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post #31 of 59

I am 48 and live in Alpine Meadows.  I probably ski faster than you, but I am still old school, as I like to carve instead of slarve.  I bought a used pair of S7's last year (not sure what year but all black).  They were pretty hammered, so they might be a little skied out, but I would say that they are super easy in powder.  I picked these skis because I wanted a ski that was turnier, as I still like to carve turns through the trees or runs like chute 75.  I carry a lot of speed, as I make very clean turns, but I am not into the new school charging style.  The runs in Alpine are a little short to ski that way and not feel like you wasted your run, since you only got 3 turns and your run lasted all of 20 seconds.

 

If you like turny in powder the S7 is great.  If you are into big sweeping turns, there are better skis for you.

 

I also want to say that I will only take the S7's out in 20" or more of snow.  In 12" they just don't deliver the kind of precision or level of performance that I want.

post #32 of 59

everyone skis faster than me

post #33 of 59

Unless u need to keep it to yourself for a few more days  smile.gif  ,  what kind of deal are you finding for the s7 ?

 

Thank you!!

Brett

post #34 of 59

I know there's a pair of 195 cm Supers at porterstahoe.com for $480.

post #35 of 59
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I know there's a pair of 195 cm Supers at porterstahoe.com for $480.

 

OK let'seenow...........Super 7 @ $480 vs Patron or Unleashed @ $299. Hmmmm......Nordica = consensus better ski for way less money. Boyoboy that's a toughie.

 

 

SJ

post #36 of 59

Do you sell the s7?  I'd love to find last year's model.

 

Thanks!

Brett

post #37 of 59

Ya at 299$ get that Nordica Unleashed. Nordica is highly UNDERRATED and the Patron or Unleashed will stack up with the best fat-allmountain skis. Nordicas are fast and charger. 

 

Im even thinkin about it. I have a 100mm, a 117, and a 122. There is a big gap that the 113 unleasheds could fill. Plus there touring skis too. 

post #38 of 59
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Do you sell the s7?  I'd love to find last year's model.

 

Thanks!

Brett

 

Of course I sell the S7 along with roughly 15 other very nice powderish skis. However, last years were gone ummmmmm......last year. The reason that I have the Nordicas is b/c of a special buy. No such buy was available on last years S7. Sorry aboudat.

 

SJ

post #39 of 59
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Originally Posted by Dave86 View Post

If you know where to look online, then right now there are some great deals on the following skis:

 

2012 Rossignol S7 (188cm)

2012 Nordica Unleashed Hell (185cm)

2012 Salomon Rocker 2 (184cm)

 

I’m interested in buying one of them as a dedicated powder ski.  Normally I like to demo first before buying, but these skis will probably be sold out before the first snow fall.  Any opinions on these skis from posters who have actually skied them would be appreciated.

 

About me: 5’9.5” 180# male age 49 upper advanced skier.  Ski 40 to 50 days per season (includes 25 days teaching).  Ski everything at average speeds except ice & the steepest double blacks.

 

I ski in the Pacific Northwest (Crystal & Mt Hood).  Think “Cascade Concrete”, which is about the same as “Sierra Cement”.

 

As a reference, I have demoed more than once the Rossi S3 @ 178cm.  It was stupid easy to ski in boot deep to knee deep powder.  I enjoyed the S3’s level of dampness / liveliness.  However, the S3 can’t handle the crud we have in the PNW, and I can only guess how it would do on a heli-ski trip.

 

Here are my priorities for the ski, with the highest priority listed first:

 

  1. Ski resort powder (10 to 18 inches)
  2. Heli-ski trip
  3. Cut up resort powder
  4. Pacific Northwest crud

 

If none of these skis can handle Pacific Northwest crud, then that’s okay.  But if one ski can, then I might lean towards that ski.

 

Thanks for the help.

 

Dave

OP...Scratch what i have been saying. After further research I can confidently say to go with the Nordica. I myself just picked up a pair of 193 Patron's (same as unleashed). Before i buy anything i read as many gear reviews as i can find. literally 2 hours of research. This is a reall GREAT ski.

 

What suprised me, I had no idea it fits in with the 5 dimensional skis like bent chetler, bibby pro, JJ, and others. I heard it skis like a allmountain powder lovechild.

post #40 of 59
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OP...Scratch what i have been saying. After further research I can confidently say to go with the Nordica. I myself just picked up a pair of 193 Patron's (same as unleashed). Before i buy anything i read as many gear reviews as i can find. literally 2 hours of research. This is a reall GREAT ski.

 

What suprised me, I had no idea it fits in with the 5 dimensional skis like bent chetler, bibby pro, JJ, and others. I heard it skis like a allmountain powder lovechild.

 

No worries, no worries, no worries.  There are plenty of pairs of S7's, Rocker 2's, and Unleased Hells still out there.  Don't need to decide which one for another week or two.  Consequently, I've been having fun doing my own research.

 

SierraJim's $299 deal on the Unleased Hell skis is what prompted me to start this thread.  The best write up anywhere on the Unleased Hell appears to be Jim's review last April.

http://www.epicski.com/t/112041/nordica-helldorado-patron-unleashed-hell-vs-rossi-s7-long-term-tests

While Jim's assessments of skis generally alligns closely with my own experiences demoing, it would be nice to see a few more quality reviews on the Nordica skis.

 

I would feel comfortable buying the S7's as I have skied the S3's and had a good experience with those skis (in fresh powder - not crud).  A lot of people on this forum that like the S7's - it has a really good following.  However, the price on the Unleased Hell's is tempting and its always good to do business with active members of this forum.

post #41 of 59

I have had the good fortune to have demoed and owned a lot of different fat skis and I have skied a bit at Hood, Baker, Stevens Pass, and Bachelor.  Of the three choices under consideration as a dedicated PNW powder ski at your build and ski level I would without question get the S7 (better yet the Super 7) but I would regret not spending the extra money to buy an Atomic Automatic, Bent Chetler, or a Line Influence 115 (2013).

 

If you haven't already, check out Blistergear.com for more compelling internetz knowledge.  Don't miss out on the commentary at the bottom of each review.  Kind of feel the same way they do about your Nordica option.

 

http://blistergearreview.com/index-ski-reviews

post #42 of 59

Hey Dave86,

As a Crystal Mt skier and a yearly snow cat trip guy.  Also old, but hanging in there in the CM backcountry. I just bought a 185 Patron from SJ . I did the demo thing at Alpental last March and skied the S7 the Super7 and the Patron. In short, S7 , not enough backbone, the Super7, Rossi Damp, Patron had it all. Just fun in Crud [Not a powder day] and enough to keep me interested getting back to the lift. I almost bought them on the spot. When SJ's Nordica sale came up I jumped all over it. Some guy named Mike even did the deal and shipped them the same day. Im replacing a Prior Overloard 183, 114 waist, which is a true PNW heavy POW wind blown, ski. The Patron just has it in the fun factor.

post #43 of 59
Thread Starter 

rug wheelie & quickfoot -

 

Thanks for taking time to share your opinions. I will study them more when I get a chance. 

 

Been busy today trying to sell my house and it has been a crazy day.  Adding to the fun 2 teenagers attacked my house at 1:30am with a paint ball gun, and I successfully hunted them down at 2:00am.  Sell the house and I should be skiing Crystal quite a bit this winter.

Dave

post #44 of 59

If I'm after a good deal, how much should I spend for s7?

 

And what did you do with the paintballers once you caught them? Nice work!    

post #45 of 59
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What were they thinking putting this crap on there Freeski line. There great skis tho.

 

As an old guy, not a fan of fancy elaborate screaming graphics on skis.   But then again that's no problem after pulling out a can of white spray paint.  

post #46 of 59
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im starting to like it...i bought a pair

post #47 of 59

The LaNiña is the one on the far right in the picture.  Once you ski it, you won't care what it looks like.......just saying. 

post #48 of 59
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The LaNiña is the one on the far right in the picture.  Once you ski it, you won't care what it looks like.......just saying. 

i heard the same about the Patron...thats why i picked up a pair. 193s are gunna rip! and for 299, OH EM JEE

post #49 of 59
Thread Starter 

Thanks all for taking time to reply.  Obviously this is not an easy decision, but after taking my time to think about it, I pulled the trigger on a pair of 185cm Unleashed Hell from Start Haus for $299.  May not be a perfect decision, but they will be a pair of skis that I will definitely enjoy and have fun on for years to come.

 

Looking forward to my new skis.  Thanks again.

 

Dave

post #50 of 59

Hi Dave, any days on the UHs yet? Its on my list of many... thnks

agreen

post #51 of 59

Hoping I can revive this thread as I'm in a similar situation.  Live on the east coast and have an arsenal of 100mm and below skis.  Looking to add something to my quiver that is more dedicated to powder for my trips out west, but somewhat versatile that I can ski it on the rare occasion we get 12"+ out here on the east coast.

 

I've narrowed it down to:

 

Nordica Patron

Rossignol S7

Salomon Rocker 2 115

 

I'm 6'2", 190lbs, advanced to expert skier.  I'm looking for something that will get good float, but also something I can take into the trees both out west and here in the east (tighter turns).  As I mentioned I have some great 98mm all-mountain skis, so looking for something that is 85% powder/15% other conditions.  

 

Any recommendations on ski model and length?

 

Thanks!

post #52 of 59

To save a bunch of typing, here is reasonably comprehensive review of the Patron/Unleashed vs the S7.............................

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/112041/nordica-helldorado-patron-unleashed-hell-vs-rossi-s7-long-term-tests

 

 

SJ

post #53 of 59
Missed that, thanks Jim, awesome review. Think I am going to go 185cm Patron. Seems like I could get some use on them out east, more so than the S7's.
post #54 of 59

The more time I get on them, the more I love the Salomon Rocker2 115's.  They are shockingly quick in the trees for a ski that's 188cm long and seem to have found that perfect balance between playful and hard charging.  You can pretty much do whatever you want on them.  I'd recommend demoing them as well.

post #55 of 59
To update, I went with the 185cm Nordica Patrons. I've only skied them a couple times in the East, but man are they a ton of fun. On wide open powder runs at Sunday River (16" new, light snow) they were amazing! Float was even better than I expected, was like surfing. In the trees where it was a bit skied off they were easy to handle and turned without issues. Had a bit of a problem initiating quick turns when it got super tight but that was to be expected. They handled exceptionally well for a 113mm ski on groomers, easy to make wide, long turns and didn't have a problem getting it on edge when needed. Love the Patron, just hoping it continues to dump into March so I can get some more time on them.
post #56 of 59
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To update, I went with the 185cm Nordica Patrons. I've only skied them a couple times in the East, but man are they a ton of fun. On wide open powder runs at Sunday River (16" new, light snow) they were amazing! Float was even better than I expected, was like surfing. In the trees where it was a bit skied off they were easy to handle and turned without issues. Had a bit of a problem initiating quick turns when it got super tight but that was to be expected. They handled exceptionally well for a 113mm ski on groomers, easy to make wide, long turns and didn't have a problem getting it on edge when needed. Love the Patron, just hoping it continues to dump into March so I can get some more time on them.

The patrons are an amazing ski. I bet the 185 never feels too short either. I own the 193 and it doesnt feel too long. There is something about it, that no matter 185 o 193, its still perfect.
post #57 of 59

The 185 is a bit light for larger folks, but that's what the Helldorado's for.

post #58 of 59

I picked up a pair of demo Unleashed Hells with a couple days on them from a local shop for crazy cheap. I am anxious to see how they stack up against the DPS 112's. The DPS has substantially more tip splay so I am curious if the Unleashed will be a better variable/pushed tracked out ski and leftover ski than the DPS; However, the DPS wil most likely be a better deep snow ski. 

post #59 of 59

Due to some blatent unfriendly trolling, the off topic posts  have been moved to Apres Ski to the Not So Gnar thread.  Please keep this gear discussion on topic.

 

Thanks.

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