded me of old injectable liners.    The BSL is noticeably shorter than other in-size shells. 

 

Unfortunately the heel hold wasn't quite there for my foot - so no in depth reviews from me. 

post #17 of 25

I have logged 100+ days on the 130 flex boot.  12-13 season boot. 

 

I am 210lbs 6'2 and am in the boots 6-9 hours a day, 5-6 days a week.  (ski instructor) 

 

I like the boots, they are supportive, warm and great for side country and walking around the resort.

 

With this years addition of replaceable heal and toe and moveable buckles, I think the boot is a win,

 

I would caution you not to get the 130 flex boot.  I find it to be far to stiff. more like a 140 flex + race boot.

 

That said I have not skied the 110 flex boot.... that may be to soft ?

 

For a more in depth review, please pm me.

post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by skiknight View Post
 

I would caution you not to get the 130 flex boot.  I find it to be far to stiff. more like a 140 flex + race boot.

 

That said I have not skied the 110 flex boot.... that may be to soft ?

 

 

Anyone know if it is possible to switch tongues between models to soften or stiffen the flex like on the old  Flexons and Kryptons?

post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

 

Unfortunately the heel hold wasn't quite there for my foot - so no in depth reviews from me. 

 

So when considering an alpine boot you look for heel hold "out of the box"? Isn't that something that could be improved with padding added to the liner to tighten things up in certain areas as desired?

 

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Originally Posted by skiknight View Post
 

I have logged 100+ days on the 130 flex boot.  12-13 season boot. 

 

Thx for sharing that feedback. Curious if you found the adjustable forward lean capability useful? If so, how have you used it? Changing for different skiing conditions? Changing for different binding setups?

post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

 

Unfortunately the heel hold wasn't quite there for my foot - so no in depth reviews from me. 

 

So when considering an alpine boot you look for heel hold "out of the box"? Isn't that something that could be improved with padding added to the liner to tighten things up in certain areas as desired?

 

I wasn't looking for a race fit, but both the L-pad thing above the ankle and the instep pad thing are a bit kludgey to my mind.  Particularly in a boot where one of the primary selling points is a liner that doesn't pack out very fast.       So, yes, in this instance I was looking for heel fit.  

post #21 of 25

jc-ski  ,   I find myself adjusting to a more aggressive forward lean if I know I am going to repeatedly ski some of our steepest terrain, aggressively.  Otherwise I either leave the boot in walk mode for teaching beginners, or lock it at position 3 out of 5, which is where I am most comfortable.

post #22 of 25

Skinight, again, thx for sharing. Seems like having the option to adjust would be a good thing if it didn't undermine the stability/flex of the boot. Doesn't sound like you're having any issues of that nature.

 

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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post
 

I wasn't looking for a race fit, but both the L-pad thing above the ankle and the instep pad thing are a bit kludgey to my mind.  Particularly in a boot where one of the primary selling points is a liner that doesn't pack out very fast.       So, yes, in this instance I was looking for heel fit.  

 

I have a wide forefoot and narrow heel, so heel fit (and how to get/keep it) is of particular interest to me. My current boots over time have had a bunch of shell modifications and alignment tweaks done - they've fit snugly but have been comfortable enough to ski in all day/days in a row. But they have a lot of miles on em now, and the liners are packing out a bit, so I'm talking to different boot fitters and thinking about maybe starting from scratch with some new boots.

 

I find these First Degree boots interesting, and would really like to hear more if there are others out there that have skied in them.

post #23 of 25

Heal fit on the first degree boot is great for me.   I have a normal heal and a M - W fore foot..... requiring a 100 - 102 last.

 

In my experience, (even in walk mode) my heal does not lift.   Compared to Technica Dragons, race fit.... (my first degree boots are one size above a race fit)  where I had to over tighten the boot to prevent heal lift when skiing aggressively.

post #24 of 25

I hate bumping old threads, but curious if there are any updates from real use on these boots?

post #25 of 25

I think the boots died a natural death.  

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