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Binders for my new Bonafides?

post #1 of 27
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Hi all. Looking for binding recommendations for my new 187 Bones. I'm looking strongly at the Marker Jester Schizos (my brother has them and likes quite a bit), but wanted to know if there are others out there that folks recommend. Looking for a binding that goes up to a din of 13-14 as I usually ride around 10-12 depending on the conditions and would prefer not to have them pegged at the very top of the range. Skiing about 30% hardpack, 40% crud/chop off piste, and 30% powder.

 

Thoughts?

post #2 of 27

I have last years Bonafides with look pivot bindings that I'm really happy with. I ski mostly at Vail and I'm about 6' 2" and 230 lbs and ski very physically. 

post #3 of 27
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Pivot 14s I assume? Or the 18s? And which brake width? the XXL?

post #4 of 27

The 14"s that I got from Sierra Jim at Start Haus. I only ski with them set on 9 as when it's time to come out of my stuff I want out.

post #5 of 27
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Pivot 14s I assume? Or the 18s? And which brake width? the XXL?

I am running the wides on my Bonafides. 

post #6 of 27

Personally i'm not a fan of Schizo's, I don't really see a reason to spend that extra money on it.  Do yourself a favor, ask your brother how often he moves his binding.  I doubt he'll say often, you just don't move it when you're dialed in...Maybe park skiers. I would go for a STH14, Pivot/FKS 14/0, Jesters/Griffon, even a PX14.  There are so many bindings out there.

post #7 of 27

I ran a Pivot 14 on my first pair and a Sollie STH 16 on my current ones. I like both a lot.

 

SJ

post #8 of 27
Thread Starter 

The Wides are 95mm, right? Did you have to bend the brakes to make them work with the Bone's 98 width? Or do they work stock?

post #9 of 27
Thread Starter 

Not sure how often he moves them. The main reason I was looking at the Schizo is that they are $278 for last years model on a couple websites out there right now. I can get pro-deals on the Looks , Rossis and Salomons so those are always options too -- about $225-250. Cost isn't too much of an issue as long as they're under $300 -- just looking for a great binding -- any other reason not to go with the Schizo? Weight? Dependability?

 

SierraJim, do you have the N steels or the Drivers? And if I'm riding around DIN 10-12 would I go with the STH12, 14 or 16 and do the 14s come in the normal color or only that god-awful blue?  

 

Thanks for the input!


Edited by gdhyde - 9/30/12 at 2:31am
post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by huhh View Post

Personally i'm not a fan of Schizo's, I don't really see a reason to spend that extra money on it.  Do yourself a favor, ask your brother how often he moves his binding.  I doubt he'll say often, you just don't move it when you're dialed in...Maybe park skiers. I would go for a STH14, Pivot/FKS 14/0, Jesters/Griffon, even a PX14.  There are so many bindings out there.


I'm hoping to get the Schizos, or demo bindings, on my next ski. Even if you don't move them around a lot after you get them dialed in, I think the important fact is that you have the opportunity to dial them in at all.

post #11 of 27

i had mine mounted right on the line and they a perfect for me fwiw. On my other boards i have schitzos and they helped as i needed to be forward a few mms
 

post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by gdhyde View Post

Not sure how often he moves them. The main reason I was looking at the Schizo is that they are $278 for last years model on a couple websites out there right now. I can get pro-deals on the Looks , Rossis and Salomons so those are always options too -- about $225-250. Cost isn't too much of an issue as long as they're under $300 -- just looking for a great binding -- any other reason not to go with the Schizo? Weight? Dependability?

 

SierraJim, do you have the N steels or the Drivers? And if I'm riding around DIN 10-12 would I go with the STH12, 14 or 16 and do the 14s come in the normal color or only that god-awful blue?  

 

Thanks for the input!

 

I primarily use either the 14 driver or the 16 driver. No need for may tastes for the steels (they're costly even for a shop). You would not want to go with the std. STH 12 O/S. The STH 12 Driver would be marginally OK but you're topping out the scale. Step up to at least the 14. The 14's only come in the blue this year but the 16 is a decent color.

 

SJ

post #13 of 27
Thread Starter 

So it's down to the...

 

Jester @ $269

Jester Schizo @ $279

STH16 @ $249

Look Pivot/FKS @ $225

 

Jim, I bought my boots from you a few years back and still loving them -- Nordica Speedmachine 14s. Fit like a glove; almost as comfortable as a my sneakers! May need to pay you another visit next year for a refresh. :-) Any additional thoughts you have on those options/prices above and the pros/cons of a movable binding like the Schizo would be much appreciated.

 

Thanks again!

post #14 of 27

^^^^^As I mentioned, I'm primarily a Look/Sollie guy when I have the choice and I'd choose a Tyrolia over a Marker as well but that's just me. The Schitzo may have some value for you if you want that feature. If you have no interest in the feature, then I'd pass on that one.

 

SJ

post #15 of 27
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Thanks. Didn't think about Tyrolia for some reason -- will have to find out if I can get a pro deal on those as well. Guessing the Peak 15 would be the equivalent in that brand? So

 

STH14/16 > Look Pivot 14 > Tyrolia

 

And is the Atomic FFG line truly the same as the Sollie STH line?

 

Finally, in the Look Pivot, which brake width do I need? The Wide or the XL? The STH? 115 or 100?

 

Thanks again!


Edited by gdhyde - 9/30/12 at 10:13pm
post #16 of 27
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Thanks. Didn't think about Tyrolia for some reason -- will have to find out if I can get a pro deal on those as well. Guessing the Peak 15 would be the equivalent in that brand? So

 

STH14/16 > Look Pivot 14 > Tyrolia

 

And is the Atomic FFG line truly the same as the Sollie STH line?

 

Finally, in the Look Pivot, which brake width do I need? The Wide or the XL? The STH? 115 or 100?

 

Thanks again!

 

Answered above: Look Pivot's, WIDE. Salomon Sth 100mm

 

Atomic FFG ARE the same as the Salomons.

 

Pivot 14 @ $225 >Sth16 @ $249 > Markers @ $269, in performance AND price. But really splitting hairs especially when it comes to the Pivot and Sth. 

post #17 of 27

I only skied with Look bindings on one trip as a teen c.1980 (Look Nevada series), and I seem to recall them being difficult to reattach while on the slope. Was that just a youthful misimpression, or are they truly more tricky than other bindings in that respect?

post #18 of 27
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I only skied with Look bindings on one trip as a teen c.1980 (Look Nevada series), and I seem to recall them being difficult to reattach while on the slope. Was that just a youthful misimpression, or are they truly more tricky than other bindings in that respect?

My first Look bindings were c. 1977 N77, i found them and other "pivot" types to follow easier to get into after a on piste release then other bindings.

post #19 of 27
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My first Look bindings were c. 1977 N77, i found them and other "pivot" types to follow easier to get into after a on piste release then other bindings.


OK, thanks for the info.

post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by jeff2010 View Post

I only skied with Look bindings on one trip as a teen c.1980 (Look Nevada series), and I seem to recall them being difficult to reattach while on the slope. Was that just a youthful misimpression, or are they truly more tricky than other bindings in that respect?

You are referring to a binding that is 30+ years old and likely pre DIN, so its safe to say that today's Looks are vastly different in function and performance.

post #21 of 27
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You are referring to a binding that is 30+ years old and likely pre DIN, so its safe to say that today's Looks are vastly different in function and performance.

Not as different as your would expect. 

post #22 of 27
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You are referring to a binding that is 30+ years old and likely pre DIN, so its safe to say that today's Looks are vastly different in function and performance.


I'm pretty sure there were DIN settings on bindings even back in the stone age when I was a kid. The exception may have been those horrible (IMHO) plate bindings.

post #23 of 27
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I'm pretty sure there were DIN settings on bindings even back in the stone age when I was a kid. The exception may have been those horrible (IMHO) plate bindings.

DIN started in the late 70's. IIRC, the first DIN Turntables were the N77's

post #24 of 27
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Not as different as your would expect. 

You are right and I should know better as the ski industry is one that likes change in small increments and likes to reinvent itself.

 

Right now I'm waiting for the reintroduction of segmented edges. You know, for those uber fat skis for going from off-piste to groomer that take so long to go edge to edge really need some bite when buddy finally does get on edge.

post #25 of 27
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You are right and I should know better as the ski industry is one that likes change in small increments and likes to reinvent itself.

 

Right now I'm waiting for the reintroduction of segmented edges. You know, for those uber fat skis for going from off-piste to groomer that take so long to go edge to edge really need some bite when buddy finally does get on edge.


I hope not!

Had "cracked" edges/Volkl Weltcup Targa R, ski shop said it allowed the ski to be flexed by featherweights like me. Downside was the risk of a rock taking out a individual segment which i never experienced. Did however have the flexed ski's cracked edge leave shark bite tears in the cuff of my ski pants from snagging the fabric in a wipe out. After that i hated the concept!

post #26 of 27
Pivots or Tyrolia/Head (Mojo or Peak 15s). Dawgcatching's shop just gave me a good deal on some Head bindings.
post #27 of 27

stick with a Griff' or Jester- FKS, Pivot  They are just better. FKS/ Piv's are my 1st choice. 

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