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post #31 of 55

The Kabookie is a great choice and the 173cm length will be your best bet.

post #32 of 55
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Originally Posted by CM View Post

I'm thinking of mounting a Kabookie with Dynafits and having it as my 'one ski quiver' for a Chamonix trip in March - the main objectives of this trip will be ski touring and steeps. If it really really dumps I will have access to something bigger.
Comments above about its performance on firm snow have me wondering how it will perform on seriously steep stuff?
Also I'm 5'7" and 180lb, I'm thinking about the 173cm as I have fairly short legs & longer-tailed twintips are an absolute chore while doing kick turns, but am I likely to be overpowering the 173?

If you're set on the 173 length I would go Bonafide. At your weight you would probably overpower the Kabookie in the shorter size. I would say Kabookie in the 180 would be fine. Based on the fact that you're skiing Steeps at Cham on Dynafits you probably don't suck at skiing. They aten't twin tips either, flat tails.

Weight difference between Bonafide and Kabookie in the 180 is 3/4 pound per pair.
post #33 of 55

Well, I ended up ordering the Bonafides. Couldn't find them locally, Start Haus is out, etc etc.... There is a pair in the UK, and another in VT I think.... So don't delay ... 

post #34 of 55
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Well, I ended up ordering the Bonafides. Couldn't find them locally, Start Haus is out, etc etc.... There is a pair in the UK, and another in VT I think.... So don't delay ... 


Shameless plug: we have tons!

post #35 of 55
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Originally Posted by CM View Post

I'm thinking of mounting a Kabookie with Dynafits and having it as my 'one ski quiver' for a Chamonix trip in March - the main objectives of this trip will be ski touring and steeps. If it really really dumps I will have access to something bigger.
Comments above about its performance on firm snow have me wondering how it will perform on seriously steep stuff?
Also I'm 5'7" and 180lb, I'm thinking about the 173cm as I have fairly short legs & longer-tailed twintips are an absolute chore while doing kick turns, but am I likely to be overpowering the 173?


The Kabookie is a great ski, I am lighter than you though.  Hasn't let me down, I would rather be on it in tight spaces over the Bonafide, no question. I was skiing some tight trees on it last week at (for me) scary speeds. I wouldn't have felt comfortable on the Bonafide at those speeds in the trees; it is too stiff and unforgiving if/when I make a mistake. On the Kabookie, I can just pull my feet back hard and bend up the tip in a hurry, get re-centered and re-direct the ski to where it needs to go.  I have trouble with that on the Bonafide, or any stiff ski for that matter. I wouldn't want to try that on my BMX108's in 188cm either. 

 

If it was wide open, probably the Bonafide, it is so much happier in GS arcs than in tight trees.  I haven't skied at Chamonix, but it doesn't seem like there are a lot of tight trees there!  Wiht that said, the Kabookie is every bit as stable as the Bonafide at speed in big arcs; the Bonafide is just more quiet.  I don't think you are giving up any performance unless you are a seriously big guy, and at your weight, you may be borderline.

post #36 of 55
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post

Well, I ended up ordering the Bonafides. Couldn't find them locally, Start Haus is out, etc etc.... There is a pair in the UK, and another in VT I think.... So don't delay ... 

I sold The Last Pair of Bonafides -180cm- today at the on mountain demo ski shop where I work part time. The guy came in about an hour before the lifts closed to buy Volkl Mantras that he had demoed the day before.

 

Only hours earlier we had been forced to pull our Mantras and Kendos off the retail floor because the other two ski shops on the mountain are big Volkl dealers and I guess had done some complaining as we are only supposed to use our Volkls as rentals.

 

So I tell the guy: "I guess you will just have to go across the street to buy your Mantras" and he says I don't want to because your price is better". I then tell buddy he better buy The Last Pair of Bonafides and I paraphrase segbrown's quote above. I also tell him that we have another guy interested in The Last Bonafide (true) and he has just enough time to make a few runs on the demo skis before the lifts close and we will hold the new ones until he gets back.

 

As a side note, since our shop is now forced to put a bunch of Volkl Mantras and Kendos into the rental fleet, after some rentals they will end up being sold as slightly used skis at the end of the season for an even lower asking price compared to what the across the street Volkl dealers are asking for the new ones.

 

I like to tell my boss that working at the shop is not really a job for me, its a hobby.biggrin.gif

post #37 of 55
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Shameless plug: we have tons!

173s? I thought I checked your site....
post #38 of 55
Can anyone compare the Kabookie to the Nordica Hell and Back and/or the Gotama?
post #39 of 55

Anyone know where I can Demo the Kabookie? I live 15 minutes from Snowbird/Alta at the mouth of L. Cottonwood Canyon (SLC, Ut. area).

 

Thanks,

A

post #40 of 55
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post


173s? I thought I checked your site....


Yes, 173's are still in stock. Sold the last pair of 180's yesterday though.

post #41 of 55
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Originally Posted by B2SKI View Post

Can anyone compare the Kabookie to the Nordica Hell and Back and/or the Gotama?


Can't really compare to the Gotama (I hated that ski, but it was the model from 2011) but compared to the Hell n' Back, I much prefer the Kabookie.  As a lighter skier, I found the Hell n' Back to have a pretty unforgiving tail. The Kabookie is much softer, and I can work the tail and tip in trees much better. It also has better damping than the Hell n' Back. 

 

Bigger skiers would likely have the opposite opinion.

post #42 of 55
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post


Yes, 173's are still in stock. Sold the last pair of 180's yesterday though.

Your site didn't reflect that for a while (it does now) ... sorry, I should have emailed to check.

post #43 of 55
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post


Can't really compare to the Gotama (I hated that ski, but it was the model from 2011) but compared to the Hell n' Back, I much prefer the Kabookie.  As a lighter skier, I found the Hell n' Back to have a pretty unforgiving tail. The Kabookie is much softer, and I can work the tail and tip in trees much better. It also has better damping than the Hell n' Back. 

Bigger skiers would likely have the opposite opinion.

Thanks so much for your reply dawgcatching. When you say "The Kabookie is much softer" do you mean the overall flex is much softer or just the tail is softer than the Hell n' Back.
I demoed a Bushwaker (180cm) and liked it but I am looking for a little more width as a daily driver.
I demoed and liked the Bonafide (180cm) a lot. However, I must admit by the end of the day (groomers, trees, steeps and moguls) I felt worked over.

I am 5'9", 150-155 lbs. I ski about 50 days a year and mostly at Squaw. I would consider myself an advanced but not expert skier.

I am currently looking to replace my daily drivers, a 177 Blizzard The Ones. I love how quick they are in the trees and how easy they are in the moguls but I find they do have a speed limit and can get knocked around in the crud. I am looking for something more damp, more edge hold but not as stiff as the Bonafides. I usually stay away from skis with metal b/c of their weight or stiffness. I can't find anywhere to demo the Kabookie so I am nervous pulling the trigger on an untested ski.

I appreciate how detailed you are when reviewing a skis characteristics. What did you not like about the Gotama and do you think I am on the right track looking at the Kabookie?

Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
post #44 of 55
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Originally Posted by wasatchback View Post

If you're set on the 173 length I would go Bonafide. At your weight you would probably overpower the Kabookie in the shorter size. I would say Kabookie in the 180 would be fine. Based on the fact that you're skiing Steeps at Cham on Dynafits you probably don't suck at skiing. They aten't twin tips either, flat tails.
Weight difference between Bonafide and Kabookie in the 180 is 3/4 pound per pair.

Thanks for that.

Guess I need to decide on the length & the model choice will flow on from that.

My first touring ski was a 183cm gold buddha Gotama - mainly because it was what I had lying around and couldn't spend any more given the outlay on dynafits, boots, skins etc.

I'm not tall, and my legs are quite short which is a pain as that ski was a perfect length for what I want to do on the downhill, but kick turns are such a PITA with the length of tail & also being a twintip. If it's icy it's really quite precarious. I guess what I don't know is whether the flat tail is a little better and I can deal with a few more cm.

The objective I'm looking for in this ski is a relatively lightweight tourer to do multi-day stuff in the Alps & something that will double as a 'mid-fat' to ski whatever comes up during a Chamonix trip - this year will be in March - this is the kind of stuff I tend to get up to over there: http://aussieskier.com/tag/steep

(I should add that whatever I get will be mounted with inserts and I'm thinking of taking over a Bodacious as well)
post #45 of 55

Hey guys, I'm an expert snowboarder, getting interested in Skiing, and am looking for a true all mountain ski. How would the Kabookie's be against the Bone's for true all mountain? I like the idea of a softer ski in case I decide to jump in the park, but want to ride knee deep too.

post #46 of 55
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Originally Posted by LitlChuck View Post

Hey guys, I'm an expert snowboarder, getting interested in Skiing, and am looking for a true all mountain ski. How would the Kabookie's be against the Bone's for true all mountain? I like the idea of a softer ski in case I decide to jump in the park, but want to ride knee deep too.

Depends on how you ski, where you ski, how big you are.  Bonafide, even for light weight guys like me, is great in big turns in crud and open areas.  Where it falls behind the Kabookie is in tight spaces: zipper-line bumps, tight trees, fall-line crud. I can work my feet fore/aft on the Kabookie much easier than the Bonafide, and can ski faster and more confident as a result.  The Bonafide is so stiff, I have trouble bending it when I need to (like bumps and trees).  Plus, the Kabookie is not really any less stable on the snow at speed than the Bonafide, so I am not really giving up anything, except for the obvious hard snow hold, due to lack of metal. Not that I care about hard snow on this ski: if it is firm out or I am skiing groomers, I won't be skiing 98mm skis anyway.  Got a nice set of MX78's for firm snow, Elan 888's for soft bumps and skied out trees.  

 

If you are a big guy skiing dynamically, none of that applies, as you will be able to flex the tip much easier than I can.  I would say the Kabookie probably feels 15% softer than the Bonafide, and I probably weigh 15% less than the average skier, so it works out that the stiffer ski is for heavier guys.

 

Also, you are not skiing dynamically, and looking for a big platform to stand on and skid-redirect (which is how nearly everyone skis, I would say well over 99%) then it would work well.  A lot of "cruiser" type advanced skiers around here love that ski precisely because it slides well, is not hooky, and responds well to up-unweighting/light stemming across the fall line into the next turn.   There is a huge stout platform to stand on in soft snow.   The Kabookie doesn't feel like that: it is lighter, more responsive, and seems to ask for more precision skiing, efficient and dynamic movements.  

post #47 of 55

Well, I still never skied the Kabookie (so why am I in this thread?), but I did get 4 days on the Bonafide last week, and I skied the same length Samba during the afternoon of the third day, and  I made the right choice buying the Bonafide over the Samba.

 

 Out of curiosity, if someone has skied all three skis, does the Kabookie ski closer to Samba or Bone? 

post #48 of 55
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post

Well, I still never skied the Kabookie (so why am I in this thread?), but I did get 4 days on the Bonafide last week, and I skied the same length Samba during the afternoon of the third day, and  I made the right choice buying the Bonafide over the Samba.

 

 Out of curiosity, if someone has skied all three skis, does the Kabookie ski closer to Samba or Bone? 

The Kabookie skis more like the Bonafide, same flex just a bit lighter. 

post #49 of 55
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post

Depends on how you ski, where you ski, how big you are.  Bonafide, even for light weight guys like me, is great in big turns in crud and open areas.  Where it falls behind the Kabookie is in tight spaces: zipper-line bumps, tight trees, fall-line crud. I can work my feet fore/aft on the Kabookie much easier than the Bonafide, and can ski faster and more confident as a result.  The Bonafide is so stiff, I have trouble bending it when I need to (like bumps and trees).  Plus, the Kabookie is not really any less stable on the snow at speed than the Bonafide, so I am not really giving up anything, except for the obvious hard snow hold, due to lack of metal. Not that I care about hard snow on this ski: if it is firm out or I am skiing groomers, I won't be skiing 98mm skis anyway.  Got a nice set of MX78's for firm snow, Elan 888's for soft bumps and skied out trees.  

 

If you are a big guy skiing dynamically, none of that applies, as you will be able to flex the tip much easier than I can.  I would say the Kabookie probably feels 15% softer than the Bonafide, and I probably weigh 15% less than the average skier, so it works out that the stiffer ski is for heavier guys.

 

Also, you are not skiing dynamically, and looking for a big platform to stand on and skid-redirect (which is how nearly everyone skis, I would say well over 99%) then it would work well.  A lot of "cruiser" type advanced skiers around here love that ski precisely because it slides well, is not hooky, and responds well to up-unweighting/light stemming across the fall line into the next turn.   There is a huge stout platform to stand on in soft snow.   The Kabookie doesn't feel like that: it is lighter, more responsive, and seems to ask for more precision skiing, efficient and dynamic movements.  

 

While I agree with you in theory, in practice (at least where I ski) it's often difficult to avoid hard snow even if you are skiing bumps and soft trees elsewhere in the day. I'm willing to sacrifice a little ease in the bumps for more security on the scraped-off return to the bottom of the hill. Which is where it comes down to personal preference, of course -- some people would feel just the opposite. Heck, I just skied everything from foot-deep untracked to bulletproof ice on Sunday -- I wouldn't say the Bonafide was the perfect choice for either of those conditions, obviously, but it gave up little compared to most skis. 

post #50 of 55
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

The Kabookie skis more like the Bonafide, same flex just a bit lighter. 

Oh, you again, I already know what you think. ;-)   I didn't realize you had skied Samba, though.

post #51 of 55
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post

Well, I still never skied the Kabookie (so why am I in this thread?), but I did get 4 days on the Bonafide last week, and I skied the same length Samba during the afternoon of the third day, and  I made the right choice buying the Bonafide over the Samba.

 

 Out of curiosity, if someone has skied all three skis, does the Kabookie ski closer to Samba or Bone? 

I'm pretty sure the Kabookie and Samba are the same ski with girly graphics and shorter lengths for the ladies Samba.

 

I skied the Samba yesterday (I own a 180cm Bonafide) and found that it really wasn't too soft, so it should appeal to anyone who doesn't like metal skis.  At 166cm length though, the Samba was way too short for me especially since the snowpack was quite firm yesterday.

post #52 of 55

Hi I'm curious how the Blizzard Bonafide and Kabookie ski vs. the Black Diamond Verdict.  I'm looking for something 100 under foot that can use 70% resort/30% Backcountry.  I'm a slalom guy at heart but have a second ski for bumps, something around 100 under foot seems great with good edge control if hit some ice corn and still some flex if wanted to do a bump run here and there same day doing side country. My understanding is the Verdict has an early rise and almost full camber so curious how compare to Kabookie and Bonafide. Thanks Andy!

post #53 of 55
I skied my Kabookies today in dust on crust conditions, they floated over the space bumps, and held on the hardpack in Western N.Y. I mounted them a centimeter forward and I'am very happy with them.
post #54 of 55
Did you really notice a weight difference on your feet between the two while riding on the chairs? What about tossing it around in moguls or just trying to be more playful with them? I don't think the bonafide feels heavy on groomers at all, just riding our very long and slow chairs. And then when then snow gets all tracked up and I'm trying to toss it around and get some pop out of it. Dying to try a Kabookie! I'm 30+ lbs lighter than you.
post #55 of 55
Don't underestimate a line sick day 95 either,I have spent a ton of time on one and it is no wimpy ski by any means. It may have a softer shovel than the others but it doesn't ski like it. And the rest of the ski will bite into any firm icy groomer I've thrown at it. I know people may say it doesn't belong in the same category as Mantra, bonafide, hell and back, kabookie but they haven't spent enough time on one to really get to know it.
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