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Lords of skiing, need advice on next set of ski's...

Poll Results: Which ski is for me?

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 14% of voters (1)
    Atomic Coax
  • 0% of voters (0)
    Salomon Shogun
  • 57% of voters (4)
    Blizzard Bonafides
  • 0% of voters (0)
    Head Inferno 104
  • 0% of voters (0)
    Rossi Experience 98
  • 28% of voters (2)
    Other?
7 Total Votes  
post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 

Me: aging expert skier (41yo), 5'10", 165#

Days: 5 east/8 west (sucks to live in Ohio!)

Terrain:

East - moguls, groomers & trees

West - off-piste powder, trees and some moguls

Like the occasional high speed groomer, but would rather be a hero in the woods/bumps/powder fields

 

Looking for: one ski quiver, 98-105width underfoot, which is agile in the trees and quick enough in the bumps, need to be decent enough to handle the crap (crud & ice) which are a blast to ski, which for me means I work them, they don't work me.

 

Skied:

Atomic Coax 182 and thought it did great pretty much everywhere, but never got it in the deep stuff (as there wasn't any). Could have been a little more nimble in the trees, but great once on edge.

K2 Aftershock 17?, liked, but did not love

 

Current Ski:

Beat up and played out pair of Rossi Bandit 78's...got them on a deal, and let me tell you I have beat the core to hell on eastern ice moguls and they can't even come close to the two ski's above (yes, I know, not in the same class...lack of $ = buy ski's on sale = ugghhh). So really need to upgrade.

 

Thinking about:

Atomic Coax

Salomon Shogun

Blizzard Bonafides

 

Also looked at:

Head Inferno 104

Rossi Experience 98

 

Thoughts?

post #2 of 16

Bonafide. A damn fine and versatile ski. Sorry to be singing the praises of it all the time but at this point is is very well the most versatile ski out there. 

post #3 of 16

Moment Belafonte. Or Bonafide

post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 

Philbug,

 

Thnaks for the quick reply.  Know anywhere I could get a pair of last year Bones on the cheap?  Assuming I can get the Coax, Inferno's or Shoguns new for $300 less than the Bones, are these suitable replacements, or are the Bones really worth the extra $$?  If suitable, is one better than the others?

 

Thoughts?

post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 

Sorry on the spelling error on the name Philpug.

post #6 of 16

Everything you want to ski in the west I do on Nordica Steadfast and if I went to the midwest to ski I would still use it.  If you really want 98mm underfoot, Nordica Hell and Back is a wider version.  If you prefer to have metal in your skis, the Enforcer is basically the same as the H & B but with two layers of Titanol.  Try them if you can.  Until I demoed the Steadfast last season I thought I wanted a pair of Line Prophet 90s, but after the trying the Steadfast it was an easy choice.  BTW, I'm 68, 150# and ski pretty hard; primarily trees, chutes and bumps, wherever I can find powder.

post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by Brice Westring View Post

Philbug,

 

Thnaks for the quick reply.  Know anywhere I could get a pair of last year Bones on the cheap?  Assuming I can get the Coax, Inferno's or Shoguns new for $300 less than the Bones, are these suitable replacements, or are the Bones really worth the extra $$?  If suitable, is one better than the others?

 

Thoughts?

 

Bonafides were one of the first skis to sell out last season and are really tough to come by on the cheap. Are the Bones worth $300.00 more than the other two skis you are talking about? Tough to say, but I WILL say that Start Haus has Nordica Enforcers, a very viable alternative for $299 and I will say that the Bones are NOT worth $400.00 more than them and I like them better than the other skis you listed. 

post #8 of 16

I'd also go with the Enforcers at that price.

post #9 of 16

'12 Volkl Mantra. 98 under foot, rocker tip for better float, stiffer than most for great control & crud-bashing, best grip on ice & hard stuff this side of super-glue. It isn't a ski for a novice, it's demanding & responsive... but it pays dividends on & off piste like no other ski can (on both). It's a "racetiger" for the trees yet holds a GS+ line with ease. It makes you a better skier by demanding that you sit in "the spot" (toes) when on the hard stuff but lets you sit back a bit & have fun in the deep stuff (or not so deep). I think a lot of people don't like the Mantra because before they bought it and thought it would be like a pair of Nordicas or Dynastars which let you relax & look good... let it be known, if you really relax on these... you'll look like a fool, but if you stay on them & tell 'em what to do... you won't just look good, you'll be good.

post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 

Philpug,

 

Thanks for this reco. How do you think of the Enforcers vs. Coax?  More versatile across the gammut of ski conditions?  More nimble in the bumps and trees?  Also Enforcers vs. Hell n Back?

 

Appreciate the continued dialogue, much appreciated!

post #11 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brice Westring View Post

Philpug,

 

Thanks for this reco. How do you think of the Enforcers vs. Coax?  More versatile across the gammut of ski conditions?  More nimble in the bumps and trees?  Also Enforcers vs. Hell n Back?

 

Appreciate the continued dialogue, much appreciated!

Coax is much softer. The Enforcer (and Helen Bach) are both better in soft snow than the Coax is on hard snow. All the skis you are discussing are good options and will perform well in a multitude of conditions. None are really bad choices, just some slight compromises with any of them. 

post #12 of 16

For a 98, the Fischer Watea 98 or Big Stix 98 (the 2013 verson) is the best bump ski I've tried.  Soft snow oriented, very quick and nimble and should be great in the trees.  OK on hard pack but not really its forte'.  Lighter skiers seem to have preferred it more than heavier skiers. 

 

That said, for $299 the Enforcer makes a lot of sense. 

post #13 of 16

If I needed a 98, I'd be all over those Enforcers.  Put some Head/Tyrolia railflex bindings on them and you've got a superb setup.

post #14 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

If I needed a 98, I'd be all over those Enforcers.  Put some Head/Tyrolia railflex bindings on them and you've got a superb setup.

Why the rail flex bindings in particular, if I may ask? I ordered a pair of Enforcers and I'm planning to put atomic ffg 12's on them - bad idea?
post #15 of 16

Especially on skis that I will use mostly off piste, I prefer bindings that have some fore/aft adjustment.  The railflex bindings have 3cm of travel and are less expensive than Marker Schizo bindings(6cm of travel).  I have Marker  Schizo Griffins on my Shamans and rental Dynastar bindings on my Steadfasts.  The Dynastars can be adjusted but so far I haven't found a need.  I ski the Shamans 1cm back.  I just bought some Head RFD 14 bindiings to mount on a pair of Elan Apex skis that I got for my son.  They'll be mounted 1.5cm behind BC so he can adjust them to be at BC but most likely he will ski them 1-1.5cm behind.  The advantage is that you can experiment with your boot placement to find what works best for you.  Boot Center is not necessarily the optimal placement for every person.

post #16 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

If I needed a 98, I'd be all over those Enforcers.  Put some Head/Tyrolia railflex bindings on them and you've got a superb setup.

 

I used to have the Railflex 14's on most of my skis, but found last year how heavy they are compared to the Griffon demo's that I've been scooping up them up instead.

 

I got a second pair of BMX108's, after getting the first pair with Griffon demos coming from a heli operation in Alberta. I had the Railflex mounted, as soon as I picked them up, I wondered what was going on, then remembered the different bindings.

 

The many sets of Railflex did work great on all the skis they were mounted, and for sure adjusting both for bsl and ski mount is stupid easy. Levelnine.com always carries then really cheap too.

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